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William Alfred (Mortimer) Knight (abt. 1320 - 1350)

William Alfred Knight formerly Mortimer
Born about in Worcester, Worcestershire, , Englandmap
Son of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
[spouse(s) unknown]
[children unknown]
Died at about age 30 [location unknown]
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Profile last modified | Created 22 Sep 2013
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Research suggests that this person may never have existed. See the text for details.

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Note: Pages that mention him tend to call him Knight (usually with Bradley appended) rather than Mortimer, or be an unsourced mishmash of both names.

Ethel was not used as a single first name until the 1850s, so his wife could not have been named Ethel May Dyer.

http://edwardthesecond.blogspot.com/2012/07/when-genealogy-goes-wrong.html talks about him popping up in all kinds of genealogies as a lovechild of Roger (Mortimer) de Mortimer (1287-1330) and Isabella of France.

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I would not use Wikipedia as a resource guide since anybody and including myself being a member on that site that I can add or subtract information with or without a bibliography site marker. Even all colleges and universities are not allowed to use Wikipedia as a bibliography site for papers or thesis writing. But getting on to William A Mortimer Knight, it is still accepted by most scholars that at the time of Roger De Mortimer’s execution, Isabella was pregnant with his child. The official record states that she lost the baby in childbirth, but others are not so sure. I am getting this information from other relatives who have done extensive research in England and France. There are reports that the baby was smuggled out of the castle by Isabella’s friend and supporter Adam Orleton, the Bishop of Worcester, and given to a sympathetic family. It would make sense, since a male child of this union would have almost certainly been seen as a threat to the throne and would not have been allowed to live. In case you haven’t guessed, that baby is said to have been William Alfred Knight, my ancestor. There have been well known cases of famous illegitimate birth of Royal families. Most recent case was King Louis XIII of France's wife/Queen Maria Theresa had an illegitimate daughter, Louise Marie Thérèse (The Black Nun of Moret).
posted by Vernon Knight Jr
I have now detached: 1. a wife with a name that didn't exist until about 1850, 2. a mother who was a duplicate of the attached father's mother, 3. Roger de Mortimer, who was highly unlikely to be his father.
Can someone help me to understand how the Knight name came from the Mortimer name ?
posted by Michael Knight
The Word Mortimer means Knight
posted by Michael Knight
No, the name Mortimer means dead, stagnant, or still water or sea. Possibly, the Knight in question took the name from his position as a knight and was a bastard child of the Mortimer. Just a guess.
posted by Randal Mortimer
Time to detach this profile out of respect to the parents? No one was ever called William Alfred anything in 1320.
posted by C. Mackinnon
This person may or may not actually exist. There's a lively debate out there about him and how unlikely his origin story is.

http://edwardthesecond.blogspot.com/2012/07/when-genealogy-goes-wrong.html

posted by Adam Knight
Wikipedia lists Margaret Mortimer as the mother of Roger Mortimer (1st Earl of March), Joan Geneville is Roger's spouse and the mother of all of his children. Is there any more sources for this person? He is a connecting point to part of my family tree to a large number of noblemen and women (including Charles Martel), and there is little to no information regarding him.
posted by Bradley Cook

Rejected matches › William Mortimer (abt.1800-)

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