| Mary (Unknown) Townsend migrated to New England during the Puritan Great Migration (1621-1640). Join: Puritan Great Migration Project Discuss: pgm |
Contents |
This profile was previously attached as the daughter of Phillipe Newgate and his wife Jane (Hoo) Newgate. Their son John Newgate, of Boston, in his will refers to Thomas Townsend of Lynn as his "brother-in-law." The reference to "brother-in-law" is ambiguous, and may also mean that Mary was a sister of John Newgate's third wife Anne, whose surname is unknown. There is a baptism in parish records for John Newgate, but no record of a Mary Newgate born to Philip and Jane has been found.[1]
Have you taken a DNA test? If so, login to add it. If not, see our friends at Ancestry DNA.
Featured National Park champion connections: Mary is 12 degrees from Theodore Roosevelt, 21 degrees from Stephanus Johannes Paulus Kruger, 12 degrees from George Catlin, 13 degrees from Marjory Douglas, 22 degrees from Sueko Embrey, 12 degrees from George Grinnell, 23 degrees from Anton Kröller, 12 degrees from Stephen Mather, 18 degrees from Kara McKean, 13 degrees from John Muir, 15 degrees from Victoria Hanover and 25 degrees from Charles Young on our single family tree. Login to find your connection.
[Do you know Mary's family name?] | T > Townsend > Mary (Unknown) Townsend
Categories: Puritan Great Migration | Western Burial Ground, Lynn, Massachusetts
Re: those ancestry sources, unfortunately they are all problematic and here's why.
New England Marriages to 1700 (Torrey) is not technically a source, he is best described as an uncritical aggregator of sources. With respect to this marriage, he did not claim a last name for Mary, just used the underline symbol indicating unknown. He simply noted that Thomas Townsend was described as the brother-in-law of John Newgate which is already discussed on this profile and does not prove her surname. If you'd like to look further into this, a few of the sources Torrey cited were NEHGR articles 13:334, 29:106, 33:61 (signature), 88:80. Actually this is a big problem with the ancestry.com presentation of Torrey's work, they don't (if I recall correctly) list his sources and more importantly his short-hand like question marks indicating whether a surname came from a marriage record. You can see that on americanancestors.org which does require a subscription. You can see the original scanned images of Torrey for free on familysearch that includes his sources etc but it is incredibly hard to read his messy tiny handwriting.
"US and International Marriages" on ancestry is an auto-aggregated database of "stuff" that includes completely unsourced user submissions and even user queries to genealogy websites, so it is about as far from reliable as can be. If you can actually trace any given entry to find the true source behind it, then you can use it as a "hint" to find actual sources. Ancestry themselves describes it as "...extracted from a variety of sources including family group sheets and electronic databases. Originally, the information was derived from an array of materials including pedigree charts, family history articles, querie."
Re: the Alabama US Surnames "source", the less said the better. It is self-described as "... providing biographical information on individuals who lived in Alabama." which raises obvious question number one. It is also described as containing "...newspaper clippings, obituaries, local and family histories, donated family research and records, extracts from censuses, research requests made to the archives, and other items." i.e. a bunch of stuff from who knows where of completely variable quality. Again, if you can find the real source behind it, then it can be useful as a hint or guide but is absolutely not considered a reliable source. Here is a list of PGM reliable sources, most projects on WikiTree have their own list focused on particular geographies or time periods. https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:Puritan_Great_Migration_Project_Reliable_Sources
I'm not trying to be discouraging, I hope this helps you cast a more critical eye on sources for genealogy facts and assertions. Thanks for helping keep WikiTree genealogy at a high level of quality.
edited by Brad Stauf
Mary Newgate in the U.S. and International Marriage Records, 1560-1900 Name Mary Newgate Gender Female Spouse Name Thomas Townsend Spouse Birth Year 1594
Additional Source Alabama US Surnames Thomas Townsend born Norfolk England Jan 8 1595 He removed to New England during the Puritan migration between 1630-1635 he married Mary Newgate of Boston and had five children Thomas, Samuel, John, Andrew, Elizabeth. He was granted 60 acres of land in Lynn Mass. in 1638. He was made a freeman on March 14, 1639. He died Dec 22 1677.
edited by Brad Stauf
ready for merges to be completed
Cheryl, PGM Co-Leader
There is two other profiles that should merge into this. One is a pending merge, the other an Unmerged Match. The latter has no info in it, but is only Public rather than Open. So, once the name on this profile is changed, please lock it to prevent name changes. Thank you.
edited by Mike Dobson
John b. 1610; this one needs to be deleted from the family.
Henry b. 1626, is born abt. 4 yrs before the marriage and should be deleted.
Lydia b. 1630 is probably fine.
Richard b. 1631 is fine.
John b. 1635 is fine.
Samuel b. 1638 is fine.
John b. 1640 is fine.
Elizabeth b. 1644 is probably borderline age wise for the mother, but the next
John b. 1674 simply cannot be and should be deleted.
Mary and Thomas appear to be my 10th GG Parents so I am very interested in helping to fix this if that would be OK? Joan Williams Wagner, 27 Jul 16.