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Andrew Messenger (bef. 1618 - bef. 1681)

Andrew Messenger
Born before in Englandmap [uncertain]
Son of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
Husband of — married 1641 in Jamaica, Long Island, New Yorkmap
Descendants descendants
Died before at about age 63 in Jamaica, Long Island, New Yorkmap [uncertain]
Profile last modified | Created 7 Jan 2013
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The Puritan Great Migration.
Andrew Messenger migrated to New England during the Puritan Great Migration (1621-1640). (See The Directory, by R. C. Anderson, p. 226)
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Biography

Puritan Great Migration
Andrew Messenger immigrated to New England between 1621 and 1640 and later departed for Jamaica, Long Island, New York

Andrew Messenger was born in England by 1618. He would have been at least 21 when he signed the New Haven Fundamental Agreement.[1]

He died probably at Jamaica, Long Island, New York before 12 April 1681, at which time his widow owned land.[2]

Andrew was married perhaps about 1641 to Rachel ______.[3] 12 April 1681, Widdow Messenger had 5 acres of meadow with privilege, a small lot of meadow, and 36 acres upland.[2] She died at Jamaica after 1688, when Widow Messenger reported that no marriages, christenings, or burials had occurred in her family in the last seven years. [4]

Immigration

Because Andrew was in New Haven by 4 June 1639, it has been speculated that he arrived, with the company of Theophilus Eaton and John Davenport, who came to New England aboard the Hector and her sister ship, landed in Boston 26 June 1637 and then relocated to the harbor at Quinnepiac (New Haven) the following year. However, this cannot be proved with existing documents.

New Haven Colony

This profile is part of the New Haven Colony One Place Study.
Andrew signed the New Haven Fundamental Agreement 4 June 1639, laying out the basic principles to be followed by inhabitants of New Haven Colony.[1] There are no other records of Andrew in New Haven.

Boston ?

Supposedly Andrew had a lot in Boston, because of the undated (but about 1640) entry in the Book of Possessions: “[James Brown, Book, p. 41, has a half acre in the new field, with Mr. Wilson's garden north-east, A. Messenger north-west, the Common south. — W.H.W.]” [5]

Greenwich, Connecticut

18 July 1640 Andrew Messenger and Robert Heusted witnessed a deed from the Indians to Robert Feake and Daniel Patrick for land in Greenwich, Connecticut. Andrew is listed with the first settlers who commenced to build houses and clear land etc.[6]
A bill of sale was given to Robert Husted 5 Oct 1648 from Andrew Messenger.[6]
22 Oct 1641 at Fort Amsterdam Richard Lengh and “Andrew Messinjour” sold 25,000 Pipe stave to Hon. Willem Kieft, the director general of New Netherland, delivered “to the strand” for 80 Carolus guilders per thousand. --- Ullman citing New York Historical Manuscripts: Dutch. Arnold JF Van Laer, transl. and ed. V. 1 pp 39-80 Register of the Provincial secretary 1638-1642 (Baltimore: Gen Pupl Co. 1974.) [7]
In 1642 he and Lengh had dealings and a contract with Jacques Benten for building a house.[8]
23 Mar 1648/9 Andrew, living at Greenwich, wrote a letter to his “much honered Frend” John Winthrop Jr at Pequot, concerning the estate of mr. feaks, whose estate was not being improved for the use of the children.[9]

Hempstead, Long Island, New York

Andrew moved on to Hempstead, Long Island, for on 16 April 1657 , he was on a list of every mans gattes that they have at the necke: “Androwe Mesinger hath sixe gattes.” Gates were right of pasturage etc on common ground. A later list says Andrew Mesingers were now Joseph Scot’s[10]

Jamaica, Long Island, New York

Andrew’s final move was to the town Jamaica. In 1656, he was granted a houselot , planting land, meadow. He and fourteen other residents of Hempstead, having purchased land from the Indians, petitioned for a third time Governor-General Peter Stuyvesant asking for a grant at “Conorasset” that was granted 21 Mar 1656. Late in the year, Nov 1656, he and seventeen men signed a declaration that they owned land in Jamaica, where 1 July 1657 he was on the list for dividing “meadowing” His name is in the town records over the next years, receiving grants of land, as a witness, on “rate” lists. He and "his son" Richard Darling, contracted to build the ministers house.[2]
In 1661, and 1662 he and others were appointed magistrates for Rustdorp (Dutch name for Jamaica.[11]

Children

Children of Andrew and Rachel (Unknown) Messenger, order uncertain.:[3][12]
  • Samuel[12]
  • Abigail b. say 1644; m. (1) Richard Darling of New Haven; they were divorced 7 Jul 1674; m. (2) Zachariah Mills.
  • Mary, b. say 1646; d. in or after 1699; m. 1665/6 Thomas Benedict[13]
  • Sarah b. say 1648; m. (1) c 1668 Ephraim Palmer of Greenwich (d. 1684); m. (2) _____ Gregory
  • Andrew b. say 1651; d. Norwalk Oct 1730; m. (1) Rebecca (Pickett) St. John; m. (2) Rachel Hayes.

Research Notes

The notion that Andrew Messenger of New Haven Colony, Greenwich, Connecticut, Hempstead, Long Island and Jamaica, Long Island had a father Andrew and mother Sarah is now considered to be totally fictitious. His origins are unknown and the possibility that immigrants Edward and Henry Messenger were brothers is not proven by any New England records. [3]
In her 1998 article, "The Three Messengers: Henry, Andrew, and Edward: Clearing the Decks" (NEHGR 152), Helen S. Ullmann does not find an elder Andrew Messenger to have been the father of the three immigrants (Henry, Andrew and Edward). Ullmann refers to the purported father as "this fictional Andrew."[3]
Many indexes and secondary sources[14] claim that Andrew arrived on the Hector or perhaps it's sister ship at Boston in 1637. This may be true, but there are no passenger lists for these ships and only a few passengers are known positively by name. The supposition was made because Messenger was among the signers of the New Haven Fundamental Agreement.
Andrew Messenger is an ancestor of President Millard Fillmore[15]

Sources

  1. 1.0 1.1 Hoadly, Charles J, MA. (editor) Records of the Colony and Plantation of New Haven, From 1638 to 1649. (Hartford: Case, Tiffany and Company, 1857.) p. 18
  2. 2.0 2.1 2.2 Josephine C Frost, and Long Island Historical Society. Records of the Town of Jamaica, Long Island, New York, 1656-1751. Brooklyn, N.Y.: Long Island Historical Society, 1914. [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=nnc2.ark:/13960/t7qn7zz31;view=2up;seq=16 pp 1 houselot 1656; 2 declares owns land 1656; 4 meadow; 4 land 1658; 6 appraised lot; 11 meadow 1661; 14, 15, 16, 17 build ministers house with son Richard Darling 1662; 15 witness to sale by Samuel Andrews 1661; 20 witness 1663; 22 signed a deed 1663; 25 to buy land from Indians 1663; 35 agreement for ministers salary 1665/6; 69 a lot formerly his Jan 1676/7; 91 rate for West Purchase 1658; 97 witness 1663; 106 signed agreeing to give information if Quakers come to town 1661; 170 declares with others as owners of land at Jamaica, purchased from indians 1656; 230 concerning an exchange of land 1683; 119-120 12 Apr 1681 Widdow Messenger had meadow 5 acres with priveledge & a small lot of meadow, upland 36 acres.
  3. 3.0 3.1 3.2 3.3 Helen S. Ullmann, "The Three Messengers: Henry, Andrew, and Edward: Clearing the Decks," New England Historical and Genealogical Register 152. 1998. Page 353-372.
  4. O'Callaghan, E. B. (ed.) Documentary history of the state of New-York. Vol 3. (Albany: Weed, Parsons & Co., Public Printers 1850) ]https://archive.org/details/documentaryhisto00ocal_1/page/122Vol 3:123]
  5. Boston Records, 1634-1660 and The book of possessions. (Second Report of the Record Commissioners) (Boston:Rockwell and Churchill, City Printers, 1881) p. 69 Book of Possesions
  6. 6.0 6.1 Mead, Spencer Percival. Ye historie of ye town of Greenwich, county of Fairfield and state of Connecticut, with genealogical notes . (New York: The Knickerbocker press, 1911) p. 6, 7, 461
  7. [https://www.newnetherlandinstitute.org/research/online-publications/register-of-the-provincial-secretary-volume-1/ Download here original translation pp 379, 380
  8. Ullman: citing New York Historical Manuscripts: Dutch. Arnold JF Van Laer, transl. and ed. V. 4 Council Minutes 1638-1649 176; V. 2 Register of the Provincial Secretary, 1642-47 95. (Baltimore: Gen Pupl Co. 1974.)
  9. Winthrop papers by Winthrop, Adam, 1548-1623; Winthrop, John, 1588-1649. cn; Winthrop, John, 1606-1676. cn; Winthrop, Fitz-John, 1638-1707; Winthrop, Wait Still, 1643-1717; Massachusetts Historical Society. ([Boston] : Massachusetts Historical Society, 1628) pp 323, 324.
  10. Hempstead (N.Y.), Benjamin D. Hicks, and North Hempstead (N.Y. : Town). Records of the Towns of North And South Hempstead, Long Island, New York [1654-1880] Vol. 1. Jamaica, N.Y.: Long Island Farmer Print, 1896. Vol 1. p. 20, p. 116
  11. Ullman citing O’Callaghan, ed., Documents Relative to the Colonial History of the State of New York Vol 14 (Albany: Weed Parsons & Co., 1883) 14: 492, 509
  12. 12.0 12.1 John Hopkins of Cambridge, Massachusetts, 1634 and some of his Descendants. Stanford University Press, 1932. Page 44.
  13. Selleck, Charles Melbourne. Norwalk. Norwalk, CT: The author, 1896. Page 365.
  14. Calder, Isabel MacBeth. Passengers on the Hector, 1637-1638. In The New Haven Colony, New Haven CT: Yale University Press, 1934. Page 29-31.
  15. Roberts, Gary Boyd. Ancestors of American Presidents. Boston, MD: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2009.

See also

  • Hickok, Charles Nelson. The Hickok genealogy: descendants of William Hickoks of Farmington, Connecticut: with ancestry of Charles Nelson Hickok. Rutland, VT: The Tuttle Publishing Company, Inc., 1938. Page 385-387




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Rather than adding the ship Hector category, my preference would be to place the paragraph (presently in the biography) at the top of the profile, above the Biography Header.

perhaps with an appropriate header

It doesn't seem helpful to place it in a category when the original ship list no longer exists and there is no way to prove the actual passengers.

Any other suggestions as to how to handle this?

(see comments below)

Placing a paragraph above the Biography header would be a violation of WikiTree standards. If there's information of a suppositional nature that doesn't belong in the Biography, it generally goes under Research Notes.
I've placed an appropriate comment under the heading of immigration, which is what I've done with most of my New Haven ancestors.
posted by Anne B
I found reference to the 1637 passenger list of the Hector in which Andrew Messenger is listed. the link is

https://www.packrat-pro.com/ships/hector.htm The work was done by Anne Stevens of packrat-pro.com She has also listed 290 other pilgrim ships which contain details of 7100 families, it is interesting that there is not one other Messenger listed in any of those passenger lists. https://www.packrat-pro.com/ships/shiplist.htm .

posted by Susan Messenger
Thank you Susan, A lot of effort has been put into the websites listing early ships and immigrants. Packrat cites http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/hector1637.shtml as their source. Olive Tree cites a list from The New Haven colony, by Isabel MacBeath Calder.

However, there is no existing list of passengers on the Hector. Many of the packrat lists, and Calder's list are built on suppositions. The supposition used: Andrew signed the Fundamental agreement of New Haven in 1639 so therefore Andrew came on the Hector (or it's sister ship) in 1637 with the main body of New Haven settlers. This is probably correct, but is not a proven fact.

I do suppose that it might be appropriate to add the category.

posted by Anne B
Yes, other wise people like me will keep finding it! :) Just researching the ship is a nightmare let alone trying to find the passenger lists! I did a search on the National Archives web site, its obvious from that, there must have been quite a few Hectors, putting aside the Hector that went to Nova Scotia, which apparently is a different ship, there are quite a lot of Crew wills dating from 1603, 1613 and the 1800s, these seem to have been Royal Navy Gun Boats rather than passenger ships. The only other Messenger I have found that travelled was my Ancestor Richard Messenger who went to Barbados in 1658 as an indentured servant, but he came back to England 5 years later.
posted by Susan Messenger
See the next post and the paragraph I added about his immigration.
posted by Anne B
Adding PGM Beyond New England sticker.
Please see Helen S. Ullmann, "The Three Messengers: Henry, Andrew, and Edward: Clearing the Decks," New England Historical and Genealogical Register 152. 1998. Page 353-372. Andrew and Edward are not the same person. Unless and until someone can locate a better source, this is the most accurate information we have.
Wiktiree has based their information on a 1998 article in the NE Register. Andrew settled in Long Island children: Samuel, Abigail, Mary, Sarah, Andrew. Edward stayed in Connecticut, children: Dorcas, Nathaniel, Deliverance. So it appears to me that FS is wrong again. See Edward
posted by Anne B
Wikitree has Andrew Messenger and Family Search has Edward Messenger for the same tree. Andrew born in the United States before 1618 and Edward born in England about the same time. Both of them are fathers to Samuel. Edward father of Dorcas 1650 Samuel 1653 and Deliverance 1655 with 14 sources and 11 collaborations. While Edward had Mary Messenger Benedict, Abigail Messenger Mills, Sarah Messenger Gregory, plus his two sons Samuel and Andrew Messenger. I am not experienced enough to know which is right.
Messenger-157 and Messenger-176 appear to represent the same person because: Both are the father of Abigail. Please use the data on Messenger-176.
posted by Anne B
Messenger-539 and Messenger-176 appear to represent the same person because: Clear duplicate
Messenger-567 and Messenger-176 appear to represent the same person because: same/similar dates, same wife and child
posted by Robin Lee