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Adeliza (Meschines) de Condet

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Adeliza "Adelaide, Alice" de Condet formerly Meschines aka de Clare
Born in Gernon Castle, Normandy, Francemap
Wife of — married [date unknown] [location unknown]
Wife of — married [location unknown]
Died after in Abergavenny, Monmouthshire, Walesmap
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Biography

Alice (Adeliza) de Meschines, of Chester b: -after 1139) Daughter of Ranulph II de Briquessart "le Meschin" de Bayeux, count of Chester, and Lucy Thoroldsdottir, Countess of Chester:

Wife of Richard (Clare) de Clare * — married before 1116 [location unknown] Wife of Robert (Condet) de Condet — married April 1136

m [firstly] RICHARD FitzGilbert de Clare, son of GILBERT FitzRichard Lord of Clare and his wife Adelais de Roucy (-killed in battle near Abergavenny 15 Apr 1136, bur Gloucester).

m secondly ROGER de Condé [Cundet], d -10 Oct [1139/45]

Richard deClare and his wife Alice had ten children:

1. GILBERT (-[1152/53], bur Clare Priory). Guillaume de Jumièges names (in order) "Gilbert et ses frères" as the three sons of Richard & his wife. He was created Earl of Hertford in [1138]. The Annals of Tewkesbury record that “comes de Clare” died in 1153[620]. Robert of Torigny records the death in 1153 of "Gislebertus filius Ricardi" and his burial "apud Claram".

2. ROGER (-1173). Robert of Torigny records that "Rogerius frater eius" succeeded on the death in 1153 of "Gislebertus filius Ricardi". He succeeded his brother in 1153 as Earl of Hertford.

3. GODFREY de Clare (-young, bur Stoke-by-Clare Priory.

4. ADELISA de Tonbridge (-before 1166). “Mathildis de Percy comitissa de Warwic, filia Willielmi de Perci” donated property to Sawley abbey, for the souls of “…patris mei Willielmi de Percy et Adalidis de Tunbrige matris meæ…”, by undated charter. The reference to Tonbridge suggests that she may have been a member of the Clare family. If this is correct, the chronology suggests that she would have been the daughter of Richard FitzGilbert. “Willielmus de Percy” donated property to Sawley abbey, with the consent of “Adelidæ uxoris meæ et Alani hæredis mei”, by undated charter, witnessed by “…Roberto de Percy…”. m as his first wife, WILLIAM de Percy, son of ALAN de Percy and his wife Emma de Gant [1174/75]). 5. RICHARD (-1190). m as her first husband, ALINE Lady of Sampford, daughter and heiress of GEOFFREY FitzBaldwin & his wife Alice ---. She married secondly Hugh de Clohale.

6. ROHESE de Clare A manuscript genealogy of the Gant family records that “Gilbertus”, son of “Walterus”, married “Roesiam comitissam Lincolniæ”, adding that she married secondly "Roberto dapifero" by whom she was mother of "Roesia de Bulington nupta Simoni de Kyma"[627]. m firstly GILBERT de Gand Earl of Lincoln, son of WALTER de Gand & his wife Matilda de Penthièvre [Bretagne] (Bridlington [1120]-1156, bur [Bridlington Priory]). m secondly ([1157/63][628]) ROBERT FitzRobert, son of ROBERT FitzFulk and his wife ---. Dapifer of William de Percy.

7. AGNES de Clare . Her parentage and marriage are confirmed by the charter dated to [1184/85] under which “Aliz de Gant comitissa filia Gilberti de Gant” confirmed land held by his ancestors in Barton (upon-Humber) to “Roberto Scrop de Barton, filio Ricardi Scrop et filio Agnetis matertere mee”. m RICHARD Scrope of Barton, Lincolnshire, son of --- (-before 1166).

8. ALICE de Clare . m CADWALADR ap Gruffydd of Gwynedd, son of GRUFFYDD ap Cynan King of Gwynedd and his wife Angharad of Deheubarth (-Mar 1172).

9. LUCY de Clare (-after 1155). Domesday Descendants cites a charter under which “Lucy” donated property to Stoke-by-Clare priory for the souls of her husband Earl Baldwin and Earl Gilbert, endorsed “Carta de comitissa de Clara”, suggesting her marriage and parentage as shown here. m as his second wife, BALDWIN de Reviers Earl of Devon, son of RICHARD Seigneur de Reviers and his wife Adelise Peverel (-4 Jun 1155, bur Quarr Abbey).

Robert de CONDET m: 1137

children:

i) Roger de CONDET was born 1138 and died 1201. ii) Robert de CONDET was born 1139 in South Carlton, Lincolnshire. iii) Isabel de CONDET was born 1141.

Guillaume de Jumièges records that Richard [FitzGilbert de Clare] married "la sœur de Ranulfe le jeune comte de Chester". The History of Gloucester St Peter records the confirmation by "Ranulphus comes Cestriæ" of the donation of "molendinum de Taddewelle" by "Alicia soror eius" for the soul of "Ricardi filii Gilberti viri sui". “Rics filius Gilebi” donated lands in Hawkedon, Suffolk to the abbey of St Edmunds, with the consent of “Rogs…filius me…et coiux mea Xpiana”, by undated charter.

This charter is attributed to Richard FitzGilbert in Collectanea Topographica et Genealogica and dated to 1154, which must be incorrect in view of Richard´s recorded death in 1136. The reference to his wife´s name as Christiana cannot be explained. It does not appear that Richard married twice, assuming that the sources quoted here are accurate. The extract from the History of Gloucester St Peter suggests that his wife “Alice of Chester” survived her husband, while the St Edmunds charter shows that “Christiana” was alive after Richard´s son Roger was old enough to consent to the donation.

She was rescued from the Welsh by Miles of Gloucester. A charter of Henry Duke of Normandy dated [1153/early Apr 1154] relates to donations to Gloucester by "Ranulphi comitis Cestrie…[et] Alis sororis eiusdem comitis" for the soul of "Ricardi filii Gilberti viri sui"". It is not clear from the document how long before the date of the charter these donations were made.

She brought lands in Northampton and Lincoln as her marriage portion.

She was captured at Abergavenny by the Welsh when her husband was slain, 15 Apr 1136; rescued by Miles of Gloucester.

She made gifts to the monks of St. Peters, Gloucester for the soul of her husband: "... confirmation by Henry II ("Henricus rex Angliae et dux Normanniae et Aquitanniae et comes Andegaviae...") of the prior charter, having to do with the gift of the mill at Olney and that at 'Taddeswell'. This confirmation reads in part, "Praecipio quod sine dilatione et juste faciatis habere abbati et monachis de Gloucestria' quos comes Ranulfus eis dedit in molendinis de Olneyo et de Taddeswelle, sicut carta testatur."


Sources

  • Cokayne, George Edward, The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, Extant, Extinct, or Dormant (London: St. Catherine Press, 1910.), 3:243, 7:672
  • Sanders, Ivor John, English Baronies: A Study of Their Origin and Descent, 1086-1327 (Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1960.), p. 35 note 1
  • Nichols, John Gough (Editor), "The Earldom of Lincoln," The Topographer and Genealogist, Vol. 1 (1846) (London: Society of Antiquaries, 1846-1858.), p. 17
  • Weis, Frederick Lewis, The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215 (5th ed., Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., 1999.), pp. 153-2, Los Angeles Public Library, 929.273 W426 1999.
  • Gen-Medieval archives - 22 Oct 2004 posting of Therav3@aol.com re: Descent from Richard III of Normandy to Jane Lowe (Grey of Sandiacre)

Acknowledgements

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On March 29, 2014 Darlene Athey Hill wrote:

Guernon-2 and Meschines-5 appear to represent the same person because: this is the same person & should be merged; thanks.




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