Jehan  (Mousnier) de la Montagne Sr

Jehan (Mousnier) de la Montagne Sr (1595 - 1672)

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Dr Jehan (Johannes) "Jan, Jean" de la Montagne Sr formerly Mousnier aka Montanus, la Montaigne
Born in Saintes, Charente-Maritime, Poitou-Charentes, Francemap
Son of and [mother unknown]
Husband of — married in Walloon Church, Leyden, Zuid Provence, Netherlandsmap
Husband of — married in New York, New Netherlandsmap
Died in Claverack, Columbia County, New York, United Statesmap
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Categories: Huguenot Migration | NNS Huguenot | NNS | New Netherland Settlers.

Mousnier de la Montagne was a Huguenot.
He was a Walloon signer of the 1621 Round Robin petition, promising "to go into Virginia and there to live in the same condition as others of His Majesty's subjects, but in a town of incorporation by themselves"

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Biography

An interesting discussion of Johannes can be found at the Society of the Descendants of Johannes de la Montagne. Note: According to this his parents both were Unknown

Name: Jean "Johannes" Mousnier de Surname: (de) la Monta(i)gne Sex: M
Birth: 1595 in Saintes, Saintogne, France Death: 1670 in Claverack, New York , he was a Physician[1]
Walloons and French to Virginia, 1621 Promise of certain “Walloons and French to emigrate to Virginia. In the centre of a large sheet of paper was written in French: We promise my Lord Ambassador of the Most Serene King of Great Britain to go and inhabit in Virginia, a land under his Majesty’s obedience, as soon as conveniently may be, and this under the conditions to be carried out in the articles we have communicated to the said Ambassador, and not otherwise, on the faith of which we have unanimously signed this present with our sign manual. The signatures and the calling of each are appended in the form of a round robin, and in a outer circle the person signing states whether he is married, and the number of his children. Endorsed by Sir Dudley Carleton, Signature of such Wallons and French as offer themselfs to goe into Verginia.
Two of these names were:
  1. Mousnier de la Montagne, medical student; marrying man
  2. Mousnier de la Montagne, apothecary and surgeon; marrying man[2]
In the New Netherlands, Jean Mousnier De La Montagne was generally referred to as Doctor Johannes De La Montagne. His excellent education and high natural abilities enabled him to take and important place in the community. On Manhattan, he set up business as a physician and as a chandler. Henry De Forest died soon after arrival, and Dr. Montagne was forced to take charge of the De Forest tobacco plantation in mid-Manhattan. Eventually, Dr. Montagne assumed the proprietorship of the property, living on it with his family and producing a profitable crop of tobacco. The farm, called "Vrendendahl", included much of the upper half of what is now Central Park in New York City. He was driven off the land by Indians and lived thereafter near the fort at New Amsterdam. He was the offical surgeon of New Amsterdam, Frist Councillor (continuously from: 1638-1656) for both Director Kieft and Director Stuyvesant, military commander of the troops on Manhattan Island 1640-1656, and a member of several peace commissions with the Indians.
Dr. Montagne was appointed Vice-Director of the colony from 1656-1664, with special responsibility for Fort Orange (Albany) and the Dutch settlement at Beverwyck. This made Dr. Montagne the chief administrator for a large area, including all the Dutch and Huguenot settlements in the Hudson valley.
With the English take-over of the colony in 1664, Dr. Montagne dropped out of offical records, as an official of the Dutch West Indies Company, he had to resign as Vice-Director. He did sign a loyalty oath to the new British government and it is believed that he accompanied Peter Stuyvesant back to Holland in 1665 to defend the surrender of the colony. It is assumed that he returned to New York in 1668 like Peter Stuyesant. It also assumed that he died in Claverack, New York in 1670 because his son, Jean dropped the use of Junior that year.
Note: This part mentioned in many if not all genealogies , seems to be wrong : In 1628, Jean de la Montagne left with is young bride, de Forest's daughter Rachel, on the "Fortuyn" for the island of Tobago, a Dutch possession in the Windward Islands, northwest of Guiana. His wife returned to Leyden in 1631, supposedly enfeebled by the climate of this Caribbean Isle. Her husband probably returned in 1633 and appears on the register of the University of Leyden for the third time in 1636.
This seems to be incorrect if not impossible, both Jean and his wife Rachel where witnesses at the baptism of Child in Leiden in August 1628 and their son Josse (Jesse) was born/baptized May 6, 1629 in Leiden as well .

Residence Time Line

Following is a timeline for Jan and his wife Rachel + second wife Angniet Gilis:
  • 1609 (ca.): Rachel du Forest was born, possibly in France - Jean was a Native of Saintonge, on the west coast of France.
  • 1623-1625: Johannes Mousnier de La Montagne accompanied Jesse de Forest to the Amazon River and the coast of Guiana in 1623, one of a party of eleven Huguenot men looking for a site to establish a Huguenot colony. De la Montagne returned to Leyden on the "Black Eagle" late in 1625, bringing with him the journal and maps of the exploration party with the sad news that Jesse de Forest had died in Guiana. / He returned to Leyden on the "BLACK EAGLE" late in 1625, bringing with him the journal and maps of the exploration party with the sad news that Jesse De Forest had died on October 22, 1624 in Guiana.
  • 1626, Nov 11: Jean Moenyer and Ragel de Foree were married at Leiden, Zuid Holland.
  • 1628, Aug 17: Jean de Moignier (called de La Montagne) and Rachel du Forest witnessed a baptism in Leiden, Zuid Holland.
  • 1628 -1631: In 1628, Jean de la Montagne left with is young bride, de Forest's daughter Rachel, on the "Fortuyn" for the island of Tobago, a Dutch possession in the Windward Islands, northwest of Guiana/ In 1628, Jean De La Montagne left with his young bride on the "FORTUYN" for the island of Tobago,a Dutch possession in the Windward Islands, northwest of Guiana. His wife returned to Leyden in 1631, supposedly enfeebled by the climate of the Caribbean Isle. Her husband probably returned to Leyden in 1633 and appears on the register of the University of Leyden for the third time in 1636. ( incorrect because he was at Leiden in May 1629 when his son was baptized !
  • 1629, May 06: Son Josse Mousnier was bp. on May 6, 1629 at the Walloon Church of Leiden, Zuid Holland, Netherlands. (Possibly born in Tobago.) Husband Jean was recorded on the baptism register.
  • 1631, Rachel de Forest, Jean's wife, returned to Leyden in 1631, supposedly enfeebled by the climate of this Caribbean Isle.
  • 1633: Her husband Jean probably returned in 1633.
  • 1633, Apr 24: Jean Mousnier Jr. was bp. on April 24, 1633 at the Walloon Church, Leiden, Zuid Holland, Netherlands. Husband Jean was recorded on the baptism register.
  • 1634: Dau. Rachel de La Montagne, said to have been born ca. 1634, Leyden, Netherlands (No Baptizm record found);
  • 1636: Jean appears on the register of the University of Leyden for the third time in 1636.
  • 1636, Sep 25: On Sep 25, 1636: De la Montagne sailed for America for the third time, this time with his wife and three children, on the ship "Rensselaerswyck", owned by the patroon Kiliaen Van Resselaer and by the de Forest family, whose leader was now Rachel's uncle Gerard de Forest. The de Forest group on the ship consisted of Rachel's brothers Henry and Isaac, as well as the de la Montagne family.
  • 1637, Mar 5: Maria de La Montagne, was born at sea, before the ship reached New Amsterdam on March 5, 1637.
  • 1637-1643: In the New Netherlands, Dr. de la Montagne set up business as a physician and as a chandler. Henry de Forest died soon after arrival, and Dr. Montagne was forced to take charge of the de Forest tobacco plantation in mid-Manhattan. The farm, called "Vrendendahl", included much of the upper half of what is now Central Park.
  • 1643, De 12: Rachel du Forest died December 12, 1643 at Vrendendahl, Manhattan, New York, New York.
  • 1643-1656: He was driven off the land by Indians (Director-General William Kieft's Indian war) and lived thereafter near the fort at New Amsterdam. He was the official surgeon of New Amsterdam, and First Councillor (1638-1656).
  • 1647, Aug 18: Agnietie Jilles|Agneta ten Waert and Johannes de La Montagne, wid Rachel de Forest (Defour), posted marriage banns on August 18, 1647.
  • 1656-1664: Montagne was appointed Vice-Director of the colony from 1656-1664, with special responsibility for Fort Orange (Albany) and the Dutch settlement at Beverwyck.
  • 1670, May 10: Jean Mousnier De La Montagne died on May 10, 1670 at Claverack, Columbia County

Name

Note: One has to consider that Mousnier was a title similar to the French Monsieur or the English Mister or the French Meunier being equal to the English Miller...and possibly not a surname.
Jehan Mousnier de la Montagne[3]
Name: Jean Mousnier /De La Montagne/[4][5][6][7][8]
Name: Johannes /De La Montagne/[9]
Name: Jean Mous /De La Montagne/[10]
Name: Gillis /Delamontagne/[11]
Jean Mousnier de la Montange
Name: Dr Jean (John) Mousnier /de la Montanya/ Sr[12][13][14][15][16][17][18]
Name: Jean Mousnier /delaMontagne/[19]

Birth

Jean de La Montagne was b. ca. 1595 at Saintes, Charente-Maritime, Poitou-Charentes, France[20][21][22][23]

Birth: Date: 1593 Place: France[24]
Birth: Date: ABT 1600[25]
Born 1595 in Saintes, Charente-Maritime, Poitou-Charentes, France
Birth: Date: 1595 Place: Sainte, Santonge, Charente Infer, France[26][27]
Birth: Date: 1595 Place: Leiden, S holl, Netherlands[28]

Arrival

Jean|Jan was recorded to have arrived in America as follows:

Arrival: Date: 1621, Virginia, USA[29]
Arrival: Date: 1623, New Netherland[30]
Arrival: Date: 1637, New Amsterdam, NN[31]
Arrival: Date: 1664, New York, New York[32]

Parents

Father: Masion (De La Montagne) Montaigne
Mother: Unknown; They were married ca. 1593 Place: New York, USA[33] ??????

Marriages

Jan|Johannes|Jean de La Montagne married:

1. Ragel de Foree |de Forest at Leiden on Nov 11, 1626 :
bride/bruid Place/ Plaats: Leiden Date int marr/ Datum ondertrouw: 27-11-1626
Groom/ Bruidegom: Jean Moenyer Residence groom/ Woonplaats bruidegom: Voldersgraft occupation/Beroep: medical student/ student medicijnen
Bride/ Bruid : Ragel de Foree Residence bride/ Woonplaats bruid: Voldersgraft
Comments/ Opmerkingen: Getuigen bruidegom: Gerard de Foree bekende Maren - Getuigen bruid: Hester de la Grange moeie Voldersgraft [34]/ Rachel de Forest (de four) and Johannes de La montagne posted marriage banns, November 28, 1626 in Leyden, Zuid, Holland, Netherlands[35][36]. Marriage, 12 DEC 1626 . Rachel died sometime between Apr 22, 1641 and 1647
2. Agnietie Jilles and Johannes de La montagne, wid Rachel de Forest (Defour), posted marriage banns on August 18, 1647.
Banns were recorded at the central Reformed Dutch church of New Amsterdam, NN[37] They were married October 18, 1647 in New Amsterdam, NN.[38]
Marriage proclamation 28 augustus 1647:
Groom/Bruidegom: Johannes de la Montagne Burgerlijke staat: Widower/ Weduwnaar
Bride/ Bruid: Agnietie Jilles Burgerlijke staat:Widow/Weduwe relation/ Relatie: Rachel Defour Relation/ Relatie: Arendt Corszens Stam
Event / Gebeurtenis: Marriage/Trouwen
Place of event/Gebeurtenisplaats: New Netherlands /NDG Event / :Gebeurtenis: Proclamation date/ Proclamatie Datum: woensdag 28 augustus 1647[39]

Children

Known children of Johannes de La montagne and Rachel de Forest (de four) , so from the first marriage, were:
  1. Jolant de La Montagne was bp. on Feb 24, 1627 at PetersKerk, Leiden, Zuid Holland.[40][41]; Father Johannes Montaigne, Mother not named, Sponsors/Witnesses were: Marij du Cleu, Jan de Toore. Jolant d. 7 November 1635, Leyden, Netherlands[42].◦d. 1627 Leyden, Zuid Holland (/Tobago, West Indies)/ Jolant d. 7 November 1635, Leyden, Netherlands[43].
  2. Josse Mousnier was bp. on May 6, 1629 at the Walloon Church of Leiden, Zuid Holland, Netherlands. [44]. Parents were: Jean Mousnier, Rachel des Forest. Sponsors were: Esther de la Grange, Gerar des Forest. [45]; Josse d. after 1647, New Amsterdam, New Netherlands. b. 1629 Leyden, Zuid Holland, Netherlands/ Tobago, West Indies / d. 1647 Ft. Amsterdam/ New Harlem, New York, NY
  3. Jean Mousnier Jr. was bp. on April 24, 1633 at the Walloon Church, Leiden, Zuid Holland, Netherlands.[46]. Parents were: Jean Mousnier, Rachel Des Forest. There were no recorded sponsors. / Jan Mousnier de La Montagne, JR., b. 1632, Leyden, Netherlands; was bp. 24 April 1633 at the Walloon Church of Leyden, Netherlands[47]. Jan died ca. 1672, at New Harlem, New York./ c. 21 Oct. 1630 Leyden, Zuid Holland, Neth. (not supported by bp. Record) d. AFT 13 May, 1672 Brooklyn, NY m.(1): Peternella Pikes 14 Mar. 1654/55 Slooterdyk/ Noord, Zuid Holland, Netherlands b. 1634 Leiden, Zuid Holland, Netherlands d. 1662 Harlem, New York, NY Father: Jan Pike m.(2): Maria Vermilye 15 May/ 10 June 1663 Brooklyn, Kings, NY b. 1629 Leyden, Zuid Holland, Netherlands d. 1689 New Harlem, NY Father: Isaac Vermilye Mother: Jacomina Jacobs
  4. Rachel de La Montagne, b. 1634, Leyden, Netherlands (No Baptizm record found); d. 4 October 1664, Wiltwyck, Ulster County, New York; m. GYSBERT VAN IMBROCH, 1657, probably at Fort Orange. b. 1634 Leyden, Zuid Holland, Netherlands ◦d. 4 Oct. 1664 Wiltwyck/ Kingston, Ulster, NY ◦Family: Dr. Gysbert von Imbroch (ABT 1632/34-1665) 8 Mar. 1654 New Harlem, New Amsterdam, New Netherlands
  5. Marie de La Montagne, b. 26 January 1637, aboard the ship Rensselaerswyck off the island of Madeira; m. JACOB HENDRICKSZEN KIP, 8 March 1654, New York Reformed Dutch Church. c. 25 Jan. 1637 at sea, near Madeira d. 25 Aug. 1711 New Amsterdam, New York, NY ◦Family: Jacob Hendricksen Kip (1631-1690) 8 Mar. 1653/54 New Amsterdam, New York, NY
  6. Willem de La Montagne, b. ca. 1641 was baptised on Apr 22, 1641, at New Amsterdam, NN. Baptism was recorded at the Reformed Dutch Church of New Amsterdam, NN[48][49] [50][51][52]Date: 1641, at New Harlem, NY[53][54]. He m. Eleanora de Hooges, May 1673, at Ulster County, New York.
Known children of Johannes de La montagne and Agniet Jellis|Agneta ten Waert, so children from the second marriage, were:
  1. Gillis de La Montagne, son, was bp. on Sep 18 1650 in greater New Amsterdam.. Baptism was recorded at the central Reformed Dutch Church of New Amsterdam, NN.[55][56]
  2. Jesse de La Montagne, b. 1653 New York City; bp. 6 April 1653. Baptism was recorded at the Reformed Dutch Church of New Amsterdam, NN[57][58] NARDC; died young

Other Church Events

Rachel Lucas was baptized on Aug 17, 1628 at the Walloon Church of Leiden, Zuid Holland,[59]. to Bauduin Lucas, Witnesses were Jean de Moignier and his wife, Rachel du Forest. Erfgoed Leiden en omstreken Walse Kerk dopen record comment: get. Lucien en zijn vrouw, get. Jean genaamd La Montaigne en zijn vrouw Rachel; in English, get. (Sponsor or Witness) Lucien and his wife get. Jean called La Montaigne and his wife Rachel.
Agniet Jellis, was baptized 1 Dec 1611 in the Nieuwkerk, Amsterdam, North Holland, Netherlands, and residing at the Heerengracht in Amsterdam at the time of her second marriage, married 1) Elias Provoost (the son of Wilhelmus Provoost and Jenne Eerdewijns-see the Provoost family), 17 May 1633 in Amsterdam, North Holland, Netherlands, 2) Arendt Corsse Stam 26 Jan 1638 in Amsterdam, North Holland, Netherlands, and 3) Johannes de la Montagne 28 Aug 1647 in New Amsterdam, New Netherland, immigrated to New Netherland. [60].

Death

Jean Mousnier De La Montagne died on May 10, 1670 at Claverack, Columbia County (Claverack is 35 miles south of Albany), New York, he was Age: 75.[61][62]
Note: The Reformed Dutch Church at Claverack was part of the Albany (N.Y.) Synod, one of the eight regional synods that compose the RCA. Further, the church is a member of the Columbia-Greene Classis, the local classis of the Albany Synod. Both the Albany Synod and CG Classis are responsible for the work of the church in their area, as well as providing support and partnership opportunities for their member congregations. The Reformed Dutch Church in Claverack was organized in 1716. The first church stood east of the Old Court House (present Rt. 23 B), and was dedicated in 1727; the beginning date of the church’s baptismal records. In 1767, the present sanctuary of the Reformed Dutch Church was constructed on land that was deeded by John Van Rensselaer. Over the years, the original structure was expanded to include a bell tower, twin entry wings, and an expanded pulpit. The sanctuary is on the Register of National Historic Places and is one of Claverack’s most cherished structures Quick-803 14:36, 28 October 2015 (EDT).
Jean Mousnier De La Montagne died MAY 1670 at Albany, Albany, New York, USA[63]
Jean Mousnier De La Montagne died 13 MAY 1672 at Holland, Reusel-de Mierden, Noord-Brabant, Netherlands[64]
Place: Channel Islands[65]
Place: Leiden, S. Holl, Netherlands[66]

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Source Notes

  1. Note: @N2752@
  2. quote from Source: Genealogy Quest immigration records Walloon-French , Virginia
  3. Wikipedia Jehan Mousnier de la Montagne
  4.  : Source: #S1: Page: 1 or more individual Ancestry Family Tree files were combined tocreate this source citation.
  5.  : Source: #S36: Page: Source number: 183.000; Source type: Electronic Database; Number of Pages: 1; Submitter Code: JLM.Text: Name: Jean Mous De La Montagne Birth Date: 1593 Birth Place: Fr
  6.  : Source: #S2: Page: Database online.Text: Record for Jean Mous De La Montagne
  7.  : Source: #S3: Page: Database online. Text: Record for Jean Mousnier De La Montagne
  8.  : Source: #S43: Page: Database online. Text: Record for Agnietje Ten Waert
  9.  : Source: #S3: Page: Database online.Text: Record for Rachel De Forest
  10.  : Source: #S43: Page: Database online.Text: Record for Agnietje Ten Waert
  11.  : Source: #S43: Page: Database online. Text: Record for Agnietje Ten Waert
  12. Source: #S56
  13. Source: #S27
  14. Source: #S48 Page: Place: New York, New York; Year: 1637; Page Number: 25
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  31. Source: #S48 Page: Place: New York, New York; Year: 1637; Page Number: 25
  32. Source: #S48 Page: Place: New York, New York; Year: 1664; Page Number: 75
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  34. Bron: Archiefnr: 1004 Archiefnaam Nederlands Hervormd Ondertrouw (1575-1795) Inventarisnummer: 10 Folio K - 016 Bron: Dutch Reformed int marr/ Nederlands Hervormd Ondertrouw (1575-1795) Scan int Marriage November 11, 1626 Leiden
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  37. NYRDC Marriage Record: 1647 28 Aug; Johannes de La montagne, wid Rachel Defour; Agnietie Jilles, wid Arendt Corszens Stam
  38. NYRDC Marriage Record 1647, 28 august
  39. Documenttype: DTB trouwen Erfgoedinstelling: Nationaal ArchiefNationaal Archief Plaats instelling: Den Haag Collectiegebied: Nieuw-Nederland Registratiedatum: 28 augustus 1647 Marriage Angniet Jillis Akteplaats: Nieuw Amsterdam-New York Collectie: Collegiate Church of New York Aktesoort: Trouwboek
  40. Peterskerk Bapt. Record: 1627, Feb 24;Johannes Montaigne,;Jolant Montaigne; Marij du Cleu, Jan de Toore. Archiefnr:1004, Archiefnaam: Dopen NH Pieterskerk, Inventarisnummer: 221
  41. SDJM Newsletter - 18:2. 2121.
  42. SDJM Newsletter, 18:2. 2125
  43. SDJM Newsletter, 18:2. 2125
  44. 1629 May 06; Jean Mousnier, Rachel des Forest; Josse Mousnier; Esther de la Grange, Gerar des Forest. Archiefnr: 1004, Archiefnaam: Dopen Waalse Kerk, Inventarisnummer: 271
  45. SDJM Newsletter, 18:2. 2122.
  46. WalseKerk Bapt. Record: 1633 Apr 24; Jean Mousnier, Rachel Des Forest; Jean Mousnier; no sponsors. Archiefnr:1004, Archiefnaam: Dopen Waalse Kerk; Inventarisnummer: 271
  47. SDJM Newsletter, 18:2. 2122.
  48. NARDC Bapt. Record: 1641 Apr 22; Jan de la Montagne; Willem; Willem Kieft, Everadus Bogardus, Marritje Thymes, Cataline Strafele
  49. Records of the Reformed Dutch Church in New Amsterdam and New York; Baptisms From 25 December, 1639, to 27 December 1730. Ed. Thomas Grier Evans. New York: New York Genealogical and Biographical Society, 1901. Facsimile reprint Englewood, NJ: Bergen Historic Books, 1998. 1: 12. Baptismal sponsors were the Director of the Colony, Willem Kief; Domine Everardus Bogardus; Marritje Thymes; and Cataline Strafele. Willem's father's name was given as Jan de la Montagne and his mother was not named, showing that she might have been too ill to get to the church for the baptismal ceremony.
  50. Society of the Descendants of Johannes de la Montagne
  51. Source: #S188 Page: pg 12 Quality or Certainty of Data: 3 Data: Text: He is the son of Jean de la MONTAGNE and Rachel de FOREST. Text: YES
  52. Source: #S199 Page: pg 8 Quality or Certainty of Data: 3 Data: Text: At New Amsterdam, the son of Jean Mousnier de la MONTAGNE and Rachel de FOREST. Text: YES
  53. Source: #S177 Page: 9NGX-HK Quality or Certainty of Data: 3
  54. Source: #S201
  55. NARDC Bapt. Record: 1650 Sep 18; Johan de La Montagne; Gillis; Olof Stephenszen Van Courtlant, Grietie ten Waert
  56. Records of the NYRDC, 1:28. The baptismal sponsors for Gillis were Olof Stephenszen Van Courtl. and Grietie ten Waert. The father's name was given as Johan de La Montagne and no mother's name was given.
  57. NARDC Bapt. Record: Page 34---1653 Apr 06; Jan de La Montagne, Agneta ten Waert; Jesse; Sara du Trieux, Anna Stam
  58. Records of the NARDC, 1:34. Parents were listed as Jan de La Montagne and Agneta ten Waert. Baptismal sponsors were Sara du Trieux and Anna Stam.
  59. Walloon Bapt Record: 1628 Aug 17; Bauduin Lucas;;Rachel;Lucien Lucas; Jean de Moignier and his wife, Rachel du Forest. Archiefnr: 1004, Archiefnaam: Dopen Waalse Kerk, Inventarisnummer: 271
  60. She was daughter of Gillis Jochimsz (Ten Waert) and Beijken Schuts.Gillis Jochimsz (Ten Waert) [1 and Beijken Schuts]
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  64.  : Source: #S43: Page: Database online. This is a bad source reference, resulting room a mistake in ancestry.com's Family Tree maker that used Reusel-de Mierden for all references ti Holland. Text: Record for Agnietje Ten Waert
  65.  : Source: #S43: Page: Database online. Text: Record for Agnietje Ten Waert
  66. Source: #S27
  67. from DeLaMontagne-12

Acknowledgements

  • Montagne-1 was created through the import of Rodney Timbrook Ancestors and Relatives_2010-09-10.ged on 10 September 2010. The information given in the biography is from that profile as of April 9, 2014.
  • DeLaMontagne-12 was created by created through the import of Mulkerin Family History Site.ged on Dec 15, 2011 by Samantha Mulkerin.
  • This person was created through the import of Rodney Timbrook Ancestors and Relatives_2010-09-10.ged on 10 September 2010.
  • This person was created on 10 February 2011 through the import of James_s Complete Family Tree.ged.
  • De la Montanya-1 was created by Susan Potts through the import of 15 generations.ged on Oct 30, 2013.
  • DelaMontagne-14 was created by Kevin Jones through the import of An Incomplete OklaTexan Story_2015-02-09_01.ged on Feb 9, 2015.
  • De la Montangier-1 was created by Terry Mandeville through the import of TerryMandeville3.ged on Dec 29, 2015.

Why Montagne-1?

  • Determined prior to March 2014 based on conventions for European Aristicrats (guidelines for that project say not to include prepositional prefixes - e.g., de la - in the LNAB field. However, this was considered for royalty and Aristicrats...America is not Europe.


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Int Marriage Rachel de Forest and Jean Mousnier Nov 11, 1626 Leiden
Int Marriage Rachel de Forest and Jean Mousnier Nov 11, 1626 Leiden

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On 31 Oct 2015 at 18:45 GMT Bea (Timmerman) Wijma wrote:

Here's a list of Students born before 1600 Studenten geboren voor 1600 (alphabetical order) (Monier, Montagne and Montanus are mentioned, but no Jo(h)annes , Jehan or Jean born in France)

On 31 Oct 2015 at 17:27 GMT Bea (Timmerman) Wijma wrote:

Added unverified father template, see his father as well, he is said to be a son of the famous Michel de la Montaigne, but... to Michel and his wife only 6 daughters were born and only one of these daughters, Leonor stayed alive (became an adult) see: Michel de Montaigne

On 30 Oct 2015 at 03:11 GMT Michelle (Gerard) Hartley wrote:

The correct spelling should be de la Montagne.

On 30 Oct 2015 at 01:53 GMT Bea (Timmerman) Wijma wrote:

Same here Tom and no child Rachel , found for them ...

Soo much fun ..hahaha

The only Rachel child where they were mentioned , was the one I mentioned from 1628, they were the witnesses

On 30 Oct 2015 at 01:11 GMT Tom Quick wrote:

Been working from Rachel's perspective...found bps. for the "Leiden children" except dau. Rachel...My eyes are crossing and I have exhausted all possible name combos I could think of. Have you found any bp record for lil. Rachel, b. ca. 1634?

The only thing consistent about ancient Dutch names is their inconsistency. This even becomes worse with the New York transition from Dutch to English...some women seemed to have changed their given names for each childs baptism...the name of the month club. I believe I was happier with the patronymics...they were more consistent.

Lot of fun

On 29 Oct 2015 at 23:40 GMT Bea (Timmerman) Wijma wrote:

The problem is , there were many families with the same or almost the same names , here's a genealogy , starting with last name Montaigne , later changing to Montagne , these are all people from Leiden as well, so as you can see it is quite confusing to get a clear picture and discover which child belonged to whom. It seems not logic for him to use the name Jean Mousnier (Moeynier) at his marriage and for the baptims of two children and use the name Johannes Montaigne for just one of the children...no consistency back than , so maybe it was quite normal for them...but very confusing for all of us eeh :P

On 29 Oct 2015 at 00:19 GMT Bea (Timmerman) Wijma wrote:

Hi Tom,

Of course I already was searching for his parents , but unfortunately , Maison de la Montagne only gave holiday homes for rent as hits :P

There's one thing I just now found it's a timeline for events (1500-1800) at Maastricht , where this is mentioned: 1659 First stone laid for the City Hall on the Market by the Supreme Sheriffs (Schouten) Groulart (Brabant) and De La Montagne (Liege) on June 26 .

So I guess we could try if we can find this Supreme Sheriff De La Montagne from Liege or born at Liege (?) , maybe he is somehow related and can lead to more info about them or maybe the House of la Montagne .

And of course there's the quite famous Michel de Montaigne living at chateau Montaigne. Now the Montaigne name is mentioned at the baptim of the child Rachel (they were witnesses at that baptism) so maybe that's something we could look at as well.

So I'll keep digging for a while and try the Mousnier family as well :)

On 28 Oct 2015 at 23:40 GMT Tom Quick wrote:

Hi,

A most interesting fellow, the more one digs...the more interesting he becomes.

We are reasonably "sure" of his life in NN, and his connections back to Leyden, through his wife Rachel.

Finding a pre-1600 birth reg. will be difficult, if possible. At best, we accept the name he used most often for official, typically church, documents...alas spelling was not a forte in the clergy, and as we have seen that the Dutch too often corrupted French names, as the English did later with Dutch names, by using phonetic spelling.

Like you, my concern is the projecting early names onto descendants and vice-versa. Violates the LNAB rule. We see this too often. Names morph across families and time.

What do you think about his father's name Maison (House?) de La Montagne...a possible title?

On 28 Oct 2015 at 20:08 GMT Bea (Timmerman) Wijma wrote:

Hi,

Yes I know, my guess is that maybe because there were two of them, Jean decided to use the last name Mousnier at Leiden ? Or maybe this actually was his LNAB or patronymic ?

For the Dutch Roots Project we use the name that someone really used or was mentioned with the most (if there's no Birthrecord) for LNAB and if someone , like Jean in the New Netherlands started to use and was registrated mostly with a different last name , that is the name we add to the current last name field .

So if there's a birth record for him somewhere or a record where his parents (or at least his father) were mentioned with the name (de) la Montagne, of course that is best to use .

It's the same with his second wife Angniet Gillis or Jelis was the name she was born with and used in Holland, in the new Netherlands she probably started to use the last name ten Waert , so that if there are records for it , could or should be her current last name as well ;)

And here are the Family names (Family Research Files available at the Huguenot Library) from the Huguenotsociety , now Mousnier is one of them, but and maybe I'm wrong and missing it , de la Montagne isn't mentioned here ?

On 28 Oct 2015 at 18:47 GMT Tom Quick wrote:

Jean|Johannes|Jan used de La Montgne for his marriage to Ms. jillis and the baptisms of his children Willem and Gillis at NARDC.
  • Jean Moenyer Residence groom/ Woonplaats bruidegom: Voldersgraft occupation/Beroep: medical student/ student medicijnen. Ragel de Foree at Leiden: 27-11-1626 bride/bruid Place/ Plaats: Leiden Date int marr/ Datum ondertrouw: 27-11-1626
  • NARDC Bapt. Record: 1641 Apr 22; Jan de la Montagne; Willem; Willem Kieft, Everadus Bogardus, Marritje Thymes, Cataline Strafele
  • NYRDC Marriage Record: 1647 28 Aug; Johannes de La montagne, wid Rachel Defour; Agnietie Jilles, wid Arendt Corszens Stam
  • NARDC Bapt. Record: 1650 Sep 18; Johan de La Montagne; Gillis; Olof Stephenszen Van Courtlant, Grietie ten Waert
  • NARDC Bapt. Record: Page 34---1653 Apr 06; Jan de La Montagne, Agneta ten Waert; Jesse; Sara du Trieux, Anna Stam

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