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Jane McCarthy (abt. 1596 - abt. 1680)

Jane McCarthy
Born about in Clodane, Muskerry, Irelandmap [uncertain]
Daughter of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
[spouse(s) unknown]
[children unknown]
Died about at about age 84 in Westmoreland County, Virginiamap
Profile last modified | Created 14 May 2013
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Biography

Research Notes

Please do not connect to the McCarthy Reagh families in Glengarrif without any sources unless you provide evidence that are not family trees.

Jane McCarthy is said to be the daughter of Florence McCarthy of Clodane in only one source:

  • "Florence McCarthy, of Clodane, had a daughter Jane, who married John Marshall, son of Thomas Marshall who came to County Kerry in the expedition of Sir Charles Wilmot, 1602, and married Mary, daughter of Maurice Fitzgerald, of Ballymac Adam Castle, and settled there. John Marshall was driven out by the Irish in the great rebellion of 1641, but returned as captain in Cromwell's army. These were ancestors of the Markham and Pursell families (Burke's Landed Gentry, p. 1340.) Florence McCarthy of the family of Donough (or Daniel) McCarthy, of Drishane, descended of the noble family of Muskerry. Members of this line came to Virginia, as did, also, the Marshalls, Markhams, Pursells and Fitzgerald's."[1]

This source has several errors, not the least of which is that Florence and wife Elana had only four known children: Teige dsp Tower of London, Donal McCarthy, Finnegan McCarty (Florence), Cormac; all sons and no daughter Jane.[2] Another major error is the statement that John Marshall, purportedly Jane's husband, was a Captain in Cromwell's army. All other sources state he was captain in the army of Charles I.

Jane is said to have been born in 1596, too early to be the mother of the only known or suggested children of John Marshall of Westmoreland County, Virginia.

  • Thomas Marshall, 1655-1704
  • John Marshall, 1660-

Since the John Marshall Jane supposedly married lived only in Westmoreland County, Virginia, Jane could not be the mother of other children linked in error to her and to John Marshall (abt.1596-bef.1688), as they were all born in Isle of Wight County, Virginia:

  • Humphrey Marshall
  • John Marshall
  • Robert Marshall

Jane is not the daughter of Finnian (Florence) MacCarthy Reagh (1560-1640) nor the mother of any children linked to her purported husband, John Marshall (abt.1596-bef.1688).

It is my opinion that Jane McCarthy is a fictional creation of Col. James E. Saunders and should be treated as a non-existent person. The wife of John Marshall, son of Thomas Marshall, is unknown. (Shirley Dalton 22:56, 30 April 2023 (UTC))

Sources

  1. Saunders, Col. James Edmonds. Early Settlers of Alabama. Part I. New Orleans: L. Graham & Son, Ltd., Printers, 1899. page 407
  2. Florence MacCarthy




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well im not the one to brag... here but im going to speak my mind on this matter.. cause this however .. i have an issue with i got over almost lot of trees on ancestry that accept Jane McCarthy as John Marshalls Spouce .. Now After further examination.. i do get the confusion on both sides.. with much respect.. However.. that being said.. i did unconvered a vailing issue here. as oppose to some extra research ive unconvered... and this is what i found such as it is.. to start out lets examine 1. titled History of Kentucky Vol. 3 page 585 ...examination 2. Tyler's Quarterly Historical and Genealogical Magazine, Volumes 1-2 edited by Lyon Gardiner Tyler page.207.... Examination 3. The Marshall Family: Or A Genealogical Chart of the Descendants of John ...By William McClung Paxton page. 13 .. Examination 4.. Colonial Families of the Southern States of America: A History and Genealogy ... page 341

Examination 5...... Ancestry Westminster, London, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1558-1812 Within this Documentation it does show.. the same john Marshal everyone is having issue about first doesnt for the most part mentions Neither Nelson nor Newton.. it mentions John Marshall...did if fact married a jane ? (Marshall)..thus fails to mentioned a last name hence the (?).. on that note did mention both John and jane did begot Thomas.. it shows birth and baptism. Thomas Marshall born 15 Mar 1655 Baptized 5 days later As to this John i do in fact conqure with he concept that Captain John Marshall is the same that served as a Captain of the Army under King Charles I of England immigrated according the first examination in the year 1650 in virginia and died the year 1688 now this concept of this split john marshall issue has been ressolved from this notation about nothing more than a common human error... Nothing More!!! John Marshall is one of the same.. as for Jane ? Marshall i will solve this Ruccus and go straight the source ..instead of arguing amongst each other and bickering in estatic form.. maybe we all should go straight to the source.... now i will continue to conduct a thourough investigation on this matter.. and since we are not seeing eye to eye on nothing must i do it myself .. Just note that im the type that says i told you so. Now im risking my life getting this information myself.. going straight to all sources.. apparentlly yall can find common ground.. on this issue and work together.. on the matter i will do it myself.. i hate being right .. just so you know.. i hate it.. i will conduct this investigation myself in person straight to the source.. to the very heart of the matter.. it will be enternal investigation.. now.. i agree with the last 2 previous posts.. john marshal is the same john marhsal.. as the next.. this i have confirmed maybe with this new information can shed light on this confusion...now if yall excuse me i have work to do...

posted by Kevin Hallowell
Source references to Find A Grave have been deleted. The Memorial has been removed from FindAGrave website by another individual. Memorial for her husband, John Marshall, has also been removed.
The daughter Rose (Marshall) Degge (1623-1722) should be disconnected, as she was the daughter of a different John Marshall (abt.1590-1650) of Wisbech, Cambridgeshire, England, and his wife Alice (baptism recorded in the Wisbech parish register 13 November 1629; named in John Marshall's will in Wisbech in 1650). There is no daughter Rose mentioned in the Biography.
posted by Stephen Heathcote
Since FindAGrave appears to be source for a lot of this info, could someone post a link to the footnoted FindAGrave memorial(s)?

Thanks!

posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
I'm not sure John Sherwood (UNKNOWN) Unknown even belongs with this profile. I can't pick up on anything for him.
Thanks Lynden. Given the dates (m 1630 but died 1660 - 20 years after she married John Marshall), he needs to be detached/set adrift or merged away into John Marshall's profile. I'll post a comment on his (UNKNOWN-250267) profile.
posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
could someone take a look at the profiles attached as husband(s?) - looks like 3 out of 4 are intended to represent the same person... maybe 2 out of 4 & the third John Marshall is a different one? (Westmoreland County and Isle of Wight County are nowhere near each other.)
  • Wife of John Nelson Marshall-20248 — married [date unknown] [location unknown]
  • Wife of John Newton Marshall-4212 — married about 1623 [location unknown]
  • Wife of John Sherwood (UNKNOWN-250267) Unknown — married 1630 in Westmoreland, Virginia, Colonial America
  • Wife of John Marshall-1210 II — married 1640 in Isle of Wight, Virginia

Thanks!

edit - on closer look, seems all four are intended to represent the same person (I also added links)

posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
edited by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
Martha Jane McCarthy was the wife of John Newton Marshall. Mother of Robert, Humphrey, John, and Thomas. Born 1596 in Clodane, England and died in 1680 in Westmoreland, Virginia.
Thanks Maude. The problem is there are multiple profiles attached as her husband and, looking closer, it seems that all four are intended to represent the same person. Reliable sources for info about her husband are needed so they can be merged.
posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
I thought we had a G2G post going about this, but apparently not. Here's what I posted in the wrong G2G discussion:

found a John Marshall, immigrant to Virginia c1626.

His profile is obviously not another duplicate profile for Martha's husband, but the info on his profile might help sort out the profiles currently attached.

John Marshall (1603-1685)

posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
Due to the controversies that have existed about this profile, it seems to warrant project co-management and protection. Could one of the profile managers please add wikitreesoutherncolonies @ googlegroups . com (without the spaces) as a co-manager? Then I'll ask a project leader to add PPP. Many thanks.
posted by Jillaine Smith
I see that the box was changed to a sticker, but this profile has much controversy about it, so really needs project protection (which requires box and project account added). I've converted the sticker back to a project box, and will ask a project Leader to add the project account and PPP.
posted by Jillaine Smith
done. Thanks Jillaine!

Cheers, Liz

posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
Please do not connect to the McCarthy Reagh families in Glengarrif wirhout any sources unless you provide evidence that are not family trees.
posted by Maggie N.
Does anyone have any sources for this person? All the links go around in circles, and none of them are supported by "The MacCarthys of Munster" - https://archive.org/details/maccarthysofmuns01mcca/page/n5

As for her half brother "Thomas Butler, 10th Earl of Ormond" he was born 31 years before her father.

I suggest we remove all the Irish connections and just leave the information relating to Virginia.

posted by John Falvey
McCarthy-1107 and McCarthy-928 appear to represent the same person because: Duplicates- please merge
McCarthy-1100 and McCarthy-928 appear to represent the same person because: Same spouse, child, birth info is close
They are now set as unmerged match
posted by Bea (Timmerman) Wijma
McCarthy-1100 and McCarthy-928 are not ready to be merged because: The birthdays are 24 years apart and the sons birthday also is different. While the names are the same the dates are much more important. The dates effect the entire family tree.
posted by Ed Rogers
McCarthy-1100 and McCarthy-928 appear to represent the same person because: Hello! These two profile are for the same person. The difference in given names (Mary Jane and Jane) would be a possible indicator the person preferred the name Jane over Martha. Everything else is a strong match.
McCarthy-1374 and McCarthy-1100 appear to represent the same person because: Hello! These two profiles appear to be for the same person. Also, Clodane is in ireland. Please merge.

Rejected matches › Maragret (Bayne) Marshall (1614-)