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Lisabeth (Peters) Peterse (abt. 1617 - 1677)

Lisabeth "Elizabeth" Peterse formerly Peters
Born about in Groot St., Nijmegen, Gelderland, Nederlandmap
Daughter of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
[spouse(s) unknown]
[children unknown]
Died at about age 60 in New Yorkmap [uncertain]
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Biography

Lysbeth Pieters was an early settler in New Netherland. She has been identified as one of three sisters from Hoorn, North Holland, who immigrated to New Netherland, the others being Sara Pieters, wife of Jan Janszen Schepmoes from Delft, and Marietje Pieters.[1]

Lysbeth Pieters witnessed the baptism of a child of the Schepmoeses: 1648 Sep 02 Dirck, Jan Janszen, Schepmoes, Sara Pieters. Wit.: Hendrick Kip, Lijsbeth Pieters.

On 5 July 1657 she and Dirk Weÿerts (Weijerts) registered their intentions of marriage in the Reformed Dutch Church of New Amsterdam; the record identifies her as the widow of Jan Huÿgen (Huijgen).[2] According to Reynolds, her previous husband was Johannes Huyck[3]; if so, she was his second wife.[4]

Mistaken Identity

Lysbeth Pieters has sometimes been identified as a daughter of Peter Minuit. This is a mistake that may derive from sources that indicate that Jan Huyck was a brother-in-law of Peter Minuit, which information was interpreted to mean that the wife of Jan Huyck was a sister of Pieter Minuit. Jan Huygen and Peter Minuit were brothers in law because they married sisters. Jan Huygen married Sybilla Raet, daughter of Arndt Raet, and Peter Minuit married Sybilla's sister Gerdrudt Raet.[5]

Church Records

Marriage Intentions
  • 1657. den 5 Jul. Dirk Weeijrts, wedr Van Trijn Dircks, en Lijsbeth Pieters, Wede Van Jan Hujgen.[2]

Research Notes

The following content comes from earlier versions of this profile.

Birth

Birth: Date: ABT 1617 est date 1 JUL 1617
Place: Groot St., Gelderland, Nymegen, Holland
Born 1610 in , Germany,

Marriage

Johannes married Lisabeth Peters, who not the daughter of Peter Minuit. She was also not from Wesel.

Relevant to Lisabeth, the online book Descendants of Hendric Huyck states (source abbreviations not yet found):[6]

[ACD] Johannes "accompanied his brother-in-law Pieter Minuit to America in 1617." (MKA) The Dutch Colony of New Netherlands was founded in 1624. It would be interesting to discover where Johannes went in 1617. [AF] Gives the name as Jan Huyck and that he was born 18 Apr 1617, Groot St. Nymegan, Holland. (SMK) Jan Huyck became Chieftan of the Groat Straat in 1617. Accompanied by his brother-in-law, Peter Minuit, on his emigration to New Amsterdam in the ship "Seagull" landed 4 May 1626 on Mahattan Island. He became "Koopman" or keeper of the stores in the fort which guarded the settlement of 30 rude houses of bark. It is stated that Jan and Peter were Wallons (Belgians) and spoke and wrote only in French. Jan served as lay reader in Church services.

Continuing the confusion about her presence in the New World and who she was married to, a previous version of this profile incorrectly attached a son Andries Huyck, born in New Netherland.

Immigration

On May 4, 1626, 30 families and individuals, including Johannes Huyck (not Lysbeth's husband), arrived in the New World. Many of the families were Walloon, from the French/Flemish border. It has been stated that both Peter and Johannes spoke and wrote French only. Although the expedition was Dutch, the first colonists were Dutch Huguenots who had gone to the Netherlands for religious freedom. [6]

Death

Died 1677 in New York

Sources

  1. Amerman, Richard H. "Highlights of History of Hoorn, North Holland." de Halve Maen, Vol. XLIV, No. 2 (July 1969), page 16, citing "Colonists from Hoorn," by William J. Hoffman, unpublished manuscript in the library of New York Genealogical & Biographical Society. Note: This source identifies the man she married in 1657 as Dirck Mayers from Hoorn.
  2. 2.0 2.1 Purple, Samuel S., editor. Marriages from 1639 to 1801 in the Reformed Dutch Church, New York. Collections of the New-York Genealogical and Biographical Society. Vol. 1. New York Genealogical and Biographical Society, 1890. page 21.
  3. Cuyler Reynolds, Hudson-Mohawk Genealogical and Family Memoirs: A Record of Achievements of the People of the Hudson and Mohawk Valleys in New York State, Included within the Present Counties of Albany, Rensselaer, Washington, Saratoga, Montgomery, Fulton, Schenectady, Columbia and Greene, 4 volumes (New York: Lewis Historical Publishing Company, 1911), 1: 397. URL: https://archive.org/details/hudsonmohawkgene00reyn/page/396/mode/2up
  4. Wardell, Patricia A. Early Bergen County Families. File: BCFam-Huyk.pdf, page 3: "Huygen, Jan." Accessed 20 Jan 2017. http://njgsbc.org/indexes/bergen-county-families/
  5. Wardell, citing information online Aug 1999 from Scott Herrington (Arizona State University), citing C.A. Weslager, A Man and His Ship: Peter Minuit and the Kalmar Nyckel, 1989.
  6. 6.0 6.1 Descendants of Hendric Huyck, Fulton County, Ohio, GenWeb site.

Acknowledgments

  • WikiTree profile Peters-1223 created through the import of EED1.ged on Sep 15, 2011 by Richard Draper. See the Changes page for the details of edits by Richard and others.
  • WikiTree profile Minuit-3 created through the import of davisfamilytree-1.ged on Sep 1, 2012 by Rich Davis. See the Changes page for the details of edits by Rich and others.




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Possible second marriage: Lijsbeth Pieters, widow of Jan Huijgen, marries Dirck Weijerts, banns July 5, 1657, Nieuw Amsterdam

https://www.wiewaswie.nl/en/detail/20995925

posted by [Living Terink]
The problem is that this Jan Huijgen was a Dutchman and not the brother-in-law of Pieter Minuit. This couple is younger and from the Netherlands.
posted by Marie-Pierre Lessard
I was not making any statement on origin or relationship of a Jan Huijgen, only citing a original source on the marriage of a woman with name Lijsbeth Pieters, widow of a man with name Jan Huijgen, to a man with name Dirck Weijerts.
posted by [Living Terink]
Yes. It's the same Lysbeth Pieters. She is just not the daughter of Pieter Minuit, and I can't see how she is supposed to be the mother of Andries Hanse Huyck, who married Catryn (Lammertsen) Valkenborg in Albany. When Lysbeth Pieters was with Jan Huijgen and Dirck Weijerts, she lived in the Manhattan and Long Island area.
posted by Marie-Pierre Lessard
So are you saying, Marie-Pierre, that we should detach this Lysbeth from Peter Minuit and from the son Andries Hanse Huyck?
posted by Jillaine Smith
Yes. According to William J. Hoffman, she is the sister of Sara Pieters, wife of Jan Jansen Schepmoes.

"There were three sisters named Pieters from Hoorn: Sara, wife of Jan Janszen Schepmoes from Delft; Elizabeth, wife of Dirck Mayers from Hoorn; and Marietje. (...) Details (...) are mainly based on part of unpub. Mss. captioned "Colonists from Hoorn," by William J. Hoffman, in library of New York Genealogical & Biographical Soc." Source: http://www.hollandsociety.org/wp-content/uploads/deHalveMaen_1969-07_XLIV_02-Red.pdf

I already found the Dutch documents that show that this Jan Huygen isn't Minuit's brother-in-law. He is Dutchman.

Unless someone can prove that Andries Hanse Huyck, which I don't believe at this stage of my research, he should be detached, yes. This seems to be an assumption based on similarity of name.

The ancestry of this Jan Huygen (son of Hendrick?!!!) also seems to be completely made up.

posted by Marie-Pierre Lessard
edited by Marie-Pierre Lessard
Peters-6959 and Peters-1223 appear to represent the same person because: Consistent data, same husband, same child.
posted by Ellen Smith
She had no parents imported, so I attached her as daughter of the famous Peter Minuit, because it seems to be very likely, based on the names and the dates, but that will have to be verified. His family buildup is still very sketchy in Wikitree at this point.
posted by Steven Mix
I've added details to Peter's profile and found a source for the identification of his father, but I'm having difficulty finding reliable sources for his marriage or offspring.

A will is mentioned on his profile (Utrecht 1615). Sure would like to find it.

posted by Jillaine Smith
edited by Jillaine Smith
This woman is not a Minuit at all. Her name needs to be edited.
posted by Marie-Pierre Lessard
Moreover, I have seen no evidence yet that Andries Hanse Huyck, a resident of Albany, was the child of this couple. Are there translations of primary sources that support this theory?

At this stage, I am guessing that this parent-child relationship is made up.

posted by Marie-Pierre Lessard
Minuit-3 and Peters-1223 appear to represent the same person because: This is the oldest maternal ancestor in this chain in need of a merge. No tree conflicts. These matches have been reviewed by the New Netherland Settlers Merge Approval System, and the "Green" destination NNS profile is protected as PPP, and the "Merge Pending" profile is now ready and able to be merged into it. I saved the data to the bios. It is doubtful that this woman ever emigrated. Thanks!
posted by Steven Mix
I added an unmerged match of Peters-1223 and Minuit-3 because the women have similar names (Elizabeth, daughter of Peter) and both are identified as wife of Jan Huyck and mother of Andries Huyck. I assume these are both intended to represent the same woman.
posted by Ellen Smith