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John (Stewart) de Menteith (abt. 1265 - aft. 1323)

Sir John de Menteith formerly Stewart
Born about in Kerse, Renfrewshire, Scotlandmap
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Died after after about age 58 in Perthshire, Scotlandmap
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Family and Early Allegiances

John de Menteith was the second son of Walter Stewart and Mary, Countess of Monteith, the younger daughter of Maurice, earl of Menteith.[1][2] The exact date of his birth is unknown, but since he had to have been of age in 1286 when he was a party in an agreement with Robert Bruce,[3] it could have been no later than 1265. Both John and his elder brother Alexander Menteith, who succeeded to the title, were initially staunch defenders of the Scottish state, and both were taken prisoner after the Scottish defeat at Dunbar. John was sent as a prisoner to Nottingham Castle where he was forced to remain for over a year[4] until eventually obtaining his release, along with the release of a number of his fellow prisoners, by promising to serve Edward I in his campaign against the French in 1297.[5] As a result of his valuable service in France, John Menteith was knighted and the lands which Edward I had confiscated after Dunbar were restored to him.[6]

When Sir John Menteith returned to Scotland in 1298, it was as a loyal follower of the English king and a supporter of Baliol's claim to the throne of Scotland. This was perhaps not surprising, as both his mother's elder sister and his own cousin had both married Comyns, and that family was clearly in the Baliol camp.[1] Edward I's complete confidence in him was demonstrated by the appointment of his "sworn-man, John of Menteith" as the keeper of the very strategically located castle of Dumbarton, it's village, and the sheriffdom of that county,[7] a position held until that time by the earls of Lennox.

Capture of William Wallace

Sir William Wallace was captured 3 August 1305 within the sheriffdom of Dumbarton, supposedly near Glasgow, by John Menteith (following a tip from one of Menteith's servants, whose brother had been slain by Wallace).[8][9] Wallace, at that time considered a fugitive rather than a combatant, was turned over to Edward I and his brutal murder at the hands of the English has caused generations of historians to label Menteith a "traitor of the deepest dye" and declare his reputation tarnished forever.[10] However, when Wallace was captured in 1305, Sir John Menteith had been in King Edward's service for several years. Not handing him over would have been a violation of the trust placed in him as Sheriff of Dumbarton. G.W.S. Barrow noted that it also would have meant "publicly defying his acknowledged king and lord at a time when in Scotland itself not a single other Scotsman of note was resisting the king of England."[11] Sir John Menteith's role as a trusted warrior and advisor in the subsequent war for Scottish indepence indicates that his contemporaries, at least, did not view him as a traitor.

Supporter of Scottish Independence

The following year (1306) Robert Bruce was crowned at Scone, and before March 1309 he had won over to his side James the Stewart; James's nephew Alexander Stewart of Bunkle (Berwickshire); Thomas Randolph (the younger); and John Menteith.[12] Far from having any stigma of treachery attached to him, Menteith became one of a small group of men trusted implicitly by Bruce, who were not related to him.[13] Menteith witnessed forty-six of King Robert's charters, his name always appearing second directly after Walter Stewart until 1318, when he changed places with James Douglas. [6] He was an envoy in the peace negotiations in 1310,[14] was placed in charge of the earldom of Menteith during the minority of his nephew Alan,[6] and in 1320 signed the famous Declaration of Arbroath as 'guardian of the earldom of Menteith.'[14][15] He also helped to negotiate the thirteen year truce of 1323, and his signature on that document was third among all the barons (after the Stewart and Sir James Douglas).[14][16]

Sir John Menteith's position as a lord of the Firth of Clyde region was made even stronger when in 1323 Robert Bruce granted him Glen Breackerie in Kintyre and other lands in 'Aulesai' (possibly Ailsa in Ayrshire).[17]

Marriage and Children

The name of Sir John Menteith's wife is unknown,[1] but there were at least three children from their marriage:

Death

The exact date of John Menteith's death is unknown. William Fraser believes it was not long after 1323, citing among the missing charters of King Robert I a confirmation to Joanna, Countess of Strarthearn, 'daughter of the deceased Sir John Menteith.'[18]

Sources

  1. 1.0 1.1 1.2 1.3 1.4 1.5 Paul, James Balfour. The Scots Peerage. Edinburgh: David Douglas (1904), vol. 6, pp. 127-132 available online.
  2. 2.0 2.1 2.2 2.3 MacGregor, Gordon. The Red Book of Scotland. Scotland: by the author (2016), rev. 2020, vol. 6, pp. 695-697.
  3. Fraser, William. The Red Book of Menteith. Edinburgh: privately printed (1880), vol. 1, p. 460 available online.
  4. List of Prisoners Taken at Dunbar. PoMS Doc. 5/3/0; CDS, ii, no. 742 (16 May 1296) available here.
  5. Scottish Prisoners Released (after Dunbar). PoMS Doc. 5/1/0; Rot. Scot. i, 44b(2), (9 Aug 1297) available here.
  6. 6.0 6.1 6.2 Oxford Dictionay of National Biography Online. Entry for Menteith, Sir John (d. 1323?) by Fiona Watson. Published 23 Sep 2004 available here by subscription.
  7. Appointment of John of Menteith as keeper of Dumbarton. PoMS Doc. 1/27/0; Stevenson, Docs, ii, no. 635 (20 Mar 1304), available here.
  8. Barrow, G.W.S. Robert Bruce and the Community of the Realm of Scotland. Edinburgh: Edinburgh University Press (1965), p. 178.
  9. Dictionary of National Biography Online. Entry for Menteith, John de (by Thomas Frederick Tout) available here.
  10. Fraser, William. The Red Book of Menteith. Edinburgh: privately printed (1880), vol. 1, pp. 433-435 available online.
  11. Barrow, G.W.S. Robert Bruce and the Community of the Realm of Scotland. Edinburgh: Edinburgh University Press (1965), p. 371.
  12. Barrow, G.W.S. Robert Bruce and the Community of the Realm of Scotland. Edinburgh: Edinburgh University Press (1965), p. 236.
  13. Barrow, G.W.S. Robert Bruce and the Community of the Realm of Scotland. Edinburgh: Edinburgh University Press (1965), p. 369.
  14. 14.0 14.1 14.2 Barrow, G.W.S. Robert Bruce and the Community of the Realm of Scotland. Edinburgh: Edinburgh University Press (1965), p. 372.
  15. Brown, K.M. et al (eds.). Arbroath: record of assembly. Records of the Parliament of Scotland to 1707. available here.
  16. Truce Between Kings of Scotland and England from 12 June 1323. PoMS Doc. 1/53/260; RRS, v, no 232 available here.
  17. Gift of Glen Breackerie and Ailsa in Kintyre. PoMS Doc. 1/53/267; RRS, v, no. 239 (1 Aug 1323) Scone, available here.
  18. Fraser, William. The Red Book of Menteith. Edinburgh: privately printed (1880), vol. 1, p. 454 available online.

See also:

  • Correspondence to Edward I from John MacSween. PoMS Doc. 3/381/0; Stevenson, Docs, ii, no. 616 (aft. 27 Sep 1301) available here.
  • Hutchison, A.F. The Lake of Menteith: its islands and vicinity with historical accounts of the Priory of Inchmahome and the earldom of Menteith. Stirliing: Eneas MaKay (1899), pp. 18-19 available online.
  • Paul, James Balfour. The Scots Peerage. Edinburgh: David Douglas (1904), vol. 1, p. 12 available online.




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"his contemporaries, at least, did not view him as a traitor."

Some did. He was given the nickname "Fause Menteith" or False Menteith by some of his contemporaries. Menteith certainly was no worse than most of his noble peers. They played the game for power and wealth, switching allegiances to what was most profitable at the time. William Wallace didn't play that game well, and he was too unbending in his convictions.

Just another perspective.

posted by J Decker
I have verified the ancestors/descendants of John Stewart of Menteith and updated their profiles on behalf of the Scotland Project. If any typos are located within any of these biographies, please correct. If pedigree errors are found, please comment and add sources that corroborate your corrections or recommendation/s for change. Thanks!
posted by Pamela Lohbeck
I will be verifying the ancestors and descendants of John Stewart Menteith on behalf of the Scotland Project's Arbroath team. If anyone has additional information or sources for these profiles, please message me or post here. Thanks
posted by Pamela Lohbeck
I have finished updating this profile. If anyone spots a typo please correct, or message me. Thanks!

Jen

posted by Jen (Stevens) Hutton
I am going to be updating this profile on behalf of the Scotland Project's Arbroath team. If anyone knows of additional information or sources that should be included, please message me directly or post here. Thanks,

Jen

posted by Jen (Stevens) Hutton
Looks like something it is wrong here, I beleive that John de Menteith "the Younger" (born circa 1300, son of John) is who married Ellen Mar.
posted by Jorge Gubbins
He is a signatory of the Declaration of Arbroath, ie wikitree
How did he cease to be called Stewart and begin to be called Menteith?
posted by Dianne Hood
Linking signatories of the Declaration of Arbroath with the Project.
posted by Maria Maxwell
The mother of Joan and Christian (Ellen Mar) is not listed as a wife for Sir John.
posted by Steve Selbrede
Stewart-13721 and Menteith-106 appear to represent the same person because: http://www.thepeerage.com/p10787.htm#i107869 John Stewart is the Earl Menteith, born before 1296, death date unknown to me, same father, name changed to Menteith, check the source
Menteith-106 and Stewart-13721 do not represent the same person because: These two do not appear to match. Please correct the profile info and resubmit.
posted by Jonathon Myers
Stuart-1229 and Menteith-5 appear to represent the same person because: John Stewart took the last name of Menteith.
posted by Sue (Howard) Ison