Joan
of England
formerly Plantagenet
Born about in England
Ancestors 
Daughter of Edward Plantagenet
and Leonor (Castilla) of Castile
Sister of
Katherine (Plantagenet) of England, John (Plantagenet) of England, Henry (Plantagenet) of England, Eleonore (Plantagenet) of England, Unnamed (Plantagenet) of England, Joan (Plantagenet) de Clare, Alphonse (Plantagenet) of England, Isabel Plantagenet, Margaret (Plantagenet) Brabant, Berengere (Plantagenet) of England, Unknown Plantagenet, Mary (Plantagenet) of England, Alice Plantagenet, Unknown Plantagenet, Elizabeth (Plantagenet) de Bohun, Edward (Plantagenet) of England, Thomas (Plantagenet) Brotherton [half], Edmund (Plantagenet) of Woodstock [half] and Eleanor (Plantagenet) of England [half]
Died before
before about age 0
in England
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Biography
There are records for the second or third confinement of Eleanor of Castile in December 1264 and she was churched in early February 1265, so the child was likely born in January 1265.[1]
There is also mention of Henry III paying for medicines for domina Alianora on 25 January 1265, which has been interpreted as being for his wife, Eleanor of Provence, but this is more likely to be Eleanor of Castile, given she isn't referred to as regina.[1]
This child is almost certainly the daughter Joan (Johanne, filie Edwardi, primogeniti regis) who died before 7 September 1265 and was buried in Westminster Abbey. There is a record of Henry III ordering a cloth of gold for her tomb dated 7 September 1265.[2]
Research Notes
John Carmi Parsons originally published his work on children of Edward I and Eleanor of Castile in his PhD thesis, which I have seen but need to find the details again. It was also published in a journal, which was inaccessible.
He also cites primary sources which don't appear to be available in full-text online. The Calendar of Liberate Rolls, volume 5, p. 150 & 160 refers to the confinement and churching of Elearnor of Castile. https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:Calendar_of_the_Liberate_Rolls_Preserved_in_the_Public_Record_Office
The section about medicines comes from (G.R. Trease, "The Spicers and Apothecaries of the Royal Households in the Reigns of Henry III, Edward I and Edward II," _Nottingham Medieval Studies_, vol. 3 [1959], pp. 40-41)
Sources
- ↑ 1.0 1.1 Parsons, John Carmi. "Eleanor of Castile - II." soc-genealogy-medieval, discussion list, 4 September 1998. https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/omPOn9xMJuA/m/G6SGDONxSb4J : accessed 28 May 2021.
- ↑ Close Rolls of the Reign of Henry III. preserved in the Public Record Office, A.D. 1264-1268. London: His Majesty's Stationery Office, 1937. pp. 70-71. Digital image (82-83 of 682), HathiTrust, https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.35112103127090&view=1up&seq=82 : accessed 28 May 2021.
See also:
- Richardson, Douglas. Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 5 vols, ed. Kimball G. Everingham (Salt Lake City: the author, 2013), volume I, page 69 ENGLAND 7.
- Wikipedia contributors, "Eleanor of Castile," Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Eleanor_of_Castile&oldid=1025133479 (accessed May 28, 2021).
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Source of info for Joan
Also information from Geni, isn't considered a reliable source for pre-1500 profiles. Although this example does cite some sources, when updating pre-1500 profiles we should be citing primary sources or at least secondary sources that cite primary sources, which Geni doesn't do.
BIRTH 10 Oct 1164 Angers, Departement de Maine-et-Loire, Pays de la Loire, France DEATH 24 Sep 1199 (aged 34) Fontevraud-l'Abbaye, Departement de Maine-et-Loire, Pays de la Loire, France BURIAL Fontevraud Abbey Fontevraud-l'Abbaye, Departement de Maine-et-Loire, Pays de la Loire, France
I have a quick question and am curious about any thoughts that Plantagenet-1674 & Plantagenet-1742 may be the same daughter of Edward and Eleanor. The only supporting data/sources for both are essentially identical in description but the only given source for Plantagenet-1674 isn't currently working. However the profile bio describe the only known accounts of (said) child exactly like the supporting sources attached on this profile. The exception being the different birth year. I think this could still be the same since Edward and his wives had multiple children who did not survive infancy. Perhaps the year of birth given on that profile was accidentally written by someone referencing Elleanor's first stillborn daughter dating to when she was only 14 years old? Either way there does seem to be at least a few profiles between the atached named and "Unknown" children of Edward and his wives that could be duplicates. Cheers! Becky Elizabeth
Jim Lhamon
I will send you a Trusted List request directly from the England Project account. Please accept it and then set the England Project as Manager from the privacy tab.
Many thanks. Jo (England Project Managed Profiles Team coordinator)
I'm asking about them because when an action is quickly rejected without a written explanation nor additional sourcing to account for the orginal confusion; the same process will continue when the next member looks for their ancestor and finds two profiles meeting theirs each criterium and so on. I wouldn't have had the confidence to ask this had other members not reached out to me about a lesser post followed by reading similar comments written on other profiles at the time. Thanks for the consideration and patience here. Happy Memorial Day Weekend! Becky Elizabeth
My sincerest apologies
edited by Becky Simmons
Joan's birth in Jan 1265 is from Richardson's Royal Ancestry (see Bettye's comment), which also shows that daughter Katherine died 5 September 1264, but it does not give a birth date (so either 17 Jun 1264 is wrong or Joan was born 2 months early and survived 8 months after the premature birth - I have no idea how likely that is for the place/time, but as the daughter of a King, she would have had the best care possible).
update - just checked Katherine's profile. No source for birth, but it's given as "before" 17 June 1264 (no explanation either).
edited by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
ii. Joan Of England, born Jan. 1265, died before 7 Sept. 1265., buried at Westminster abbey.
Thank you!