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Thomas Musgrave (abt. 1417 - bef. 1457)

Thomas Musgrave
Born about in Westmorland, Englandmap
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Husband of — married [date unknown] [location unknown]
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Died before before about age 40 in Westmorland, Englandmap
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NOTE: Concerning the doubts about husbands, wives and children in this generation, see the special project page.

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Biography

Thomas was the son and heir of Sir Richard Musgrave and Elizabeth Betham of Hartley Castle and other lands in Westmorland.[1][2]

1446 Grant of Lands

On 22 April 1446 William Bernes and Katherine granted to Thomas de Musgrave, son of Sir Richard de Musgrave, all the lands and rents in Crosby Gerrard.[3]

Marriage

There are problems in the oldest records concerning which of the two Stapleton sisters married which of the two Musgrave brothers. See special project page. Evidence shows, however, that Thomas Musgrave married Joan or Joanna Stapleton, elder daughter of William Stapleton of Edenhall, Cumberland. By this marriage, the manor of Edenhall came to the Musgrave family.[1]

Issue

The disagreement concerning which brother was married to which sister carries to the next generation in terms of which of the sister were the parents of which children.

These are the generally accepted children :[4][5]

  • Margaret. m. John Sandford
  • Richard Musgrave. Eldest son and heir. m. Joan de Clifford
  • Eleanor. m. Christopher Lancaster
  • John. m (1) Crackenthorpe and (2) Dudley. (Sometimes said to have founded a line based in Musgrave Hall and Fairbank, but see his article.)
  • Nicholas Musgrave of Hayton. (Some sources place as 4th son, some as 3rd.) m. Margaret Colvill, co-heiress of Tilioll. Had issue.
  • William of Crookdake (or Crookdyke etc). (Some sources place as 4th son, some as 3rd.) m. (1) Phyllis Colvill, co-heiress of Tilioll and (2) a widow. Had issue.
  • Isabella. m. John Crackenthorp, Esq. of Newbiggin

Sometimes added to this family:

  • Mary. m. Nicolas Ridley. But see the 1563/4 and 1615 visitations where she is the one child clearly set apart for Richard Musgrave and Joan's sister Mary or Mariota (widow of one William Hylton and father of another).[4][5]

Death

Thomas died in the lifetime of his father. He was dead before October 1457 when his father-in-law's Inquisition Post Mortem reports that his daughter was a widow. The evidence is discussion in more detail on the special page mentioned above.

Sources

  1. 1.0 1.1 Cokayne, G. E. The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom (2d ed.) Vol. IX, p. 437
  2. The History and Antiquities of the Counties of Westmorland and Cumberland- Joseph Nicolson, Richard Burn, Strahan & Cadell, London, 1777- Vol. I, p. 594 HathiTrust
  3. Cumbria Archives, Reference: DMUS/2/10/56 https://archiveweb.cumbria.gov.uk/calmview/Record.aspx?src=CalmView.Catalog&id=DMUS%2f2%2f10%2f56&pos=1
  4. 4.0 4.1 The Visitations of Yorkshire in the Years 1563 and 1564 Internet Archive
  5. 5.0 5.1 The Heraldic Visitation of Westmoreland, Made in the Year 1615 Google Books
  • Tonge, Thomas, Heraldic Visitation of the Northern Counties in 1530 (Surtees Society, Vol. 41, 1863 p. 52 Google Books

See also:

  • Pedigrees of Some of the Emperor Charlemagne's Descendants- Vol.I, p.189




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So Alice Plantagenet is a ghost and not first wife of Thomas Musgrave? This is making my already confused ancestry more confusing. Joseph Howard R-BY14603 which is the same as Richard Musgraves line. Was he the son of Alice and Thomas. Was she the sister of the Duke of York? Joe
posted by Joseph Howard
There is a 1615 Visitation of Westmorland which says that Thomas Musgrave married Alice, daughter of Richard, earl of Cambridge and Maud Clifford. That would be Thomas Musgrave-789. But Thomas Musgrave-789 was dead by 1409, so he could not have married a daughter of Richard and Maud, who did not marry until about 1414 (see Complete Peerage). There is no other evidence of such a marriage.
posted by Mary Morgan
Eden valley Local Historian Adrian White might be able to shed more light on the Musgrave family. He has contact details in footnotes. Simon

https://aw-history.co.uk/files/module_document_pdfs/kirkby_stephen_church_-_fact_sheet.pdf

posted by Simon Walsh
The heir of Thomas was Richard. Where has he gone.
posted by Andrew Lancaster

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