Joan Plantagenet

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Princess Joan Fitzhenry Plantagenet aka Lady of Snowdon, Princess of Wales
Born in London,Middlesexmap
Wife of — married [date unknown] [location unknown]
Died in Arllechwedd Isaf, Caernarvonshire, , Walesmap
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Biography

Daughter of John, King of England(Lackland).

Joan was born about 1189. (c. 1191 – 2 February 1237)

Joan (Joanna) was an illegitimate daughter of King John of England and a woman named Clemence Pinel (The only source that explicitly names Joan's mother is her obit in the Tewkesbury Annals: Obiit domina Johanna domina Walliae, uxor Lewelini filia regis Johannis et regina Clemencie, iii. kal. Aprilis."). She should not be confused with her legitimate half-sister Joan, Queen Consort of Scotland.

Joan seems to have spent her childhood in France, as King John had her brought to the Kingdom of England from Normandy in preparation for her wedding in December 1203 at 15 years of age or so.

The only hint to Joan's age is the papal decree of Honorius III legitimizing her, which claims that King John was unmarried when he begot her. John married his cousin Isabel of Gloucester in 1189, and then dissolved their marriage in 1199. If the papal decree is correct, then Joan was probably born in the mid-to-late 1180s, before John's marriage to Isabel. Expenses for John's daughter Joan were recorded in Normany in 1203; this almost certainly refers to the illegitimate Joan, although G.R. Stephens thinks it's her legitimate half-sister with the same name (G.R. Stephens, The Early Life of Joan Makepeace, Speculum 20, 1945).

Little is known about her early life; she was possibly born before her father, King John of England, married his first wife in 1189. Her mother's name is known only from Joan's obituary in the Tewkesbury Annals, where she is mysteriously called "Regina Clementina" (Queen Clemence).


It is suggested in http://plantagenesta.livejournal.com/ that one could debate 'Who was this Queen Clemence?' The only Queen Clemence in Europe at that time was Clemence of Toulouse, wife of Sancho VII of Navarre, and it seems doubtful that John had a liaison with such a prominant woman without some mention being made of it.

A much more likely candidate is Clemence, wife of Nicholas de Verdun. From the Patent Rolls of the Reign of Henry III comes this entry from 1228, from King Henry III (son of King John and thusly Joan's half-brother):

Rex dilecto et fideli suo Nicholao de Verdun et Clementie uxori sue, salutem. Sciatis quod nos vobis benigne concedimus quod fidelis noster et dilectus frater L. princeps Norwallie et Johanna uxor sua et dilecta soror nostra Susannam filiam suam, neptem nostram, vobis committere duxerit [sic] nutriendam, eam salvo et secure et sine omni dampno et occasione suscipiatis et penes vos retineatis. In cujus rei testimonium etc. vobis mittimus. Teste me, apud Westmonasterium, xxiiij die Novembris, anno etc.

Henry III is placing his niece Susanna, the daughter of Llywelyn and Joan, in the care of Nicholas de Verdun and his wife Clemence. This entry is worth a second look. We know Joan's mother was named Clemence. Here we see Joan's daughter being placed in the care of a woman named Clemence, who is a subject to the English king. If Clemence was Joan's mother, she would've had an obvious interest in her granddaughter Susanna.

Clemence was the daughter of Philip le Boteler (Curia Regis Roll, 1243 [17:281-2 (no. 1462)]) and she inherited lands in Steeple Lavington, Wiltshire that she later bestowed upon another granddaughter. She and Nicholas de Verdun had one known daughter and heiress, Rohese. Rohese de Verdun, in turn, married William Perceval de Somery (died by June 1222) by whom she had a son, Nicholas (died a minor before 4 July 1229; his heir was his uncle Roger de Somery). Rohese then married Theobald Butler in 1225, by whom she had further issue. Nicholas de Verdun died in 1231; Clemence was still alive as of October of that year, as was their daughter Rohese.

Joan married Llywelyn the Great, Prince of Wales, son of Iorwerth Drwyndwn ap Owain Gwynedd Prince of North Wales and Marared ferch Madog ap Maredudd. According to the Worcester Annals, Joan and Llywelyn were married at Ascensiontide 1206, so they would've married in mid-May. The www.princesofgwynedd.com also suggest that the marriage took place in May 1206 at Chester.

She and Llywelyn had a number of children together:

Elen ferch Llywelyn (Helen or Ellen) (1207-1253), married (1) John le Scot, Earl of Chester and (2) Robert II de Quincy, son of Saher IV de Quincy 1st Earl of Winchester and Margaret de Beaumont.

Dafydd ap Llywelyn (c. 1215-1246) married Isabella de Braose, died at Garth Celyn, Aber Garth Celyn.

Gwladus Ddu (1206-1251), married (1) Reginald de Braose and (2) Ralph de Mortimer.

Susanna, who was sent to England as a hostage in 1228. Susanna is named in the 1228 patent roll. The Melrose Chronicle states that Malcolm, Earl of Fife, married a daughter of Llywelyn Fawr circa 1230. Malcolm was a supporter of Henry III. The most likely candidate for his wife is Susanna, who we know was in England in 1228, and could easily have been given to Malcolm by her uncle Henry III.


The mother of most of Llywelyn's illegitimate children is known or assumed to have been Llywelyn's mistress, Tangwystl Goch (c.1168-1198).

Gruffydd ap Llywelyn (c.1196-1244) was Llywelyn's eldest son and is known to be the son of Tangwystl. He married Senena, daughter of Caradoc ap Thomas of Anglesey . Their four sons included Llywelyn ap Gruffydd , who for a period occupied a position in Wales comparable to that of his grandfather, and Dafydd ap Gruffydd who ruled Gwynedd briefly after his brother's death.

Llywelyn had another son, Tegwared ap Llywelyn, by a woman known only as Crysten.

Marared ferch Llywelyn (c.1198-after 1263) married John de Braose of Gower, a nephew of Reginald de Braose, and after his death married Walter Clifford of Bronllys and Clifford.

Other illegitimate daughters were Gwenllian ferch Llywelyn, who married William de Lacey, and Angharad ferch Llywelyn, who married Maelgwn Fychan.


In April 1226 Joan obtained a papal decree from Pope Honorius III, declaring her legitimate on the basis that her parents had been unmarried at the time of her birth, but without giving her a claim to the English throne.

In 1230, Llywelyn discovered Joan in adultery with William de Braose in their bedchamber. William de Braose was hanged, and Joan herself was imprisoned for some time before Llywelyn accepted her back as his wife.

Joan was buried at the priory of Llanfaes near Beaumaris, and her stone coffin can be seen in Beaumaris parish church.


At Easter 1230, William de Braose, 10th Baron Abergavenny, who was Llywelyn's nominal prisoner at the time, was discovered together with Joan in Llywelyn's bedchamber. William de Braose was hanged in the marshland at the foot of Garth Celyn, the place known since as Gwern y Grog.

Joan herself was placed out of public view, under virtual house arrest, at Garth Celyn, for twelve months after the incident. She was then (apparently) forgiven by Llywelyn, and restored as wife and princess. She may have given birth to a daughter early in 1231.

Joan was never called Princess of Wales, but, in Welsh, "Lady of Wales." She died at the royal home, Garth Celyn, Aber Garth Celyn, on the north coast of Gwynedd in 1237. Llywelyn's great grief at her death is recorded; he founded a Franciscan friary on the seashore at Llanfaes, opposite the royal home, in her honour. The friary was consecrated in 1240, shortly before Llywelyn died.


Chronology of the time period: The Third Crusade follows upon Saladin's uniting the Muslim world and recapturing Jerusalem. 1189-1192 The first known merchant guild. 1193 Sack of Constantinople during the Fourth Crusade. 1204 University of Cambridge is founded. 1209 King John seals Magna Carta

Fiction

This princess Joan and her affair with William de Braose was the subject of Saunders Lewis's Welsh verse play Siwan.

Joan appears as a main character in Sharon Kay Penman's historical novel "Here Be Dragons".

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Sources

Sources: The book, 'Pedigrees of some of the Emperor Charlemagne's Descendants' The book, 'Queens of England' The book, 'Four Gothic Kings' The book, 'The Oxford History of the British Monarchy' The book, 'Now I Remember' The book, They Came with the Conqueror' -------------------- THE TIMES Monarch Henry II 1154-1189 Richard I (The Lion Heart) 1189-1199 John 1199-1216 Henry III 1216-1272

References Michael Prestwich , Edward I (London: Methuen, 1988, updated edition Yale University Press , 1997 ISBN 0-300-07209-0 ) Thomas B. Costain, The Three Edwards (Popular Library, 1958, 1962, ISBN 0-445-08513-4 ) The Times Kings & Queens of The British Isles, by Thomas Cussans (page 84, 86, 87) ISBN 0-0071-4195-5 GWS Barrow, Robert Bruce and the community of the realm of scotland

Source

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  • WikiTree profile Llywelyn-15 created through the import of My-Family-26-May-2011.ged on May 26, 2011 by Kerry Langlands.

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  • WikiTree profile England-713 created through the import of heinakuu2011-6.ged on Jul 5, 2011 by Johanna Amnelin.

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  • WikiTree profile Plantagenet-1063 created through the import of 2010-09-14.ged on Jul 28, 2011 by Bob Carson.
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This person was created through the import of LJ Pellman Consolidated Family_2011-03-21.ged on 21 March 2011.

  • WikiTree profile Lackland-9 created through the import of Cato Family Tree_book_EN.ged on Sep 21, 2011 by Linda Cato.

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  • WikiTree profile England-553 created through the import of WILLIAMS 2011.GED on Jun 22, 2011 by Ted Williams.

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http://plantagenesta.livejournal.com/

http://www.princesofgwynedd.com/characters-joanna.html

Footnotes

Wikipedia: Her mother's name is known only from Joan's obituary in the Tewkesbury Annals, where she is mysteriously called "Regina Clementina" (Queen Clemence). Joan's stone coffin can be seen in Beaumaris parish church, Anglesey. Above the empty coffin is a slate panel inscribed: This plain sarcophagus, (once dignified as having contained the remains of Joan, daughter of King John, and consort of Llewelyn ap Iowerth, Prince of North Wales, who died in the year 1237), having been conveyed from the Friary of Llanfaes, and alas, used for many years as a horsewatering trough, was rescued from such an indignity and placed here for preseravation as well as to excite serious meditation on the transitory nature of all sublunary distinctions. By Thomas James Warren Bulkeley, Viscount Bulkeley, Oct 1808.

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Biography

Joan was born in 1188. Joan Plantagenet ... She passed away in 1237. [5]

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  1. Entered by Wendy Hampton, Sep 9, 2012
  2. Entered by Jean Maunder.
  3. Entered by Eric Shawula, Nov 8, 2012
  4. Entered by Wendy Hampton, Sep 9, 2012
  5. Entered by Katherine Wall, Sunday, October 20, 2013.

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Johanna Unknown ... [6]

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  1. Entered by Wendy Hampton, Sep 9, 2012
  2. Entered by Jean Maunder.
  3. Entered by Eric Shawula, Nov 8, 2012
  4. Entered by Wendy Hampton, Sep 9, 2012
  5. Entered by Katherine Wall, Sunday, October 20, 2013.
  6. Entered by Travis Wagner, Oct 18, 2012



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Date: 1164-10
Place: Angers, Maine-Et-Loire, France

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Death

Death:
Date: 1199-09-04
Place: Rouen, Seine-Maritime, France

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On January 8, 2014 Jean Maunder wrote:

Who was Joan's mother?http://plantagenesta.livejournal.com/53309.html suggest that Sharon Kay Penman's novel, 'Here Be Dragons', invents a character named Clemence d'Arcy, a well-born Norman girl impregnated by John and then cast off, who dies in alcoholic misery.

The only source that explicitly names Joan's mother as a Clemence is her obit in the Tewkesbury Annals: Obiit domina Johanna domina Walliae, uxor Lewelini filia regis Johannis et regina Clemencie, iii. kal. Aprilis."According to the Worcester Annals, Joan and Llywelyn were married at Ascensiontide 1206, so they would've married in mid-May 1206, according to the helpful Medieval Calendar. The only hint we have to Joan's age is the papal decree of Honorius III legitimizing her.


On January 8, 2014 Jean Maunder wrote:

Botelier- Verdun - Pinel could all be the maiden name of Clementia,


As the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy states: the second mistress of John Lackland: CLEMENTIA, daughter of ---. The Annals of Tewkesbury names “reginæ Clemenciæ” as the mother of “domina Johanna Walliæ, uxor Lewelini, filia regis Johannis” when recording her daughter´s death[589]. Weir names “Henry Pinel” as Clementia´s husband[590]. The primary source which confirms this information has not been identified.

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It is suggested in http://plantagenesta.livejournal.com/ that one could debate 'Who was this Queen Clemence?' The only Queen Clemence in Europe at that time was Clemence of Toulouse, wife of Sancho VII of Navarre, and it seems doubtful that John had a liaison with such a prominant woman without


On January 7, 2014 John Schmeeckle wrote:

I changed Joan's mother to D'Arcy-102, per The Peerage.com and Joan's wikipedia page. That profile correctly shows Clementina's name (no "Agatha"), and it correctly shows no known parents, although "D'Arcy" should be changed to UNKNOWN. There's no need to create a completely new profile.


On December 4, 2013 Philip Hotlen wrote:

My mtDNA is U5b2b2. My tree is built around entries at Ancestry.com. There is a fair chance that I am a direct maternal line descendant from Joan Plantagenet. This should be provable or disprovable when females along that line have their mtDNA tested.


On May 15, 2012 Lindsay Coleman wrote:


On May 3, 2012 Lindsay Coleman wrote:

Joan was a natural daughter of King John of England. She should not be confused with her half-sister Joan, Queen Consort of Scotland


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