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Mary (Montague) Payne (abt. 1663 - bef. 1687)

Mary Payne formerly Montague
Born about in Christchurch, Lancaster County, Virginiamap
Ancestors ancestors
Wife of — married 24 Oct 1682 in Christ Church, Middlesex, Virginiamap
Descendants descendants
Died before before about age 24 in Ferry Farm, King George, Virginiamap
Profile last modified | Created 18 Feb 2011
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Contents

Biography

Name

Name: Mary /Montague/[1]

Birth

Birth:
Date: 1665
Place: Christchurch, King George, Virginia, United States[2]

Marriage

Husband: Captain Joseph Ball
Wife: Mary Montague
Marriage:
Date: 1700
Place: Lancaster, Lancaster, Virginia, United States[3][4][5][6][7]

Dispute

Name: Mary /Montague

"Based on the body of evidence compiled here, the only factual statements are: (1) Mary Montague, b. abt 1664, is the dau. of Peter Montague and Mary Minor; and (2) she m. 24 Oct 1682, Thomas Paine (or Payne) in Middlesex Co., VA. What follows is my interpretation of what the indirect evidence suggests: Mary Montague probably d. in 1686/7 as Mary Payne--probably while giving birth to her first child, Thomas Paine Jr. This supposition is enhanced further by the fact that Mary (Montague) does not appear in the record after 1687. It is not insignificant, for example, that Mary is not mentioned with her siblings in the settling of her father's estate in 1695. Furthermore, a Thomas appears to have remarried, as the few extant records containing Thomas Paine show he had a father-in-law named Ellett or Elliott. Thomas Paine apparently did not leave a will when his estate was being settled in 1694/5, but there is no record of a widow or other court orders against his estate as one might expect were there any surviving family" MONTAGUE

Sources

  • Virginia Marriages, 1785-1940 database, FamilySearch, Thomas Paine and Mary Mountague, 24 Oct 1682; citing Christchurch,Middlesex,Virginia, reference ; FHL microfilm 873,777.
  • Married Well and Often Author: Robert K Headley. Publisher: Baltimore, MD : Genealogical Pub. Co., ©2003. Pages: Joseph ball 24, Richard Hewes 190.
  • Virginia Genealogies Author: Horace Edwin Hayden. Publisher: Genealogical Publishing Com, 2010. Joseph Ball, Pages 56 - 59.
  • Ancestry.com. Virginia, Marriages of the Northern Neck of Virginia, 1649-1800 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2012. Original data: Headley, Robert K. Married Well and Often: Marriages of the Northern Neck of Virginia, 1649–1800. Baltimore, MD, USA: Genealogical Publishing Co., 2003.
  • Godfrey Memorial Library, comp. American Genealogical-Biographical Index (AGBI) [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2000.
  • Roberts, Gary Boyd. Ancestors of American Presidents. Boston: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2012.
  • West, Edmund, comp. Family Data Collection - Individual Records [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2000.
  • Yates Publishing. U.S. and International Marriage Records, 1560-1900 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2004.
  • WikiTree profile Montague-315 created through the import of Misty_s ancestry.ged on Sep 16, 2012 by Misty Wood. See the Changes page for the details of edits by Misty and others.
  • This profile was created by the merging of WikiTree profile Montague-34, created through the import of fitzmaster032511.ged on 27 March 2011 by Sue Fitzpatrick and WikiTree profile Montague-393, created by the import of Kabrich_Side_Tree.ged on Sep 18, 2013 by Robin Kabrich.
  • Source: S-1766573297 Repository: #R-1790658744 Title: Family Data Collection - Marriages Author: Edmund West, comp. Publication: Online publication - Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2001. Note: APID: 1,5774::0
  • Repository: R-1790658744 Name: Ancestry.com Address: http://www.Ancestry.com Note:
  • Source: S-1766655151 Repository: #R-1790658744 Title: U.S. and International Marriage Records, 1560-1900 Author: Yates Publishing Publication: Online publication - Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2004.Original data - This unique collection of records was extracted from a variety of sources including family group sheets and electronic databases. Originally, the information was derived Note: APID: 1,7836::0
  • Source: S-1767020224 Repository: #R-1790658744 Title: Family Data Collection - Individual Records Author: Edmund West, comp. Publication: Online publication - Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2000. Note: APID: 1,4725::0
  • Source: S-1767109022 Repository: #R-1790658744 Title: Ancestry Family Trees Publication: Online publication - Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com. Original data: Family Tree files submitted by Ancestry members. Note: This information comes from 1 or more individual Ancestry Family Tree files. This source citation points you to a current version of those files. Note: The owners of these tree files may have removed or changed information since this source citation was created. Page: Ancestry Family Trees Note: Data: Text: http://trees.ancestry.com/pt/AMTCitationRedir.aspx?tid=46092103&pid=1238
  1. Source: #S-1766655151 Page: Source number: ; Source type: ; Number of Pages: ; Submitter Code: . Note: http://trees.ancestry.com/rd?f=sse&db=worldmarr_ga&h=849048&ti=0&indiv=try&gss=pt Note: Data: Text: Birth date: 1665 Birth place: VA Marriage date: 1700 Marriage place: APID: 1,7836::849048
  2. Source: #S-1766655151 Page: Source number: ; Source type: ; Number of Pages: ; Submitter Code: . Note: http://trees.ancestry.com/rd?f=sse&db=worldmarr_ga&h=849048&ti=0&indiv=try&gss=pt Note: Data: Text: Birth date: 1665 Birth place: VA Marriage date: 1700 Marriage place: APID: 1,7836::849048
  3. Source: #S-1766655151 Page: Source number: ; Source type: ; Number of Pages: ; Submitter Code: . Note: http://trees.ancestry.com/rd?f=sse&db=worldmarr_ga&h=53723&ti=0&indiv=try&gss=pt Note: Data: Text: Birth date: 1649 Birth place: VA Marriage date: 1700 Marriage place: APID: 1,7836::53723
  4. Source: #S-1767020224 Page: Birth year: 1649; Birth city: Millenkick; Birth state: VA. Note: http://trees.ancestry.com/rd?f=sse&db=genepool&h=3225830&ti=0&indiv=try&gss=pt Note: Data: Text: Birth date: 25 May 1649 Birth place: Millenkick, Lancaster, VA Death date: 11 July 1711 Death place: Marriage date: 1675 Marriage place: APID: 1,4725::3225830
  5. Source: #S-1767020224 Page: Birth year: 1649; Birth city: Millenkick; Birth state: VA. Note: http://trees.ancestry.com/rd?f=sse&db=genepool&h=3163952&ti=0&indiv=try&gss=pt Note: Data: Text: Birth date: 25 May 1649 Birth place: Millenkick, Lancaster Co, VA Death date: 11 July 1711 Death place: Marriage date: 1675 Marriage place: APID: 1,4725::3163952
  6. Source: #S-1767020224 Page: Birth year: 1649; Birth city: Millenkick; Birth state: VA. Note: http://trees.ancestry.com/rd?f=sse&db=genepool&h=119306&ti=0&indiv=try&gss=pt Note: Data: Text: Birth date: 25 May 1649 Birth place: Millenkick, Lancaster Co, VA Death date: 11 July 1711 Death place: Oakley, Lancaster Co, VA Marriage date: 1700 Marriage place: Lancaster Co, VA APID: 1,4725::119306
  7. Source: #S-1766573297 Note: http://trees.ancestry.com/rd?f=sse&db=genepoolm&h=1688087&ti=0&indiv=try&gss=pt Note: Data: Text: Marriage date: 1700 Marriage place: Lancaster, VA APID: 1,5774::1688087




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I agree, we probably have 2 different Marys, and I am having trouble finding info on either one of them. Glad you called in the "big guns;" I don't have the resources for that! And, I didn't notice the marriage at age 12! I got so frustrated I just let it go for a while. Thanks for staying on top of it. I did see the discussion in the Montague Family Association that you posted. DO you have a link for the NEHGS discussion? Thanks for the great info!
posted by Robin Kabrich
Please read the studies at the NEHSG for this long dispute on Mary Unknown Johnson Ball Hews/Hughes .

The Mary Montague Payne is a different family exactly in same location .

See : http://genforum.genealogy.com/montague/messages/1485.html

posted by Maggie N.
I think we have two different Marys here married to Joseph Ball . I will remove " Mary Montague Payne " from Joseph Ball as a wife. If someone finds a source Mary Ball Washington's mother being a Montague . PLEASE POST IT ! Thanks !
posted by Maggie N.
The other problem is that this Mary " Montague" was 12 when she married Thomas Payne !
posted by Maggie N.
The problem is the wife of Joseph Ball , mother of Mary, her maiden name is unknown. I think now we are dealing with two different women . Do you agree ?
posted by Maggie N.
Why did you reject this as a match to Montague-26? The birth and death dates, are identical, as is one spouse. The only discrepancy I see is the place of birth, but those places are geographically close to each other.
posted by Robin Kabrich
This profile is listing Bennett as Mary's MIDDLE name, not her MAIDEN name.
posted by Robin Kabrich

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