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Oconastota Cherokee (abt. 1710 - abt. 1783)

Chief Oconastota (Oconostota) "Stalking Turkey" Cherokee
Born about in Cherokee Nation (East)map
Son of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
Husband of — married 1735 in Overhill region, Cherokee Nationmap
Died about at about age 73 in Cherokee Nationmap
Profile last modified | Created 15 Oct 2011
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Do NOT merge with Ostenaco, or Oganstota they are different people.
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Oconostota was Cherokee.
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Disputed Origins & Relations

Nothing is known of Oconostota’s early life. His parents are unknown. He was born about 1710 in the Overhill area of the Cherokee Nation (estimated from age of about 73 at his death in 1783).[1]

Little is known of his family; his wife is mentioned in historical records, in 1777 he asked a nephew, Savanooka the Raven of Chota, to speak for him,[2] and in 1782 he asked to resign as chief and name his son, Tukeesee, in his place.[3]

Tukeesee is his only known child. A wikipedia entry for William Hicks claims, without source, that Oconastota had a daughter Jennie Ani'-Ya'-'Wa:

Jennie (b. 1724) was previously attached as a daughter of Oconastota Rainmaker (1702–1783) and Ahneewakee of the Red Paint Clan (b. 1704).[4] Until we have something better than that, we are disconnecting her.

Similarly, a previous version of this profile claimed, citing only the highly unreliable "Family Data Collection," that he had a daughter Prudence Staley. There is no proof of such a daughter and she has been detached.

Please do not connect any relations to this profile without discussion. Thank you.

Biography

Also known as:

Cunne Shote
Aganstata

Oconostota first appears in the historical record in 1736, welcoming the French to the Overhill towns.[5]

Some accounts[citation needed] state incorrectly that he went to England with Cuming in 1730, and he is sometimes confused with another chief called "Ostenaco," a contemporary who went to England with Timberlake in 1762.

By 1740, Oconostota was the Great Warrior of Chota, or war chief of the Overhill towns.[6] He was the leader at the Battle of Taliwa, in 1755, where Nan-ye-hi (Nancy Ward) earned her title of War Woman.[7] After Old Hop’s death in 1760, Oconostota and Attakullakulla became the primary leaders of the Cherokee. Oconostota had a lengthy and important military career, and was a signer of several treaties, including Hard Labour in 1768, Lochaber in 1770, the Henderson Purchase (Sycamore Shoals) of 1775, and the peace treaty of 1777. [8] A man named John Reid described the three chiefs who signed the Sycamore Shoals treaty as ‘all drunk’ and stated further that both Oconostota’s wife and interpreter James Vann were so upset by the treaty that they tried to keep the chiefs from signing it.[9] [10]

Another side of Oconostota was seen in 1759 when missionary William Richardson arrived in the Cherokee Nation. Richardson offered to set up schools for the Cherokee children. Oconostota supported Richardson’s plan, but others did not and Richardson soon left.[11]

William Martin (son of Joseph) recorded that Oconostota and Nancy Ward spent the winter of 1782-83 with their friend, Indian Agent Joseph Martin. William said of Oconostota: “I am of the opinion that Oconostota was one of the noblest and best of human kind.” In the spring Oconostota asked Joseph Martin to take him home to Chota, where he died and was buried.[12] An archaeological dig in 1969 (prior to the creation of the Tellico Reservoir) uncovered a grave and skeleton believed to be Oconostota. The remains were returned to the Cherokee and reinterred near Chota in 1987.[13]

Sources

  1. Kelly, James C. “Oconostota” in Journal of Cherokee Studies, Fall, 1978 pp. 221
  2. Brown, John P. Old Frontiers. Southern Publishers, Inc. Kingsport, TN. 1938, p. 165
  3. Kelly, Oconostota pp. 231-232
  4. William Hicks (Cherokee chief) (Wikipedia). NOTE: This Wikipedia entry makes no mention of Jennie as daughter of Oconastota!
  5. Hoig, Stanley The Cherokees and Their Chiefs. University of Arkansas Press, Fayetteville. 1998 p. 22
  6. Kelly, Oconostota 221
  7. Hoig, Chiefs p. 26
  8. treaties digitized here
  9. Hoig, “Chiefs” p. 58
  10. Reid
  11. Kelly, Oconostota pp. 223-224
  12. Brown, “Old Frontiers” p. 203
  13. Conley, Robert J., A Cherokee Encyclopedia.” University of New Mexico Press, Albuquerque, 2007. p. 169

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Thank you for your response to my comment about Jennie Conrad. I stand by my comment as it is highly unlikely that Oconostota had only one child, The Terrapin. He had at least three wives and there was no way to prevent pregnancy. When the information is so limited there is very little chance that Jennie's relationship to Oconostota can proven or denied.

Also, I do have matches to the supposed siblings of Oconostota not just Jennie Conrad's descendants. While this not a Y or mitochondrial DNA match (impossible to get) it is an autosomal connection to individuals purported to be in his family. But, I understand autosomal matches are not enough proof for Wikitree. Thanks again for your response.

posted by Tammy Duncan
edited by Tammy Duncan
Oconostota's wife or wives are completely unknown. There is only one record that mentions a wife at all and that is from the Henderson Purchase in 1775 where it is recorded that she tried to prevent her husband from signing the agreement. Anything that you find on the Internet that suggests he had more than one wife or provides any names is simply fiction. Yes, he probably had more than one child, but the Cherokee were matrilineal, so biological fathers were not even considered blood relatives. Children belonged to their mother and her mother's siblings. The Terrapin may not have even been a biological son of Oconostota, a woman's children were considered sons and daughters by all of her siblings.

Oconostota was cared for by Joseph Martin and his Cherokee partner, Nancy Ward's daughter Betsy, at the end of his life, so it's unlikely that he had any living daughters at that time.

posted by Kathie (Parks) Forbes
edited by Kathie (Parks) Forbes
Kathie,

I understand that the Cherokee were matrilineal as were most Native Americans. But Cherokee children do have biological fathers even if the tribe did not consider them to be a relative.

Additionally, it is highly likely he had more than one wife and a few children. Those descendants are walking around today. I am not willing to discount autosomal DNA matches as a source of potential relationship to a person or persons.

I respect that you are of an opinion that the scant bit of historical information we have about Oconostota is the only way relationship can be determined or denied. I just do not agree with that approach. I have found through my own research on other lines that historical documentation can become fiction with DNA.

Certainly, proving relationship to any Native American male would be difficult if the only way is Y or mitochondrial DNA. In fact, I believe I read in a thread that these types of DNA evidence would to be the only acceptable evidence to prove Jennie Conrad's relationship to Oconostota for Wikitree barring the discovery of new historical documentation. Therefore, it is highly unlikely anyone will ever be a proven descendant of Oconostota.

posted by Tammy Duncan
There is no way to prove a relationship between Jennie "Conrad" and Oconostota since he has no documented descendants with whom to compare. It might be possible to prove a descent from a common female ancestor (or at least prove that it could be possible) through MtDNA testing between Conrad and Hicks descendants if there is a direct female line. It also might be possible to confirm a relationship between those families and descendants of Thomas Fox Taylor, again only through MtDNA.
posted by Kathie (Parks) Forbes
This is a duplicate profile. Please merge. The name of Oconostota's wife is unknown. He had only one known child, a son named Tuckasee.
posted on Tsa-La-Gi-2 (merged) by Kathie (Parks) Forbes
Tsa-La-Gi-2 and Cherokee-61 appear to represent the same person because: Oconostota had no surname, so tribe name is used as LNAB
posted by Kathie (Parks) Forbes
Detached "Catherine Gunter" Cherokee-242 as spouse. No connection to Oconostota, she was a child when he died.
posted by Kathie (Parks) Forbes
Please merge. There never was a "Moytoy" family; tribe name is used since he had no surname. He had only one known child, a son.
posted on Moytoy-228 (merged) by Kathie (Parks) Forbes
Moytoy-228 and Cherokee-61 appear to represent the same person because: Clearly meant to be the same person. There is no "Moytoy" family, he had no surname so tribe name is used.
posted by Kathie (Parks) Forbes
Oconostota-23 and Cherokee-61 appear to represent the same person because: No surnames at this time, tribe name is used
posted by Kathie (Parks) Forbes
This is a duplicate of an existing profile, please approve the merge.
posted on Oconostota-25 (merged) by Kathie (Parks) Forbes
Oconostota-25 and Cherokee-61 appear to represent the same person because: based on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oconostota it would appear these were intended to be the same person.
posted by Robin Lee
Moytoy-74 and Cherokee-61 appear to represent the same person because: Tribe name is used for people witn no LNAB. Moytoy is not a surname
posted by Kathie (Parks) Forbes
Can we merge this profile into the real Oconostota?
posted on Moytoy-74 (merged) by Kathie (Parks) Forbes
Do we risk having someone come along and recreate him if we merge him away? If you don't think so, then sure, go ahead and merge him away.
posted on Moytoy-74 (merged) by Jillaine Smith
I don’t think so, Oconostota comes right up in a search now.
posted on Moytoy-74 (merged) by Kathie (Parks) Forbes
Okay, so do you mean Cherokee-61 for merging into?
posted on Moytoy-74 (merged) by Jillaine Smith
Yes. I removed the rejected match and proposed a new one.
posted on Moytoy-74 (merged) by Kathie (Parks) Forbes
Unknown-374230 and Cherokee-61 appear to represent the same person because: There are no records of Cherokee people this early. There should be one profile for the real person, LNAB Cherokee since he had no surname.
posted by Kathie (Parks) Forbes
There are no records for any Cherokee people this early. Oconostota was born about 1710, died 1783. Black Fox/Enoli was an even later man (he died in 1811) Can we merge this Oconostota into the real person, Cherokee-61, please?
posted on Unknown-374230 (merged) by Kathie (Parks) Forbes
I’ve proposed a merge with the real Oconostota; it’s still waiting for approval. If Prudence Staley even existed she was not Cherokee and was married to a later Christopher Choate.
posted on Moytoy-224 (merged) by Kathie (Parks) Forbes
I'm fairly new to WikiTree, but can Oconostota be removed from this pedigree, since there is no real evidence he belongs here? If he belongs here, that would make him my direct ancestor. I would have no problem with that, if I found the evidence of it convincing, but, from what I can see, there is no evidence of it at all. Better to leave a space unfilled than to fill it with a spurious ancestor.
posted on Moytoy-224 (merged) by Richard Stevens II
Moytoy-224 and Cherokee-61 appear to represent the same person because: There is no “Moytoy” family. Clear duplicate
posted by Kathie (Parks) Forbes
This is a duplicate profile. There was no “Moytoy” family; early Cherokee people had no surnames. There is no Cherokee connection for Prudence Staley, either.
posted on Moytoy-224 (merged) by Kathie (Parks) Forbes
No such person.
posted on Moytoy-74 (merged) by Kathie (Parks) Forbes
Kathie, Another one: did he exist?
posted on Moytoy-74 (merged) by Jillaine Smith
William Hicks has no connection to Oconostota, except in Wikipedia. I’ll work on Jennie.
posted by Kathie (Parks) Forbes
Kathie, can you add the info about the wives to the profile narrative, linking to the pertinent sources? (Should we make the current wife linked to above the narrative one of these two women? At a minimum we need to change the Moytoy LNAB, yes?

EDIT: woops. Wait. How is William Hicks associated with Oconosta? I'm getting confused.

Also, it would be great to add the info about Jennie to her profile.

I'm really liking how this profile is developing. A next step would be to add links to the profiles of the people mentioned in it.

posted by Jillaine Smith
Also, Ani waya means ‘Wolf Clan,’ so Jennie Ani waya, whoever she might have been, could not be the daughter of a woman from the Paint clan. Children have the clan of their mother and you cannot marry someone from your own clan.
posted by Kathie (Parks) Forbes
According to both the Moravian Diaries and Emmet Starr,William Hicks had two wives, Lydia Halfbreed and Sarah Foreman. Also, Oconostota was born in the early 1700’s; his children would have been 30-40 years older than William Hicks who was born about 1770.
posted by Kathie (Parks) Forbes
Moytoy-206 and Cherokee-61 appear to represent the same person because: This is a duplicate profile for Onconostata, please note that no parents have been identified for this man.
can a PM change his LNAB to Cherokee instead of Moytoy. The NA project uses the name of the Tribe for people born without a surname. thanks
Moytoy-195 and Moytoy-11 appear to represent the same person because: match
posted by Stephanie Stults
Moytoy-188 and Moytoy-11 appear to represent the same person because: same person
posted by [Living McQueen]
Removed Robin, she is Ostenaco's daughter.
posted by [Living McQueen]
Moytoy-187 and Moytoy-11 appear to represent the same person because: same person
posted by [Living McQueen]

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