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Aveline (Hesdin) de Hesdin (abt. 1080 - aft. 1126)

Aveline "Ada, Ameline" de Hesdin formerly Hesdin
Born about [location unknown]
Wife of — married about 1105 in Englandmap [uncertain]
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Died after after about age 46 in Shropshire, Englandmap
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Biography

Name

  • Ava[1]
  • Aveline de Hesdin[2] [3]
  • Aveline de Hesding[4]
  • Avelina de Hesding, domina Norton. [5]
  • Adeline [Aveline] (-after 1126). “Alanus filius Flaaldi et Adelina uxor mea” donated property to Castle Acre Priory by undated charter[1704]. [6]

Surname: The name Hesdin has been retained as Current Last Name because (a) she would never have been called FitzFlaald or FitzWalter (b) she sued for dower under the name de Hesdin after the death of her first husband. [7]

Given Name: Several deeds call her Aveline. One deed calls her Adeline, but that could be a miscopy. One Adelize was said by Dugdale to be the same person, but probably wasn't. [7]

Parents

Aveline was the daughter of Arnoul de Hesdin, in Picardie, and his wife Emmeline. [8]

Her parentage is confirmed by Orderic Vitalis who records that Ernulf de Hesdin was avunculus (uncle) of "William fitz Alan castellan and vicecomes of Shrewsbury". [8][6]

Aurnulf, Signor de Hesding of Picardy, of whom Adeliza de Hesding was a younger daughter, held great estates in England at the time of the Domesday Book in 1086.[5]

Her parents were Arnulf, Seigneur de Hesdin, and his wife Ameline de Lacey [2]

Wikipedia notes her as Avelina de Hesdin, daughter of Ernulf de Hesdin.[9]

Ada or Avelina's father Ernoulf de Hesdin was killed on crusade at Antioch. Ernulf de Hesdin had been the tenant-in-chief in ten counties at the time of Domesday. [10]

Eyton rejected, for lack of evidence, the alternate theory that Avelina was the "dau(ghter) and heir of Warine, Sheriff of Shropshire, temp. William the Conqueror." as reported by Dugdale. The underlying reasoning seems to be that Alan held the lands formerly held by the sheriffs of the county and goes back at least as far as William Dugdale, but it was rejected by Eyton,[65] not least because of lack of any evidence. [10]

Round traced the elder Ernulf's activities in Picardy and confirmed that he had a daughter, called Ava in this context, who was named as one of those consenting to a charter granting family holdings at Hesdin to the Priory of St George, a Benedictine house subject to Anchin Abbey and located by Vieil-Hesdin, the original site of the town of Hesdin. The priory's record of the grant makes clear that Ernulf was riding in the entourage of William Rufus and returning to England at the time.[10]

1080 Birth

Aveline's father Ernulf is named with property in Domesday, so assume she was born in England. [10]

Alan grew up in Brittany where he met Henry and came to England, and received responsibilities, with Henry's arrival. [10]

Avelina De Hesding was born about 1080 in Picardy, France, the daughter of Ernulf, who was born about 1038 in Hesdin. [11]

No documentation of a birth year, however, has been found. Her father Arnulf is shown born in 1038 (died 1097, First Crusade), and her mother Emmeline shown born 1040 (died 1111). Her siblings Marilda and Warine are both shown born 1065, when her parents would have been 27 and 25, respectively. Her own children are currently shown with birth years of 1103, 1105, and 1110. This would suggest that Aveline herself married shortly before these dates , and was born no later than 1080.

Her first marriage to Alan is estimated as 1101, in England, soon after King Henry's accession to the throne.

Placing her birth would at 1080 would make her aged 21 at the time of her marriage.

Her father Ernulf either accompanied William the Conqueror at Hastings in 1066, or came to England soon thereafter, acquiring large estates by the time of Domesday in 1086. It is therefore not certain whether Aveline was born in Picardy or in England.

Siblings

Ernulph II

Ernulph II Hesding was born 1068 in Hesdin, Pas-de-Calais, France. [4]

Arnoul (Ernulf) de Hesdin was killed in 1138. [12]

Orderic Vitalis records that Ernulf de Hesdin was avunculus of "William fitz Alan castellan and vicecomes of Shrewsbury" and was hanged by King Stephen after the battle of Shrewsbury in 1138[1700]. [12]

1101 First Marriage to Alan FitzFlaald

In about 1101 Avelina married Alan FitzFlaald. Cawley notes, without further elaboration that Adeline (Aveline) de Hesdin was the second wife of Alan Fitz Flaald. [13]

Adeline married firstly, in the period 1100-1105, as his second wife, Alain FitzFlaald, son of Flaald, Seneschal of Dol & his wife --- Alain died before 1114. [6][2]

It is assumed that her [first] marriage took place early in the reign of Henry I (1100-1135) King of England, since Henry sponsored her husband’s rise to prominence in England as shown by the king’s charters in which he is named. [8][6]

Henry I King of England confirmed an agreement between the bishop of Norwich and "Avelinam de Hesding" concerning "terra de Ettona" by charter dated to [1121/27]. [12]

At the time she was a wealthy heiress. [14]

Her father, a vassal of King Henry I, having died in the First Crusade, responsibility for seeing her married well would have fallen to Henry, and granting Avelina to Alan would have been a sign of Henry's favor to Alan.

Therefore estimate the marriage to have taken place in England, soon after Alan's arrival, say, 1101. Their three sons would then be born in the years soon following.

Alan gained a stake in the very large estates of Ernulf de Hesdin by marriage to his daughter, Avelina.[10]

A charter of Henry II King of England, dated 1176, recites donations to Haughmond abbey including that of "Willielmus filius Alani" of "terram de Piperinges" previously enjoyed by "Aveline matris ipsius Willielmi filius Alani"[1708]. [12]

“Alanus filius Flaaldi et Adelina uxor mea” donated property to Castle Acre Priory by undated charter[1704]. [12]

1105 Property Donation to Castle Acre Priory, Norfolk

Between their marriage in 1105 and his death in 1114, “Alanus filius Flaaldi et Adelina uxor mea” donated property to Castle Acre Priory by undated charter. [8]

Donations to Haughton Abbey

A charter of Henry II King of England, dated 1176, recites donations to Haughmond abbey including that of "Willielmus filius Alani" of "terram de Piperinges" previously enjoyed by "Aveline matris ipsius Willielmi filius Alani". [8] [6]

The Historia sancti Petri Gloucestriæ records that "Robertus filius Walteri et Avelina uxor eius" donated "ecclesiam de Nortone", as previously donated by "Elmelina mater Avelinæ ante plures annos". [6]

"Robertus filius Walteri et Avelina uxor sua" donated "ecclesiam de Northona" to Gloucester St Peter by undated charter. [6]

“Margareta uxor Hamonis de Sancto Claro” donated “Stoches...manerium meum cum suis appendiciis de Sudfolchia et Norfolc...sicut...michi pater meus concessit” to Colchester St. John, for the souls of “patris mei Roberti et Aueline matris mee et Johannis fratris mei”, by undated charter. [8][6]

1114 Gift to Burton Abbey

Early researcher, Eyton, read in Dugdale's History of Warwickshire that in 1114, Adeliza made a gift of land to Burton Abbey. [9]

1121 Death of First Husband Alan and Property Donation

Alan died between 1114 and 1121.

Alan died 1114[2]

Eyton states that Dugdale intimates that "Dame Adeliza" who donated land at Wolston to Burton abbey, by charter dated to before 1114, was Alan FitzFlaad’s widow and the mother of "Sibil" who with her husband Roger de Freville confirmed her mother’s donation by charter dated 1132[940]. [8][6]

1121 Agreement with Bishop of Norwich

Henry I King of England confirmed an agreement between the bishop of Norwich and "Avelinam de Hesding" concerning "terra de Ettona" by charter dated to [1121/27] [8][6]

1122 Second Marriage to Robert Fitzwalter of Caen

Adeline (Aveline), widow of Alain FitzFlaald, married, as her second husband, Robert FitzWalter, of Caen. [8] "Robertus filius Walteri et Avelina uxor sua" donated "ecclesiam de Northona" to Gloucester St Peter by undated charter[936]. [8][6]

Aveline remarried Robert fitz Walter of Caen. It's unclear whether he was the same person as Robert fitz Walter of Woodham Ferrers or Robert fitz Walter of Horsford or neither. [7]

A family connection between Robert FitzWalter and the Giffard family of Gloucestershire is suggested by the undated charter under which "Walterus Giffardus" granted land "in Ullingwike", including part "quæ fuit Roberti filii Walterii", to "Gilberto Giffardo fratri meo"[937]. [8][6]

No children have been shown of this union. If she was still a widow in 1121, and had died 5 years later, estimate her second marriage for the year 1122.

After Alan's death, Avelina married, as her 2nd husband, Robert fitz Walter, Sheriff of Norfolk and Suffolk.[9] as shown in a grant, dated no earlier than 1126, of their church at Chipping Norton to Gloucester Abbey.[10]

1126 Aveline's Death

Aveline de Hesdin died about 1126. [2] she died about 1126 in Oswestry, Shropshire, England[5]

Aveline died after 1126. [8][2]

1110 Dol, Ille-et-Vilaine, Bretagne, France[15]

Issue

Confirmed Children of Aveline de Hesdin and Alan fitz Flaald o#Jordan FitzAlan , b. 1103 Tuxford, Nottinghamshire. Jordan FitzAlan[2] Jordan FitzFlaald[5]Jordan FitzAlan, Seneschal of Dol; [5]Jordan Fitzalan, [5]

  1. Walter FitzAlan, b. 1105 Bretagne, France. Walter The Steward, b. Abt 1100, Breton? - Son Of Sheriff Alan Fitzflaad. Walter Fitzalan, High Steward, b. Abt 1106, Of, Paisley Abbey, Renfrewshire, Scotland. Walter FitzAlan, 1st Great Steward+ d. 1177[2] Walter fitz Alan, 1st Great Steward of Scotland b. 1105, Oswestry Castle, Shropshire, England; d. c 1177[5] Walter FitzAlan, 1st High Steward of Scotland; [5]Walter FitzAlan, [5]
  2. William FitzAlan, b. 1110 William Fitz Alan, I, Lord Of Oswestrie, b. Abt 1110, Of, Oswestrie, Shropshire, England. William FitzAlan[2] William Fitzalan b. 1110 Oswestry Castle, Shropshire, England[5] William FitzAlan, Sr., Lord of Oswestry, High Sheriff of Shropshire; [5]William Fitzalan and [5]

The following children were linked to Alan and wife Aveline de Hesdin. There is no documentation for these children so they have been de-linked pending further review:

  1. Rhiwallon FitzAlan[5]
  2. William FitzAlan
  3. Adelina (FitzAlan) Oswestry. Also, Adelina FitzAlan, of Oswestry, Adeliza De Hesdin, Adelina (Oswestry) Fitzalan, [5]
  4. Sibil FitzAlan . Also, Sibil (FitzAlan) de Freville[5]

Research Notes

Was there a brother Rotro?

No contemporary or reliable sources have been found for a brother Rotro.

Rotro de Hesdin

Rotrou de Hesging b: 1073 in Hesdin, Pas-de-Calais, France[4]

By his wife Ameline, who gave to the Abbey of Bee Hellomin in Normandy, the manor of Comb, Ernulph had a son, Rotro, and two daus. one of whom, Magdalen, mar. Marius IV., King of Navarre. [11]

The other dau. Levitha, became a nun at Shouldham. Rotro de Hesding was created Earl of Perche and Mortagne, and filled the office of Governor of Perche for twenty years. He «i»m. «/i»first Maud, natural dau. of Henry I., and by her, who was drowned 26 Nov. 1119, had an only dau. Margaret, who «i»m. «/i»Henry Novo Burgo, the first Earl of Warwick of the Norman line, youngest son of the Earl of Mellent. [11]

He died 1123, and his widow survived till 1136. [11]

Rotro «i»m. «/i»2ndly, a Saxon lady, by whom he was ancestor of William de Hesding, whose name of William was borne by the eldest son of every succeeding generation down to 1783. [11]

Sources

  1. John Horace Round, ed, Calendar of Documents Preserved in France, Illustrative of the History of Great Britain and Ireland, (London: Printed for Her Majesty's Stationery Office by Eyre and Spottiswoode, 1899), I:481-2, Digital Image Internet Archive (https://archive.org/stream/calendardocumen00roungoog#page/n542/mode/2up accessed 2 October 2017). No 1326.
  2. 2.0 2.1 2.2 2.3 2.4 2.5 2.6 2.7 2.8 Marlyn Lewis. Our Royal Titled Noble and Commoner Ancestors. Arnulf Last edited 18 Aug 2013. Accessed December 6, 2017. jhd
  3. Gerald Paget. The Lineage and Ancestry of HRH Prince Charfles, Vol 1, p. 211. Cited by Marlyn Lewis. Our Royal Titled Noble and Commoner Ancestors. Aveline de Hesdin Last edited 26 Dec 2010. Accessed Dec 6, 2017. jhd
  4. 4.0 4.1 4.2 Col Heading. My Heading Family Ernulph de Hesding Updated May 15, 2017. Accessed December 7. 2017. jhd
  5. 5.00 5.01 5.02 5.03 5.04 5.05 5.06 5.07 5.08 5.09 5.10 5.11 5.12 5.13 5.14 Geni. Avelina de Hesding, domina Norton Accessed Dec 28, 2017 jhd
  6. 6.00 6.01 6.02 6.03 6.04 6.05 6.06 6.07 6.08 6.09 6.10 6.11 Charles Cawley. Foundation for Medieval Genealogy. Medieval Lands Database. Arnoul (Ernulf) de Hestin Accessed December 7, 2017. jhd
  7. 7.0 7.1 7.2 Research of R J Horace, 3 August 2016
  8. 8.00 8.01 8.02 8.03 8.04 8.05 8.06 8.07 8.08 8.09 8.10 8.11 Charles Cawley. Foundation for Medieval Genealogy. Medieval Lands Database. Robert FitzWalter of Caen Accessed December 6, 2017. jhd
  9. 9.0 9.1 9.2 Wikipedia contributors, Alan fitz Flaad July 5, 2015, accessed July 11, 2015
  10. 10.0 10.1 10.2 10.3 10.4 10.5 10.6 Wikipedia Alan fitz Flaad Last Edited, 26 December 2010. Accessed December 27 2017. jhd
  11. 11.0 11.1 11.2 11.3 11.4 John Bernard Burke, Esq. A Visitation of The Seats and Arms of Noblemen and Gentlemen of Great Britain. 1853. Vol 11, page 61. Cited by Col Heading. My Heading Family Ernulph de Hesding Updated May 15, 2017. Accessed December 7. 2017. jhd
  12. 12.0 12.1 12.2 12.3 12.4 Cawley, Charles. Medieval Lands: A Prosopography of Medieval European Noble and Royal Families, Online at Foundation for Medieval Genealogy Website. Entry for Arnoul de Hesdin Accessed 9 March 2022.
  13. Charles Cawley. Foundation for Medieval Genealogy. Medieval Lands Database. Earls of Arundel - FitzAlan William FitzAlan Accessed December 27, 2017. jhd
  14. Paul A. Fox. The Archbishops of Dol and the Origin of the Stewarts Foundations (2009) 3 (1): 61-76. Copyright FMG and the author. Accessed December 29, 2017. jhd
  15. Note: http://search.Ancestry.com.au/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=millind&h=10823942&ti=5544&indiv=try&gss=pt Note: Birth date: 1081Birth place: Pas-de-Calais, of Pas-De-Calais, FranceDeath date: 1126Death place:

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The birthplace of Calvert Co., Province of Maryland is incorrect.
posted by Wayne Tolmachoff
Thanks, Somehow my computer wen t wild and started adding Province of Maryland to a number of 1000 year old English profiles. At random, I think, and now they're turning up!
posted by Jack Day
The sibling Rotro has no reliable source and seems to derive from 19th century errors
posted by Andrew Lancaster
I moved Rotro down to research notes with a question. When this profile gets a good re-write one of the important features of the re-write will ge to identify the various fallacies that have grown up over time and are currently in circulation!
posted by Jack Day
Alan FitzFlaad (d. c1114), a Breton knight, was granted the feudal barony of Oswestry by King Henry I who, soon after his accession, invited Alan to England with other Breton friends, and gave him forfeited lands in Norfolk and Shropshire, including some which had previously belonged to Ernoulf de Hesdin (killed at Antioch while on crusade) and Robert de Belleme.

Alan's duties to the Crown included supervision of the Welsh border. He also founded Sporle Priory in Norfolk. He married Ada or Adeline, daughter of Ernoulf de Hesdin. Their eldest son William was made High Sheriff of Shropshire by King Stephen in 1137. He married a niece of Robert of Gloucester. But two of their younger sons, Walter and Simon, travelled to Scotland in the train of King David I, Walter becoming the first heredita

posted by Edwin Donaldson III
De Hesdin-28 and Hesdin-7 appear to represent the same person because: Connected through husband Alan FitzFlaad. Birth/death dates and locations are almost exactly the same.
posted by Bob Fields