Alice Powell
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Alice Powell (abt. 1626 - abt. 1650)

Alice Powell
Born about in James River, Jackson County, Colony of Virginiamap
Daughter of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
[spouse(s) unknown]
[children unknown]
Died about at about age 24 in Surry County, Colony of Virginiamap
Profile last modified | Created 13 Apr 2011
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Contents

Biography

Alice Powell was the daughter of William Powell, Captain of the fort at Jamestown, Virginia.

Research Notes

Place Creation

Jackson County, West Virginia, (Virginia at the time) was created on 1 Mar 1831, from portions of Kanawha County, Mason County and Wood County, Virginia.

Relationships

Alice had a brother, named George, who owned property on Chippokee Creek. When George died, he left a daughter named Mary(e) and Thomas Warren became her guardian. Alice has been thought to have been the first wife of Thomas Warren,[1] but this profile was detached from his on 3 June 2021 (see this comment on his profile). Their marriage was said to have been in Surry County, Virginia from "after 1644 (to about 1650)".

Guardianship of "Marye Powell" is established in a record entry in Surry county, February 5, 1652. It is most probable that the Court was guided by a family connection, in that Thomas Warren's wife was Mary's paternal aunt. Thomas was 28 years of age. It is also significant that Thomas named his first daughter Alice, born 1645, and that his first son, born 1648, was named William, presumably after Alice's father. [2]

Warnings

Upon saving, 5 June 2020, received the following automated message:

Warning: Check the data.
  • A mother's birth date (Whitney-365 born 1553) should not be more than 67 years before the birth date of one of her children (Powell-913 born 1626).
  • A father's death date (Powell-979 died 1622) should not be more than nine months before one of his children's birth dates (Powell-913 born 1626).

Sources

  1. Hugh Watson, "Climbing Your Family Tree," Daily News, Newport News, Virginia, July 27, 1969
  2. A History And Genealogy Of The Gookin Family Of England, Ireland And America compiled by Richard N. Gookins, Salem, Oregon, 1983, available online here: https://archive.org/details/AHistoryAndGenealogyOfTheGookinFamilyOfEnglandIrelandAndAmerica/page/n51/mode/1up

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I see no sources that establish Alice was daughter of William Powell and/or Margaret (Whitney) Powell. Birth/death dates of purported parents and dates on Alice's profile do not work. I am removing her as daughter. If in future, sources and accurate dates are located proving she is daughter, she can be reattached.
same message as from June 2020 (in Research Notes):
Warning: Check the data.
  • A mother's birth date (Whitney-365 born 1553) should not be more than 67 years before the birth date of one of her children (Powell-913 born 1626) .
  • A father's death date (Powell-771 died 1622) should not be more than nine months before one of his children's birth dates (Powell-913 born 1626) .
posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
Alice Powell should be removed as the wife of Thomas Warren and mother of William and Alice. Here's why.

The current argument for her to be his wife is as follows, and it is pure conjecture:

"Guardianship of "Marye Powell" is established in a record entry in Surry county, February 5, 1652. It is most probable that the Court was guided by a family connection, in that Thomas Warren's wife was Mary's paternal aunt. Thomas was 28 years of age. It is also significant that Thomas named his first daughter Alice, born 1645, and that his first son, born 1648, was named William, presumably after Alice's father."

This argument was presented in the older version of the "Gookin Book" referenced above and available online. However in a later edition that is not available online, this argument was discarded after the author Richard Gookins corresponded with John Frederick Dorman. Dorman presented a compelling argument that Thomas Warren was appointed guardian for other reasons and was never married to Alice Powell. It was also stated if he had then why was his daughter Alice Warren never mentioned in the disposition of the Powell estate?

A couple of other possibilities for Warren's first wife are mentioned, but in this more recent edition of the "Gookin Book", the name of his first wife is left as undetermined. Unless somebody has stronger evidence, then Alice Powell should be removed as a wife of Thomas Warren and mother of William and Alice.

I can post a photo of this more recent argument if y'all want, but it is too long to type out the whole thing.

posted by Randall Merriott
edited by Randall Merriott
Randall - I see no counter-argument to your proposal. I have removed PPP, so you should be able to proceed.
posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
Thanks for that. I was able to remove Alice Powell as mother of Alice Warren, however, I am unable to remove her as Thomas Warren's wife. You may have to remove PPP on Thomas Warren for me to do that.
posted by Randall Merriott
edited by Randall Merriott
I went ahead and removed Warren-1125. Thanks Randall!

Question: Does Alice's profile need to be re-locked now?

posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
Not really sure this is necessary. Thanks for fixing that.
posted by Randall Merriott
edited by Randall Merriott
Thank You Lynette but we need a source that is rock solid. This is unsourced.
posted by Anonymous Roach
Hi pms, do you have any sources to assist in clarifying the birth and parents of Alice? Thanks, Gillian
posted by Gillian Thomas
Findagrave is a questionable source. IT IS INCORRECT. And should not be used. Other sources should be found.
posted by Anonymous Roach
Elizabeth is the mother of Alice and not Margaret, as William had his first child with his second wife, Elizabeth in 1611, and all of the children born after that are Elizabeth's and not from his first wife, Margaret.
posted by [Living Walker]
Warren-8208 is not the correct Thomas Warren to be Alice's husband. Please check it out.
posted by Anonymous Roach
Findagrave.com information regarding this group of family members is incorrect and cannot be trusted. And is unsourced. This information is actually in dispute on the site. It should not be considered a source.
posted by Anonymous Roach
This profile seems to be a profile that started out out as Spencer-5837. And was merged and was edited down to what it is today. And none of it is sourced.
posted by Anonymous Roach
Can anyone provide documentation as to whether or not Powell was her last name at birth. Or if Spencer was. Other than Findagrave.com. this source is undocumented.
posted by Anonymous Roach
I keep running across info that this Alice was at one time a Spencer. Can anyone provide documentation for that info?
posted by Anonymous Roach
Sure Trudy.
posted by Jason Panick

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