You are welcome, B. F. Regarding the name retention: It is a matter of staying true to the Family History put together by folks who knew things about folks. I would rather keep it the way it was put down in that book, so that it is easier to find the person. I do not know about rules and conventions, even laws; so I trust the nearer relatives and their judgements on those matters. Forgive my ignorance of Norwegian custom in these regards. Many people have edited profiles with regard to dtr and dotter and datter etc. I simply copied from a family history that reached final print in 1984. I'd rather it stay as true to the book as possible, rather than please the eyes of others. That is a bit selfish, however, as a historian, I find keeping true to texts makes research easier, especially when that is the only text you have. Correcting text, tends to muddy the waters.
I do thank you for your lesson on how naming evolved. My ancestors didn't take the place name until they came to the USA. Hans Christensen became Hans Tvedt and his brother Johannes Christensen became John Tweet -- America changed many spellings. Hans is quoted as saying that he changed his name because "there were too many Sons of Norway here already." I appreciate that, I detect a bit of that in your message.
Again, Thank you,
Patrick
I see you chose the patronym as last name at birth, and I disagree with this. While the name law of 1923 included some new official rules and standards for last names in Norway, it was common practice many decades before this to use the farm name as the official last name, even in the rural areas. This can be confirmed when looking up graveyards from this period of time (it's very hard to find gravestones with names ending with "-datter"), and also in obituaries published in newspapers where a woman could be mentioned with her current name and "født Haug", meaning Haug was her last name at birth (and not Pedersdatter). I believe this common misunderstanding is derived from the practice from churchbooks, where the patronym were written long after people stopped using them.
You are welcome, B. F. Regarding the name retention: It is a matter of staying true to the Family History put together by folks who knew things about folks. I would rather keep it the way it was put down in that book, so that it is easier to find the person. I do not know about rules and conventions, even laws; so I trust the nearer relatives and their judgements on those matters. Forgive my ignorance of Norwegian custom in these regards. Many people have edited profiles with regard to dtr and dotter and datter etc. I simply copied from a family history that reached final print in 1984. I'd rather it stay as true to the book as possible, rather than please the eyes of others. That is a bit selfish, however, as a historian, I find keeping true to texts makes research easier, especially when that is the only text you have. Correcting text, tends to muddy the waters.
I do thank you for your lesson on how naming evolved. My ancestors didn't take the place name until they came to the USA. Hans Christensen became Hans Tvedt and his brother Johannes Christensen became John Tweet -- America changed many spellings. Hans is quoted as saying that he changed his name because "there were too many Sons of Norway here already." I appreciate that, I detect a bit of that in your message.
Again, Thank you,
Patrick
Hello Patrick. I'm new to wikitree and hope I won't sound too dumb or too demanding!
I'm a Copen and I'm looking for sources to verify the connection between John Copen and Zacheus Copen, and the sources linking Zacheus Copen to William Copen. We are going way back here... John was born in 1791, Zacheus in 1760, and William in 1729.
My ultimate goal is find out when the Copens came to North America, and where they came from.
Any help you can give me will be greatly appreciated.
Hi, Patrick, this is a stab in the dark, but I have some Torkelson (Brua) family members that may be Thorkildsen originally, would you like to work on them. I'm out of my workable comfort zone on these.
there is a birth record to look at, at the bottom of his son, Lar's record, that might connect him to your other records, if they are in the same area. I believe, Iowa and Minnesota.
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My name is Patrick McCormick. I have been working on my family tree for many years. I just found this WikiTree site while researching. I find that I agree with the mission and the simple rules here.Looking forward to collaboration.
I do thank you for your lesson on how naming evolved. My ancestors didn't take the place name until they came to the USA. Hans Christensen became Hans Tvedt and his brother Johannes Christensen became John Tweet -- America changed many spellings. Hans is quoted as saying that he changed his name because "there were too many Sons of Norway here already." I appreciate that, I detect a bit of that in your message. Again, Thank you, Patrick
I see you chose the patronym as last name at birth, and I disagree with this. While the name law of 1923 included some new official rules and standards for last names in Norway, it was common practice many decades before this to use the farm name as the official last name, even in the rural areas. This can be confirmed when looking up graveyards from this period of time (it's very hard to find gravestones with names ending with "-datter"), and also in obituaries published in newspapers where a woman could be mentioned with her current name and "født Haug", meaning Haug was her last name at birth (and not Pedersdatter). I believe this common misunderstanding is derived from the practice from churchbooks, where the patronym were written long after people stopped using them.
I do thank you for your lesson on how naming evolved. My ancestors didn't take the place name until they came to the USA. Hans Christensen became Hans Tvedt and his brother Johannes Christensen became John Tweet -- America changed many spellings. Hans is quoted as saying that he changed his name because "there were too many Sons of Norway here already." I appreciate that, I detect a bit of that in your message. Again, Thank you, Patrick
I'm a Copen and I'm looking for sources to verify the connection between John Copen and Zacheus Copen, and the sources linking Zacheus Copen to William Copen. We are going way back here... John was born in 1791, Zacheus in 1760, and William in 1729.
My ultimate goal is find out when the Copens came to North America, and where they came from.
Any help you can give me will be greatly appreciated.
http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Brua-84
there is a birth record to look at, at the bottom of his son, Lar's record, that might connect him to your other records, if they are in the same area. I believe, Iowa and Minnesota.
Thanks!
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Just checking in with a few quick tips: Free Space pages are wiki pages for supplementing your family history. They can be used to profile anything of significance such as a special pet, a meaningful event, a school you attended, a family heirloom .... They're "anything pages".
Not sure what to include in a profile? Check out our Biography Ideas and Styles and Standards help pages.
Lastly, sometimes you'll run into unresponsive or inactive profile managers. We have a process for resolving those situations. If you have any questions, let me know. Nae
How are you finding your experience on WikiTree? Hope you're enjoying our site for your genealogy. Do you have any questions about growing your family tree here ? You can always ask me or one of the greeters or at G2G .We also have our Help Index with links to topics you may have questions on. Maggie
I just wanted to take a second to welcome you to the WikiTree family and thank you for volunteering! You're now a confirmed member. There are many great people and resources available here to help you.
If you already have or you are planning to upload a GEDCOM, you might want to check out our GEDCOM FAQ.
Keep in mind that our primary vision is to build a collaborative tree with just one profile per person, so please make sure to look for duplicates on WikiTree before adding a profile.
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