Cornelis (Liermans) Olivier
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Cornelis (Liermans) Olivier (bef. 1673 - bef. 1714)

Cornelis "Ockers, Ockersz, Ockertsz" Olivier formerly Liermans
Born before in Cape of Good Hopemap
Ancestors ancestors
Husband of — married 22 Nov 1699 in Cape of Good Hope, Dutch Cape Colonymap
Descendants descendants
Died before at about age 41 in Hazekraal, Cape of Good Hopemap
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Table Bay, South Africa (1762)
Cornelis (Liermans) Olivier was part of the settlement of the Dutch Cape Colony.
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Biography

SAG nr.

a2b1 [1] / b2 [2][3][4]

Name

Cornelis Oliver [2][5][6] [7] / Cornelis Ockertsz Olivier [1] / Cornelis Ockersz [3] / Cornelis Ockersz Olivier [4][8] / Cornelis Ockers [9] / Cornelis Ockers Visser [10]
Cornelis staan bekend as:
Eers Cornelis Liermans (by geboorte ook bekend as Willemse)
Cornelis Ocker (as kind en volwassene) en later as Cornelis Olivier. [11]

Birth

Date: Conelis Ockersz Oliver was born abt 1673 [3][9] / bef 27 Aug 1673 [2][10] / [in] 1674. [1][4]

Parents

Son of Ockert Olivier and Maria Visser. [12] / Cornelis Cornelis Olivier was die seun van Ockert Olivier gebore uit 'n buite egtelike verhouding met Maria Visser. [11][13]

Baptism

Date: 27 Aug 1673 [3][9][14][15][16]
Place, Dutch reformed Church, Cape of Good Hope [3][14] / [Cape Town, South Africa] [9]
Child: Cornelis [14]
Father: Not in records, later established as Ockert Cornelisz Olivier [14]
Mother: Maria Liermans (Visser)(*see also 25 July 1675)[12][15][16]
den 27 August's, Een soontje van Maria, Liermans -------- wert genaamt Cornelis [16]

Marriage

Date: 1699-11-12 [17]
Event Place: Dutch Reformed Church, Cape of Good Hope [17]
Groom: Cornelis Ockers [17]
Bride: Anna Rigman [17]
page 94 (folio 54v) 22/11/1699 trou "Cornelis Ockers van de Caap jongm met Anna Rigman van de Caap jongd.] [17]
The Orphan Masters report a request for her hand in marriage. Pupillin die mogen trouwen: 6/11/1699 versoek van Vrijburger Cornelis Ockerszoon om met het weesdogterje Anna Rigman in den egten staat te mogen treeden aangesien dat sij al bij de 14 jaren o en de persoon voormaamt in staat is om het dogtertje te kunnen onderhouden. [11]
Daar word na hom verwys as Cornelis Ockers en Cornelis Ockerszoon in dieselfde dokument. [11]

Residence

Ockert Olivier was kneg van Willem Willemse; Alhoewel daar na hom verwys word as kneght van Willem Willemse kon daar geen dokumentasie vir hierdie feit gevind word nie. [11] Hy was die eienaar van die plaas "Hazekraal" (Volgens Pama II). Hy en sy ouer sussie Dina was buite-egtelike kinders van Maria Janse Visser. [13]

Death

Date: Conelis Ockersz Oliver passed away about 1713 [3] / [in] 1713 [1][4][10] / about 1714 [2] / before Oct 14, 1714. [18]
Event Place: Cape of Good Hope
Residence: "Hazekraal"
Husband of: Anna Ryckmann aka Richman, van Weij
Survivinging Minor Children: 4
Maria ter andere zijde
Cathrijn
Johannes
Sara Ockersz
The inventory of his deceased estate (MOOC 8/2, 119 dated 14 October 1714) lists their very few worldly possessions whose total value of Rdrs 176:40 is entirely swallowed up by their long list of modest debts which totaled Rdrs 179:70 [18]
Reference no.: MOOC8/2.119
Testator(s): Cornelis Ockersz
Date: 16 October 1714
C: v: Beaumont :
MOOC8/2.119,Inventaris en taxatie der goederen naergelaten en met er doot ontruijmt bij wijlen den lanbouwer Cornelis Ockersz ten voordeele van desselfs naergelatene wed:e Anna van der Weij ter eenre, en desselfs vier minderjarige naergelate kinderen als Maria ter andere zijde , Cathrijn, Johannes en Sara Ockersz [18]

Gebeurtenisse (Afrikaans)

Willemse maak 'n hottentot dood en vlug op 'n Deense skip, later kom hy terug word gearresteer en na Robbeneiland gestuur. Toe hy sy vonnis uitegedien het kom hy by sy huis aan en vind sy kinders het met 2 vermeerder. Hulle was die kinders van Ockert Olivier. [11]
In die kerregisters is die twee kinders gedoop as die kinders van Maria (Visser) Liermans. [12]
Willemse dagvaar sy vrou vir egbreek .Tydens die hofsitting word Ockert Olivier as die wettige vader van Dina en Cornelis aangetoon. Die egpaar Willemse word deur die hof beveel om op aparte skepe na Batavia te vertrek. Hierdie besluit is geneem omdat die egpaar geweldig baklei het. [19]
Die Hof beveel dat Ocker Corneelisz Olievier op Robben eiland geplaas moet word tot tyd en wyl die Willemse Egpaar vertrek. Die twee Olivier kinders word agter gelaat, met Olivier wat geldelik vir hulle moes sorg. Die stelling dat Ocker Corneelisz se twee kinders in die sorg van Jan Grof (Jan Coenraed Visser, Maria Liermans Visser se vader) geplaas is, is nie heeltemaal waar nie. Ek het al meerdere kere die stelling gesien. Dit kom deur 'n verkeerde interpretasie bo die algenoemde resolusie (C. 9, pp. 98-104). Ek haal aan: "den voors. pol Ocker Cornelisz tot ter tijt sij beijde sijn vertrocken op 't Robbeneijlandt te plaatsen, en wanneer comt te retourneeren, gehouden sijn sal de voors. twee kinderen die hij bij voors. Willem Willemsz huijsvrou in onecht heeft gewonnen, behoorlijck te onderhouden en dat middelerwijle tot de tijt van haar vertreck, de kinderen in echt tusschen haar en haar voors. man geprocereert, sullen werden gealimenteert van den borger Jan Coenraed Visser, als daar van de grootvader en dienvolgende wel de naaste daartoe wesende." Daar staan twee aparte bevele [14]:
a: Ocker Cornelisz ... gehouden sijn sal de voors. twee kinderen die hij bij voors. Willem Willemsz huijsvrou in onecht heeft gewonnen, behoorlijck te onderhouden - dit sê dat Ocker sy twee (onegte) kinders behoorlik moet onderhou.
b: en dat middelerwijle tot de tijt van haar vertreck, de kinderen in echt tusschen haar en haar voors. man geprocereert, sullen werden gealimenteert van den borger Jan Coenraed Visser, als daar van de grootvader en dienvolgende wel de naaste daartoe wesende. - dit sê, dat vir tyd en wyl, totdat die egpaar vertrek, die kinders van Willem en sy vrou (in echt tussen haar en haar voors. man geprocereert: m.a.w. nie die onegte kinders), in die sorg van hulle Oupa geplaas moet word. [14]
Hier word duidelik 'n onderskeid gemaak tussen die onegte en die egte kinders. Die van Ockert is oneg en die van Willem is eg. Hieruit volg dat Ocker self moet kyk waar hy sy twee kinders plaas, een dat die egpaar Van Deventer hulle eie kinders saamvat na Batavia toe (in werklikheid het hulle in Mauritius beland). [14]
Daar word nou na die twee kinders verwys as Dina Ocker en Cornelis Ocker. Die van Olivier word welliswaar later bygevoeg en kom voor in dokumentasie van die Caap de Goede Hoop. [11]

Events (English)

It should read Cornelis Liermans Willemsz Ockers and Olivier in the very end. Why - here is the story:
Willem Wilemse of Deventer, who, in 1672, shot a hottentot:
5 July 1672: Ockert Cornelissen Olivier: “Master! What are you about, you have shot the 'Hottentoo' [Khoi] ..." Willem Willemssen 'de Lierman': “I am certain I hit him, for I aimed at his middle ...” Olivier: “You have made a pretty business of it ...” Willemssen: “Well! What does it signify?” [20]
Ockert Cornelissen [Olivier], born at Ouwerken & Jacobus Haunkicher, of Glimberg, both of competent age, & late servants of burger Willem Willems: of Deventer, who, upon the requisition of Mr. Pieter Denys, the Fiscal of this residency ... relate what they witnessed the day their master shoots & kills an unnamed Cape aborigine for breaking his water jug ... attesting & declaring ... "upon their word as men, in lieu of solemn oath ... that about 1 & a half hour after breaking of the said mug, the said Willem Willems: coming home, sat down near the door, & asked his little daughter Aeltje Willemse baptised Cape 20 June 1667 who later marries Ary Simonsz: (from Katwyk)] to give him a drink of water from the mug; that on learning that the jug had been broken, the said Willems: set his dogs upon the person of the said African, who was still present; which 'Hottentot' kept driving off the dogs that were attacking him; when the attestors saw the said Willems: go into the house, and having fetched out a fowling piece, followed the now fugitive 'Hottentot' round the house, & at length discharged it close to the house & almost in contact with (op ‘t lyff) the person of the 'Hottentot' ... [20]
Curiously, Olivier is nevertheless willing to testify in favour of his master - recently returned from Patria after absconding on a Danish ship "Phoenix" back to Europe & securing a dubious pardon from Willem III, Prince of Orange - later king of England, Scotland & Ireland - even though he has fathered 2 bastard children Dina Ockerse {Willemse} & Cornelis Ockerse {Willemse} by his master's wife Maria Jans Visser (from Ommen) during his master's absence ... For more information click at the following link: De Hoop Op Constantia Jan Grof [Mansell Upham]. [20][21], and escaped to Holland in an Danish ship. He returned in 1673 but was not allowed to land and was sent to Robben Island pending a decision by the Heere XVIII, In September 1675 an ailing Willem was allowed to seek a cure on the mainland and found two extra children in his family, fathered by Ockert Cornelisz. He took his wife (Maria Jans Visser) to court and due to fighting mad were both send to Batavia on seperate ships. In 1676 somewhat reconciled sailed on the same ship. Their father, Ocker Corneliszoon, responsible for their support by order of the court. [19][11]
Both children were baptised as children of Maria Liermans (Willemsz) while Maria Vissers husband was away. [11] The children Dina and Cornelis was left, (by order of Court). Their father, Ocker Corneliszoon, responsible for their support [resolusie (C. 9, pp. 98-104). : den voors. pol Ocker Cornelisz tot ter tijt sij beijde sijn vertrocken op 't Robbeneijlandt te plaatsen, en wanneer comt te retourneeren, gehouden sijn sal de voors. twee kinderen die hij bij voors. Willem Willemsz huijsvrou in onecht heeft gewonnen, behoorlijck te onderhouden en dat middelerwijle tot de tijt van haar vertreck, de kinderen in echt tusschen haar en haar voors. man geprocereert, sullen werden gealimenteert van den borger Jan Coenraed Visser, als daar van de grootvader en dienvolgende wel de naaste daartoe wesende.] [14] [19][11]

Sources

  1. 1.0 1.1 1.2 1.3 WikiTree profile Olivier-355 created through the import of Vermaak Family Site - 05 May 2013.GED on May 5, 2013 by Dina Vermaak.
    • Source: Author: Otto DIEDERICKS Title: DIEDERICKS Family Text: MyHeritage.com Page: Cornelis Ockerz (Cornelis) OLIVIER
    • Source: Author: Paul Mare Title: Mare/Maree Family in South Africa Text: MyHeritage.com Page: Cornelis Ockertsz Olivier
    • Source: Author: <unknown> Audrey Title: Audrey Web Site Text: MyHeritage.com Page: Cornelis Olivier
  2. 2.0 2.1 2.2 2.3 WikiTree Oliver-2005 created by Pieter Meyer, May 1, 2013.
  3. 3.0 3.1 3.2 3.3 3.4 3.5 WikiTree profile Ockersz-1 created through the import of Ancestors_DippenaarAndre_noinfo.GED on Oct 23, 2012 by Andrew Dippenaar.
  4. 4.0 4.1 4.2 4.3 WikiTree profile Olivier-113 created through the import of wikitree upload.ged on Jul 19, 2012 by Arrie Klopper.
  5. WikiTree profile Olivier-21 created through the import of Pieterse Rev1.ged on Jun 1, 2011 by Esme Pieterse. Included 1689-02-27 as date of birth.
  6. WikiTree profile Olivier-445 created through the import of 8vd2yc_0008474r52hf8nedwec1c2.ged on Jun 30, 2013 by Amanda Calitz. Included the following data: "Birth Date: Mid to late 1500's"
  7. WikiTree profile Olivier-447 through the import of 8vd2yc_0008474r52hf8nedwec1c2.ged on Jun 30, 2013 by Amanda Calitz.
  8. WikiTree profile Olivier-434 created through the import of 8vd2yc_0008474r52hf8nedwec1c2.ged on Jun 30, 2013 by Amanda Calitz.
  9. 9.0 9.1 9.2 9.3 WikiTree profile Ockers-5 created by Justus Tarrant 7 September 2012.
  10. 10.0 10.1 10.2 WikiTree profile Visser-41 created through the import of Pieterse Rev1.ged on Jun 1, 2011 by Esme Pieterse.
  11. 11.0 11.1 11.2 11.3 11.4 11.5 11.6 11.7 11.8 11.9 Cape Archives Verbatim copies document VC 604 - Cape Town baptisms, memberships and marriages 1695-1712, which is a photocopy the original register, now housed in the Nederduits Gereformeerde Kerkargief, Noordwal-Wes, Stellenbosch, as G1-8/1. This photocopy was made for the Sciences Research Council (HSRC) and a copy was donated to the South African Archives, a copy going to the Cape Town Repository (VC series) and to the Pretoria Repository (where it is part of the FC series).The marriages cover pages 89 through 110 of this register. Transcribed and Entered by Ronel Oliver Feb 22, 2015.
  12. 12.0 12.1 12.2
    cape-town-baptisms-1673 this register. Cape Archives Verbatim Copies VC 603, Nederduits Gereformeerde Kerk, baptisms 1665 to 1696.VC 603 is a photocopy made during the 1980s of the original, made for the Sciences Research Council (HSRC) and a copy was donated to the South African Archives, a copy going to the Cape Town repository and to the Pretoria Repository (where it is part of the FC series).The original register is now housed in the Nederduits Gereformeerde Kerkargief, Noordwal-Wes, Stellenbosch, as G1 1/1. Baptism, page 07, 1673-08-27, Cornelis, Maria Liermans Maria Visser. Seen and Entered Ronel Oliver Feb 21,2015.
  13. 13.0 13.1 Their story as told in the Resolutions of the Council of Policy at the Cape of Good Hope, 18th August and 3rd September 1676.(http://www.ballfamilyrecords.co.uk/notes/note_maria_jansz_visser.htm) Seen and Entered, Ronel Oliver Feb 22, 2015.
  14. 14.0 14.1 14.2 14.3 14.4 14.5 14.6 14.7 ”Corney Keller/Transkripsie van resolusie (C. 9, pp. 98-104) Added on Febr 17,2015 by Ronel Olivier.
  15. 15.0 15.1 Transcription this register. Cape Archives Verbatim Copies VC 603, Nederduits Gereformeerde Kerk, baptisms 1665 to 1696.VC 603 is a photocopy made during the 1980s of the original, made for the Sciences Research Council (HSRC) and a copy was donated to the South African Archives, a copy going to the Cape Town repository and to the Pretoria Repository (where it is part of the FC series).The original register is now housed in the Nederduits Gereformeerde Kerkargief, Noordwal-Wes, Stellenbosch, as G1 1/1.Baptism, page 07, 1673-08-27, Cornelis, Maria Liermans Visser-40. Seen and Entered Ronel Oliver Feb 21,2015.
  16. 16.0 16.1 16.2 ”LDS Catalog Record, Item Number, Film/Digital Note Film # 005437032 South Africa, Cape Province, Cape Town, church records Images 1 - 51. Baptisms, memberships, marriages, 1665-1695. Baptism, page 07, 1673-08-27, Cornelis Liermans . Seen and Entered Ronel Oliver Aug, 2018.
  17. 17.0 17.1 17.2 17.3 17.4 ”The Genealogical Society of South Africa: eGSSA branch, South African Records Transcribed. A selection of historical records transcriptions. (http://www.eggsa.org/sarecords/index.php/church-registers/cape-town-marriages-1696-1712/109-cape-town-marriages-1699: accessed Febr 17, 2015) This transcription has been made from photographs of the Cape Archives Verbatim copies document VC 604 - Cape Town baptisms, memberships and marriages 1695-1712, which is a photocopy the original register, now housed in the Nederduits Gereformeerde Kerkargief, Noordwal-Wes, Stellenbosch, as G1-8/1. This photocopy was made for the Sciences Research Council (HSRC) and a copy was donated to the South African Archives, a copy going to the Cape Town Repository (VC series) and to the Pretoria Repository (where it is part of the FC series).The marriages cover pages 89 through 110 of this register. Seen and entered Ronel Oliver Feb 22, 2015.
  18. 18.0 18.1 18.2 Inventories of the Orphan Chamber Cape Town Archives Repository, South Africa Reference no.: MOOC8/2.119. (Inventories of the Orphan Chamber Cape Town Archives Repository, South Africa Reference no.: MOOC8/2.119 : accessed April 19, 2015) Seen and Entered April 19, 2015 by Ronel Olivier.
  19. 19.0 19.1 19.2 (Esme Bull) (Resoluten Vol. 1. p. 346, Vol. 2. pp. 147,148,194. Leibbrandts Journal 1671 99. 140,141,227,250,308 and Familia No. 1 1981 (p. 8) Seen and added on Febr 17, 2015 by Ronel Olivier.
  20. 20.0 20.1 20.2 Source: First Fifty Years - Project collating Cape of Good Hope records Facebook Community Page: Jul 5, 2016 at 9:18 am Seen and added by Philip van der Walt Aug 10, 2016.
  21. 8 July 1673:
    2 commissioners go on board the "Europa" to interrogate W. Willems [Willem Willemsz: 'de Lierman' (from Deventer)] upon the deed committed by him [shooting (27 April 1672) a Cape aborigine for breaking his water jug], and the pardon procured by him in Holland. Upon their return they reported that on examining said Willems, they had found that his petition to the Prince of Orange [Willem III (1650-1672) - later William III, king of England, Scotland & Ireland] was full of false positions; & that he had employed the most glaring falsehoods … [Journal] [Mansell Upham] Source: First Fifity Years - Project collating Cape of Good Hope records Facebook Community Page: Jul 8 Seen and added by Philip van der Walt Jul 8, 2015.
  • Olivier Family Tree. Ref No. BK 117: Authors Ronel Olivier and Josey Olivier Bygevoeg deur Ronel Olivier




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869 Duplicated named Inline citations / Fixed
Thanks Philip.

You are a star!! Informed the Data Doctors page. Will seen next dump if all is well now. :-P

I edited the offending reference # 6
posted by Philip van der Walt
Removed the arrival information of his biological mothers husband from her illegitimate child's profile to avoid misunderstanding . The arrival of Willemse in Cape of Good Hope has no bearing IMHO
LNAB was shown as Liermans
Oliver-2007 and Olivier-355 appear to represent the same person because: Same data
posted by Philip van der Walt
Slegs 4 kinders :

Maria / Johannes /Catharina/Sara Ek plaas verdere informasie op hul profiel

Cornelis Ockers, Ockersz, Ockertsz Olivier b2 was married to Anna Catharina RICHMANN VAN DER WEY Date : November 22,1699

Church Registers - Cape Town Congregation, Cape Archives, VC 603, VC 604, VC 605, VC 644 marriages, 1699 22 Nov, Cornelis Ockers van de Caep jongm: met Anna Rigman van de Caab jongdr

22/11/1699 trou "Cornelis Ockers van de Caap jongm met Anna Rigman van de Caap jongd."

he Orphan Masters report a request for her hand in marriage. Pupillin die mogen trouwen: 6/11/1699 versoek van Vrijburger Cornelis Ockerszoon om met het weesdogterje Anna Rigman in den egten staat te mogen treeden aangesien dat sij al bij de 14 jaren o en de persoon voormaamt in staat is om het dogtertje te kunnen onderhouden.

Oliver-2005 and Olivier-355 appear to represent the same person because: Same data (spouse etc.) Olivier-355 should be the LNAB and not the patronymic (my mistake - it is a Huguenot profile).
posted by Philip van der Walt

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