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Phillip Müller (abt. 1660 - aft. 1739)

Phillip Müller
Born about in Mannweiler, Heiliges Römisches Reichmap
Son of and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
Husband of — married 1700 in Heiliges Römisches Reichmap
Descendants descendants
Father of , , , , , , , , , , and
Died after after about age 79 in West Camp, Ulster County, New Yorkmap
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Biography

Phillip Müller ... He was a cooper, noted in the Livingston Papers as one who would not follow orders. Henry Jones lists six children for Phillip and Anna Margaretha.

The principal crucial source for this profile is the entry in Jones (1985, 2, p. 666ff) for ‘Philipp Muller 1st. (Hunter Lists #527)’ .

There Jones explicitly identifies the wife of Philip Muller (Hunter #527) as Anna Margaretha Frölich daughter of Peter and Anna bp. Jan. 9 1662, who had been married to Werner Spohn (p. 983).

Thus his is the family of 8 on the Hunter list of June 1710.

Jones names children: Eva, Johan David implying a baptismal record, Maria Elisabetha, Johannes, Margaretha and Philip (667f).

In the list of the Fifth Party of Palatines that sailed July 15 1709 is Philippus Muller, wife and 8 children. (Knittle (1937) p. 268).

Unsourced Findagrave memorial says Philip and wife and 8 children were aboard Capt. Johan Enrit’s ship in 1709 and that 2 of those children died on the voyage. Also listed in the memorial are 6 children: Eva, Margariet, Anna Barbara, Johannes, Johannes David and Christina. The memorial suggests wife Anna Margaretha’s LNAB was Frolich,

Jones suggests the possibility that this is Filb Miller who was naturalized at Kingston Sept. 8 or 9 1715, “near to David Miller” (667)

Research Notes

Merged profile suggested (no source given) that Jones made an error in stating that this Anna was the wife of Philip Muller, suggesting that she was the daughter of Hans not of his brother Peter.

Sources

  • Palatine Families of New York: A Study of the German Immigrants Who Arrived in Colonial New York in 1710, by Henry Z. Jones, Jr. (Universal City, California 1985) Vol. II, p. 666, 667, 983.
  • ”Ulster County Naturalizations 1715”, NYGBR 103 (1972) 2, pp 85-88.
  • Passenger List: Immigrant Ships : Simmendinger Register Germany to England to New York, January 1710: Muhler, Philip and wif Anna Margaretha and 2 Children : Beekman's Land
  • Dutchess County, New York: The Settlers of the Beekman Patent, Vol. 8, pgs. 848-8
  • Find a Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com : accessed 26 June 2020), memorial page for Phillip Muller (1665–unknown), Find A Grave: Memorial #137341127, citing Eastern View Cemetery, West Camp, Ulster County, New York, USA ; Maintained by dmiller (contributor 48495673). [User-contributed content only. No gravestone image, no sources cited.]
  • New York, Early Records of the Lutheran Church, 1697-1771, pg. 49.




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Smith-62120 Ellen Smith
Muller-4232 and Müller-1042 appear to represent the same person because: Same name, same birthplace, same wife, similar dates (estimates); both profiles show emigration to New York in the Palatine migration period. It is apparent to me that these are intended to represent the same person; these are not two different people. As such, they need to be merged. Differences between sources of opinions regarding life details can be discussed in the text of the merged profile. LNAB of Müller reflects German orthography.
posted by Ellen Smith
Ruth Proffett
Notice to researchers of Philip Muller and his wife, Anna Margaretha Frolich. I, Ruth Proffett, have researched this couple, have credible and reliable sources that backup what is posted and yet I have been contacted by another that wants me to change the birth date of my great grandmother to fit their scenario so a supposed previous marriage and children can be added. Needless to say, I am not going to agree to this.
posted on Muller-4232 (merged) by Ruth Proffett
Smith-62120 Ellen Smith
Hi, Ruth. In order to collaborate effectively here on WikiTree, we need to be prepared to share the evidence we are using (sources) and explain how we have interpreted that evidence. It is not enough to assert that we have credible and reliable sources; we need to show our sources in the profiles we create. This is part of the Honor Code, which says: We cite sources. Without sources we can't objectively resolve conflicting information. Also, it is common to have some uncertainty regarding our ancestors, and one of the best gifts we can give our posterity might be to explain what we are not certain about some aspect of our ancestors (rather than pretending we are 100% sure of every detail).

Could you please document exactly what you know about this man and his wife, and where each fact came from? What (exactly) is said about this man, his wife, and other family in the various subsistence lists and other lists? (It may be necessary to cite different versions of a lists, as the versions do seem to conflict sometimes.) You say you disagree with some interpretations that Henry Jones reported. What exactly did he say, and why do you think it is wrong? I think it is best to put this information in the text section of the profile. For example, the text in a profile could say something like: "[Person] was a Palatine immigrant recorded in New York in 1710. [Author] suggests that she is the child baptized in [Place, Germany] on [Date] 1682,[Footnote giving source and page number] but she must have been born later than that if she is the woman of this name who is recorded as having a child baptized in 1735."

posted on Muller-4232 (merged) by Ellen Smith
Ruth Proffett
Muller-4232 and Müller-1042 are not ready to be merged because: Research has not been completed as to the disagreed upon information.
posted by Ruth Proffett
Rutherford-448 Dave Rutherford
Muller-4232 and Müller-1042 appear to represent the same person because: same person, please merge
posted by Dave Rutherford
John Balow
To me, and apparently to Jones, the resolution lies through the records of the two most visible Spohn descendants Henrich and Adam. In the entry for Henrich as Hunter List person #731, Jones points to Henrich’s Subsistence List entry as Muller born (natus; rather than ‘alias’) Spon and combines the Kocherthal records of his marriage and his brother Adam’s to identify them as sons of Werner and Anna Margaretha Spohn (p. 983f). He concludes the identification with churchbook records for the marriage of Anna Margaretha daughter of Peter Frölich to Werner Spohn in 1686, and her baptism as the daughter of Peter and Anna in 1662. He goes on to judge that that Anna Margaretha went on to marry Philip Muller Hunter id #527. That makes her part of the party of Philippus 1st on the departure list of the Fifth Party (Knittle 268). Barker resolves the question of the makeup of Henrich’s Subsistence List entry by proposing that it includes brother Adam and sister Anna Margaretha, but the ages fit better if it were Adam and Anna Elisabetha with Anna Margaretha already married to Wolven. The unsourced birthdate in the Findagrave memorial has been repeated in the FamilySearch profile with obvious problems with the accepted marriage date 8 years later.
posted by John Balow
Ruth Proffett
Muller-4232 and Müller-1042 are not ready to be merged because: The outstanding unresolved issues are still unanswered: 1. the wife of Philip Muller, was she the daughter of Peter or his brother Hanns Henrich? Was she born 24 Feb 1678 as her gravestone evidences? Was she the person listed on the Immigrant Ships Transcribers Guild Simmendinger Register Germany via England to New York January, 1710, with only 2 children to her credit? And if this is all true and correct the question has to be asked if you hang your hat on the supposition that she was the wife of Werner Spohn before she married Philip Muller and had children by Spohn, where are the Spohn children? They are not listed on the ships passenger list, nor in the Palatine Families of New York, nor in The Settlers of the Beekman Patent. "Research" means carrying-out or following through, in other words, find the children. We can account for the Muller children, where they were baptised and who they married.
posted by Ruth Proffett
John Balow
Muller-4232 and Müller-1042 appear to represent the same person because: Sorry. I meant to remove the Unmerged match to go ahead with the merge.
posted by John Balow
Rutherford-448 Dave Rutherford
Muller-4232 and Müller-1042 appear to represent the same person because: clearly the same man and these should be merged; slight discrepancy with birth date, but both dates appear to be estimates
posted by Dave Rutherford

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