John Payne Sr (1615 - 1690)

Born 3 Nov 1615 in Frittenden, Tunbridge Wells Borough, Kent, England

Descendants

Died Jan 1690 at age 74 in Rappahannock, Colony of Virginia

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Biography

John Payne

Arrival 1635. In 1642 there is a John Pain arrived by 1642, sponsored by Richard morgan, in Charles, virginia.^[1]

He married Margaret Robinson in Rappahannock, Virginia in 1632.^[2]

Children:

1. Richard Payne
2. Margaret (Payne) Edrington
3. Elizabeth Payne
4. John Payne Jr
5. George Payne
6. William Payne

He died January 1690 in Red House, Rappahannock, Virginia. He was buried in the Payne Burying-Ground in Red House-Cedar Hill, Horners, Westmoreland county, Virginia.^[3]

Research Notes

Data Warning: Upon saving 4 July 2021, received the following automated warning to check the data: A child's birth date (Payne-1027 born 1620) should not be before a parent is six years old (Payne-1119 born 3 Nov 1615).

Detached Parents: The profiles for Moses Paine (or Payne) of Frittenden and Massachusetts and his wife Mary Benison (born/died Frittenden) have been detached from this profile of John Payne, who immigrated to Virginia. This John Payne is unlikely to be their son named John Payne who died young (see comments). ~ Noland-165 15:29, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

A FindAGrave memorial for John Payne says that he was born about 3 November 1615, in Frittenden, Kent, England, and an Ancestry record citing an SAR membership application is cited for this also.^[3][2]

Wife Margaret: There is a U.S. and International Marriage Record of a John Payne from England, birth Year 1615, married to a Margaret Jennings, of Virginia.^[4] The biography above notes his wife as being Margaret Robinson, whom he married in Rappahannock, Virginia in 1632.^[2]

Notes

Note ! (1) "The Paynes of Virginia," by Brooke Payne (William Byrd Press, Richmond, VA, 1937) p.45,54. ! Marriage to John Payne: (1) (1) 1655: John Payne was granted land for the importation of his wife Margaret. (1) 1659: John Payne Sr. and Margaret his wife deed land on the north east branch of Pepetick Creek. Witnessed by John Payne Jr., John Walker, and John Prosser. Margaret gave her power of attorney to her "beloved friend John Jennings." (1) 1662: John Payne Sr. and Margaret his wife deed land on the East Branch of Pepetick Creek. Witnessed by John Payne Jr.. Margaret gave her power of attorney to her "well beloved friend Mr. Alexander Fleming." Documentation from Col. Brooke Payne "The Paynes of Virginia" C. J. Carrier Co. Harrisonburg, VA, 1990; 2d. Ed. Fact 3 1638 Marriage to Elizabeth Jennings/Robinson per Patrick Payne, Fact 4 Email dtd. Jan 12, 1999. Fact 5 Bet. 1635 - 1650 John Payne associated as Master or owner of the following ships: Fact 6 "The John and Dorothy" w/Thomas Payne, 1636 Fact 7 "The Susan and (H)Ellen" abt. 1647 Fact 8 "Elizabeth" in later 1630s. Captured by the Spanish ship, "Santa Clara." Fact 9 "The Transport" of London, and others. Fact 10 Bet. 1650 - 1689 Continued interest in shipping and trade with England and Europe as well. Fact 11 as a Virginia planter. Fact 12 John Payne listed as a "Joiner" in a record of 1670.

Baptism of John November 3, 1616 St. Edmund, Norfolk, England

"The Payne Family". Payne and Viley, privately published. Three brothers, Sir Robert, John, and William Payne came to Virginia in 1620: Sir Robert returned to England; (John settled in the Northern Neck. (The booklet here quotes Capt. John Smiths History of Virginia). It is also stated in this booklet that John and William were knighted before leaving England. The Payne's were a powerful tribe in Wales. King James I, to conciliate them, gave them a grant of twelve miles square (144 square miles , 92160a., one-third the area of Fairfax county) near Alexandria, called Payne Manor, where Sir John settled. Sir William settled in Maryland, near Leonardtown, and never married. Payne Genealogy at the Lost Colony Research Group

Photo of Payne Burying Ground

More Research Notes

◦See pages 44-51 of "The Paynes' of Virginia" for more information on John Payne, Sr. He appeared to be a ship owner, as he was paid for provisioning and transporting Burgesses from Lancaster to James Town. He may also have been a carpenter, as in 1656 the county court ordered him to make for the county one pair of stocks and a whipping post.

His date of birth is approximate and is based on an affidavit concerning delivery of pork to Jamestown which states his age as "44 years or thereabouts". This was probably a visual estimate of a Clerk of the Court rather than based on his own oral evidence.

As suggested by the comparatively late date of the Court records relating to his two younger sons, it is not improbable that he was married twice, and that Margaret was his second wife.

John Payne had the following children--Richard, John, William and George. It is believed that he had also one or more daughters; but since his will cannot be found, although it is recorded that he made one, it is practically impossible to identify any such daughters.

DNA Research

Payne, John yDNA of direct male descendant Certificate of Y-chromosome DNA testing from The Geneographic Project. Haplogroup R1b is the most common in Western Europe, and are descendants of the Europe's first large-scale human settlers. The marker's frequency is high in northern France and the British Isles where it was carried by descendents who had weathered the Ice Age in Spain.

The yDNA donor was Paul James Payne of Corpus Christi, now deceased. His line of descent from the immigrant John Payne is as follows: John Payne>William Payne>William Payne>Sanford Payne>George Payne>William C. Payne>Thomas Hamilton Payne, I>Walter Winkle Payne>Harry Carl Payne>Paul James Payne

Strong Family Tree

Sources

1. ↑ Virginia Immigrants, 1623-1666; Ancestry's Virginia Immigrants Ancestry Record 2063 #11392
2. ↑ ^{2.0 2.1 2.2} U.S., Sons of the American Revolution Membership Applications, 1889-1970; Ancestry's U.S., Sons of the American Revolution Membership Applications Ancestry Record 2204 #651943
3. ↑ ^{3.0 3.1} Find a Grave, database and images (accessed 27 September 2020), memorial page for John Payne (3 Nov 1615–Jan 1690), Find A Grave: Memorial #11294376, citing Payne Burying-Ground Red House-Cedar Hill, Horners, Westmoreland County, Virginia, USA ; Maintained by Anonymous (contributor 46792351) .
4. ↑ U.S. and International Marriage Records, 1560-1900; Ancestry's U.S., and International Marriage Record Ancestry Record 7836 #934118

See Also:

• Payne, Brooke. The Paynes of Virginia. Richmond, Va.: William Byrd Press, 1937. p. 44-51.

• Source: S-2038528722 Repository: #R-2138404334 Title: Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1500s-1900s Author: Gale Research Publication: Online publication - Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2009.Original data - Filby, P. William, ed.. Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1500s-1900s. Farmington Hills, MI, USA: Gale Research, 2009.Original data: Filby, P. William, ed.. Passeng Note: APID: 1,7486::0
• Source: S-2043376465 Repository: #R-2138404334 Title: U.S. and International Marriage Records, 1560-1900 Author: Yates Publishing Publication: Online publication - Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2004.

• Source: S5 Author: Yates Publishing Title: U.S. and International Marriage Records, 1560-1900 Publication: Name: Online publication - Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2004.Original data - This unique collection of records was extracted from a variety of sources including family group sheets and electronic databases. Originally, the information was deriv; Repository: #R1
• Source: S6 Author: Gale Research Title: Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1500s-1900s Publication: Name: Online publication - Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2009.Original data - Filby, P. William, ed.. Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1500s-1900s. Farmington Hills, MI, USA: Gale Research, 2009.Original data: Filby, P. William, ed.. Passe; Repository: #R1

• Payne, Brooke THE PAYNES OF VIRGINIA (Third Printing, C.J. Carrier Company, Harrisonburg, VA 1998).
• Surnames at the Lost Colony Research Group
• Sir John Payne

Acknowledgments

• This person was created through the import of Olin LaVern and Darlene Thomas.ged on 14 April 2011.
• WikiTree profile Payne-1635 created through the import of Dulaney, Kelley Family Tree.ged on Aug 1, 2011 by Christina Marshall.
• Thank you to David Moore for creating WikiTree profile Payne-2883 through the import of The Moore Family Tree and then.ged on Mar 8, 2013.
• Thank you to Teresa Abram for creating Payne-3613 on 15 Oct 2013.
• Thank you to Don Stumbo for creating Payne-3665 on 5 Nov 2013.
• This biography was auto-generated by a GEDCOM import. Payne-3922 was created by Mark Stuckenborg through the import of Stinnett_Distant_Ancestors.ged on Jan 28, 2014.
• This biography was auto-generated by a GEDCOM import. Payne-5905 was created by Joseph Leslie Poole through the import of Murray Family_2015-08-22.ged on Aug 22, 2015.