John Payne (1751 - 1825)

Born 13 Apr 1751 in Coventry, Tolland, Connecticut

Ancestors

Husband of Lydia (Tisdale) Payne — married 17 May 1775 in Lebanon, Connecticut

Descendants

Died 11 Mar 1825 at age 73 in Staten Island, New York City, New York, United States

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Biography

Private John Payne served with 8th Connecticut Regiment (1777), Continental Army during the American Revolution.

John is the son of John Payne and Jemina Hutchinson. John was born on April 13, 1751 at Coventry, Tolland County, Connecticut. ^[1]

John Payne married Lydia Tisdale on May 17, 1775 at the First Congregational Church in Lebanon Connecticut. ^[2]

At a Court of Probate held at Lebanon in & for the District of Windham Sept. 28, 1787. Present Wm Williams Esq., Judge Mr. John Payne of Hartford in the County of Windsor and State of Vermont (so called) came personally before this Court, and in his own and the behalf of Lydia his wife who is sister to Mr. Nathan Tisdale late of said Lebanon dec. moved to appeal from the sentence and judgment of said Court on the day of last in allowing and approving the last Will and Testament of the said Nathan, dec., to the Honorable Superior Court of this State to be holden at Windham in said State on the third Tuesday of March next; and this Court do admit and allow said motion and appeal on Bond being given according to law. And thereupon the said John Payne together with Mr. Thomas Trapp of Norwich in the County of New London and State of Connecticut, acknowledge themselves jointly and severally bound in a Recogni...ance in One hundred pounds lawful money of said State to Zeviah Tisdale and John Porter Executrix & Executor of said last Will, that said John Payne shall prosecute his said appeal to effect, and answer all damage in case he fails to make his plea good...

In 1778, John Payne Jr., "late a Lieut. in Col. Warner's Regiment, 3 years nearly, and in 1776 was sick" petitioned for a pension from the State of Vermont. The result was "no action taken". ^[3]

In 1778, John Payne resided in Bethel, Windsor, Vermont. ^[4]

John moves to Cape Breton in about 1788 and settled in Cow Bay, Cape Breton. Cape Breton Island land petitions recording John Payne's can be found at https://novascotia.ca/archives/land/results.asp?Search=John+PAyNE&SearchList1=3. In 1802, John Payne was residing on a lot at Cow Bay. By 1811, he no longer was living on that property, as he had moved to the Magdelen Islands.

The 1820 Federal Census for Chattham, Barnstable, Massachusetts, lists John Payne, employed in commerce, aged "45 and upwards". He is living close to George Payne, age 25-45, who had a male under 10 years old in the household. George was also employed in commerce. ^[5]

On 06 December 1819 in the Northwest Dutch Church of New York, New York, Hester Van Cleof m. John Payne. ^[6]

Another source lists the date as 06 Dec 1821^[7]"New York Marriages, 1686-1980," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F63H-BLX : 12 December 2014), John Payne and Hester Van Cleaf, 06 Dec 1821; citing reference ; FHL microfilm 17,475.

On 12 September 1821, John Payne, age 69, described his Revolutionary War Service: He was appointed and Commissioned on the 21 October 1776 as Second Lieutenant in the Company Commanded by Abner Sely in the Vermont Regiment commanded by Col. Seth Warner and served principally in New York until June 1778 when he resigned his Commission. ^[8]

John Payne dies at age 74 on 11 Mar 1825 in Staten Island, New York City, New York. Esther Payne, on behalf of John Payne, "Sergeant & Lieutenant", received a pension in New York, New York. ^[9]

~~researching 2nd wife: Esther Payne submitted documents in a Widow's Pension stating she was the wife of Lt. John Payne. Included was a one-page certificate of marriage noting John Payne was the son of John Payne, and stating that John married (2) MRS. HESTER VAN CLEAF, widow of the late AARON VANDERBILT, on 06 December 1821 in New York, New York. Today, Dec 11, 2017, I've sourced an 1820 census showing what COULD be her family, but the dates and ages don't add up at this point. Age James Van Clief 52 Ester Van Clief 26 Alfred Van Clief 24 David Van Clief 11 Easther L Van Clief 2 Alfred D Van Clief 0 ^[10][11]

Children of John Payne and Lydia Tisdale are:

1. Sophia Payne was born in about 1776 in Connecticut. Sophia marries to first, James Gould. She marries second to William Cummings on July 23, 1814 in the Madelaeine Islands, Nova Scotia, Canada. She dies on April 20, 1857 in the Madeleine Islands, Nova Scotia.
2. Tisdall Payne was born on June 13, 1778 in Connecticut.
3. James Payne was born in Connecticut. Marries to Ann Muggah on June 9, 1822 at St. George's Anglican Church in Sydney, Nova Scotia.
4. Laura Payne was born in Connecticut. Marries to Nathaniel Spencer in about 1801 at Sydney, Nova Scotia.
5. Aurelia Payne was born in about 1784 in Connecticut. Aurelia marries to Henry Moore Peters. Aurelia marries second to Thomas Murrant on April 28, 1812 at Sydney, Nova Scotia.
6. William Payne was born on July 28, 1786 at Sydney, Cape Breton, Nova Scotia. William baptised on June 11, 1789 at Sydney, Cape Breton, Nova Scotia.
7. George Payne was born on January 19, 1789 at Sydney, Cape Breton, Nova Scotia. George was baptised on June 11, 1789 at Sydney, Cape Breton, Nova Scotia. Baptismal record of George and William Payne.

Birth

Connecticut Births and Christenings Name John Payn Gender Male Birth Date 13 Apr 1751 Birthplace COVENTRY TWP,TOLLAND,CONNETICUT Father's Name John Payn Mother's Name Jemima Huthenson

Sources

1. ↑ "Connecticut Births and Christenings, 1649-1906," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F74D-Q9H : 3 December 2014), John Payn, 13 Apr 1751; citing ; FHL microfilm unknown.
2. ↑ *Ancestry.com. Connecticut, Church Record Abstracts, 1630-1920 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: 2013. Original data: Connecticut. Church Records Index. Connecticut State Library, Hartford, Connecticut.
3. ↑ John E Goodrich, Compiler & Editor, State of Vermont: Rolls of the Soldiers in the Revolutionary War, 1775-1783,(Rutland,Vermont: the Tuttle Compamy, 1904), p 808, sourced at https://archive.org/stream/rollsofsoldiersi00verm#page/808/mode/2up/search/Payne
4. ↑ Vermont: Miscellaneous Censuses and Substitutes, 1778-1822, 1840 (Online database. AmericanAncestors.org. New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2013. From records supplied by Ancestry.com) https://www.americanancestors.org/DB508/t/13681/1223/242305589
5. ↑ 1820 U S Census; Census Place: Chatham, Barnstable, Massachusetts; Page: 174; NARA Roll: M33_47; Image: 101
6. ↑ Ancestry.com. U.S., Dutch Reformed Church Records in Selected States, 1639-1989 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2014.
7. ↑ "New York Marriages, 1686-1980," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F63H-BLX : 12 December 2014), John Payne and Hester Van Cleaf, 06 Dec 1821; citing reference ; FHL microfilm 17,475
8. ↑ Fold 3, Pension Certificate 17,435
9. ↑ "United States Revolutionary War Pension Payment Ledgers, 1818-1872," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q24Q-PYJJ : accessed 18 December 2017), John Paine, 03 Feb 1853; citing New York City, New York County, New York, United States, NARA microfilm publication T718 (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, 1962), roll 14; FHL microfilm 1,319,394.
10. ↑ Year: 1920; Census Place: Richmond Assembly District 1, Richmond, New York; Roll: T625_1238; Page: 8A; Enumeration District: 1559
11. ↑ "New Jersey Deaths and Burials, 1720-1988," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FZH7-S2S : 12 December 2014), John Pane, 11 Mar 1825; citing Staten Island, N.Y., reference ; FHL microfilm 543,521.

• Baptismal - Baptismal record of George and William Payne.

• Birth - "Connecticut Births and Christenings, 1649-1906," database, FamilySearch : 3 December 2014, John Payn, 13 Apr 1751; citing ; FHL microfilm unknown.

• "United States Revolutionary War Rolls, 1775-1783", database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2DG-JNBF : 21 December 2016), John Payne, 1779.

• Ancestry.com. Connecticut, Church Record Abstracts, 1630-1920 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: 2013. Original data: Connecticut. Church Records Index. Connecticut State Library, Hartford, Connecticut.

• Barber, Janine Ruth. Sophia (Payne) (Gould) Cummings: From Connecticut to Canada, Connecticut Nutmegger (Connecticut Society of Genealogists, Glastonbury, Conn., 2017) Vol. 50, Page 197.

Research Notes

John was probably Captain John Payne. He left the USA and moved to Cape Breton in 1788 and settled in Cow Bay, Cape Breton . He moved frequently, possibly the result of his occupation. He was in the Madeline Islands in 1802, Ingonish in 1811 and he witnessed the second marriage of his daughter Sophia to William Commons in the Catholic Church in the Madeilenes in 1814. He probably died there.

Correspondence would seem to indicate that he was a boat builder, a mast builder or had a skill related to the marine industry. He was apparently unhappy with his relocation to Cape Breton, likely a "reluctant loyalist". One can speculate that he had a trade valuable to the British and was forced to relocate to Cow Bay to aid war efforts.

John marries to Lydia Tisdale on May 17, 1775 at the First Congregational Church in Lebanon Connecticut.

1. JAMES PAYNE was born in Connecticut. m. ANN MUGGAH, June 09, 1822, St George's Anglican, Sydney, Nova Scotia.
2. LAURA PAYNE was born in Connecticut., m. NATHANIEL SPENCER, March 25, 1801 at Sydney, Nova Scotia.
3. TISDALL PAYNE was born on June 13, 1778 in Connecticut.
4. SOPHIA PAYNE, b. Abt. 1776, probably in Lebanon Conn., USA; d. April 20, 1857, Madeleine Islands; m. (1) JAMES GOOLD; m. (2) WILLIAM COMMONS, July 23, 1814, Madeleine Islands. She died on April 20, 1857 in the Madeleine Islands, Nova Scotia.
5. AURELIA PAYNE, b. Abt. 1784, Connecticut, USA; d. 1846, South Head, Cow Bay, Cape Breton; m. (1) HENRY MOORE PETERS, Aft. 1792; m. (2) THOMAS (SENIOR) MURRANT, April 28, 1812, St George's Anglican Church, Sydney.
6. WILLIAM PAYNE, b. July 28, 1786 at Sydney, Cape Breton, Nova Scotia. He was baptized on June 01, 1789, in St George's Anglican Church in Sydney and 21 July 1808 he, together with William Commons, his brother-in-law petitioned for 500 acres of land in Ingonish, Cape Breton.
7. GEORGE PAYNE, b. January 19, 1789 at Sydney, Cape Breton, Nova Scotia. He was baptised on June 01, 1789, at St George's Anglican Church in Sydney.