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Henry Primrose (abt. 1500 - 1576)

Henry Primrose
Born about in Culross, Perthshire, Scotlandmap [uncertain]
Son of [uncertain] and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
Husband of — married [date unknown] [location unknown]
Descendants descendants
Died at about age 76 in Scotlandmap
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Biography

The various stories of the Primrose family give this Henry as the progenitor of the family. However this is decidedly unclear and is placed here for further investigation and confirmation with reliable sources.

The name: Primrose is coming from the lands of primrose in the parish of Dunfermline. It has been suggested that it originally came from the old British, "prenn rhos: meaning 'tree of the moor'. The Primroses were well settled in Fife, and particulary around the Abbey of Culross. Henry Primrose, who was believed to be born abt 1490, had four sons and one daughter. [1]
A Henry Primrose was born abt 1490 in Culross, Fife, Scotland, and died April 1576 in Scotland He married Unknown Primrose abt 1509 in Culross, Fifeshire, Scotland Children of Henry Primrose and Mrs Henry Primrose are [2][3]
  1. David Primerose, b. 1520, Culross, Fife, Scotland169, d. 1574, Culross, Fife, Scotland he married Janet Blaw (Bleau)[4]
A Henry Primrose (b 1490) is mentioned in Great Seal charters at Culross from 1558 onwards (see those listed, below) and Rets. and Decreets lxiii 379; Protocol Book of James Primrose of Newlands[5]) . He had at least 4 sons[6] and possibly also James of Newlands clerk of Culross and Peter of Burnbrae who died 1584[7]).[8][9]
A Henry Primrose was a landholder or tenant in Culross next to Byregrange (Gilbert Primrose later had land in Byrefield) 28 July 1558.[10] Henry is further recorded as a landholder or tenant in Culross on 12th August 1575 and 8th November 1586.[11] Further a Henry Primrose held land at Culross next to Barhill on 5th Dec 1586.[12] (Archibald Primrose also held land next to Barhill at this time.)
A Henry Primrose is recorded “occupying” the Windmill Cross (dates wanting) in charters confirmed 20 Mar 1587/8 and 22 Dec 1591 where again the index gives him as “elder” but there is nothing in the printed charters to suggest this.[13] Despite the dates of these confirmations (confirmations can be some time later) Henry was by then deceased .
The Testament Dative & Inventory of Henry Primrose, feuar (landholder) of one quarter of Kincardin in the parish of Culross, Perthshire, was proved on 31st July 1587.[14]

Research Notes

It would appear that all of the above may relate to "the late Henry Primrose in Burnbrae" whose wife Margaret Beveridge, described as his relict, had an Order for Protection from harassment for herself and her family dated 31st January 1588/9.[15]
Strays: It seems possible that Henry may have had a son, Archibald, who was described as sometime Chamberlain of Culross Abbey when he died in 1594 and his Testament Dative & Inventory were proved on 26th February 1595.[16]

Gregory Lauder- Frost writes: I would seriously question secondary sources unless they cite a checkable primary source. There is absolutely nothing in "The Scots' Peerage" for any Primroses in the 16th century. Henry does not appear in any charters under The Great Seal before 1558. This would indicate that before this period he was a feuar or a tenant of the Abbey at Culross.

Sources

  1. Source: Richard Lee White Family of Morehead Primrose Webclans Primrose
  2. Source: KY:Information about Henry
  3. Not a credible source
  4. No credible source
  5. No mention of Henry in this.
  6. Evidence?
  7. Edinburgh Testaments, Scottish Record Society, Edinburgh Edinburgh Testaments
  8. Transcripts required.
  9. quote from: Genealogy Wise Primrose family Scotland A. Macbeth Mitchell
  10. The Great Seal of Scotland no. 984 confirmed 1 May 1586.
  11. The Great Seal of Scotland, nos.109 & 1269 confirmed 1 Dec 1586 and 8 June 1587.
  12. The Great Seal of Scotland, no.1087 confirmed 1 Dec 1586. The Index describes him as “elder” but it does not say this in the printed charter.
  13. The Great Seal of Scotland, nos: 1496 & 1984.
  14. National Records of Scotland, Edinburgh Commissariot Court, CC8/8/18.
  15. The Register of the Privy Council of Scotland edited by David Masson, LL.D., vol.iv, Edinburgh, 1881, p.350.
  16. National Records of Scotland, Edinburgh Commissariot Court, CC8/8/27.
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Acknowledgements

  • This person was created through the import of 12102010.ged on 20 December 2010.




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Hello Bea, I agree that these estimated dates are all over the place and unreliable. This is one of the big problems with Wikitree plus relying upon secondary and third sources. Plus sweeping statements referring to references - see para beginning with "A Henry Primrose (b.1490)" inferring that these sources give us this year of birth. They do not. The Protocol Book does not mention Henry! The family tree commissioned by Lord Rosebery, a copy of which is in the National Archives, is pure conjecture before James, the Writer. It is like pulling odd names out of a hat and slotting them in wherever convenient. It is a joke like so many of these 19th century things. Read the great expert on all this, J. Horace Round. We know when Henry died. I think it unlikely he was almost 100.
posted by Gregory Lauder-Frost
That would be nice for sure...and noticed the estimated year of birth now is 1500 for Henry, which looking at the, also estimated, year of the marriage (1509) and the, also estimated, years of Birth of the children, seems to be a little too late ? If the marriage was in about 1509 and the first child was born in abt 1514 an estimated year of birth of 1489 or 1490 probably is better ?

No sources for any of these dates I'm affraid, but it's mentioned in this thread and here KY:Information about Henry (see also profile of the by some supposed father Peter..so that's where the dates where based on a bit I think). But if you feel the 1500 date is more accurate you of course can also just adjust the year of his marriage. The father is already marked as uncertain and don't know if there's something mentioning a Peter Primrose suggesting he might be his father ?

posted by Bea (Timmerman) Wijma
Ah well, Bea, I am afraid the majority of genealogical primary sources are still not available on-line. Scottish Wills, however, may be accessed on-line via Scotland's People website.
posted by Gregory Lauder-Frost
Thank you Gregory, and yes I know it's all not certain and a lot might be based on just assuming things or just because of a name or similar names running in one family etc. so it would be great to have sources/actual records and links to sources (if they are available online) added to the profiles, so everyone can help to try and have things as accurate as possible.

So if for example this testament is available online somewhere, perhaps we could add a link or upload a scan and ask in G2G if there are members related or interested in this family as well, that also can help decipher the testament ?

Hope it helps and greets from the Netherlands,

Bea

posted by Bea (Timmerman) Wijma
A Henry is mentioned in a few charters as stated but in a minor manner and how the writer can prove the children etc would be interesting. There are two Testaments for a Peter Primrose, portioner (landholder) of Kincardin (in Culross parish) in 1587 and 1611 but I am unable to read the poor script.
posted by Gregory Lauder-Frost
Primrose-326 and Primrose-5 appear to represent the same person because:

Hi,

These very likely are the same and can be merged thanks, a lot of (orphaned) profiles are already present for many of the Primrose familymembers and some families are mixed up or just have wrong estimated dates added, the problem is there were no sources added to most of the by gedcom imported older ones, so before creating new profiles it's better to first look if there are no profiles for them already with perhaps just wrong estimated dates or with perhaps info and sources (for leads) added to them that show who they were or if perhaps they still need to be connected to already present parents..

Greets and many thanks in advance, all help is appreciated,

Bea :)

posted by Bea (Timmerman) Wijma
Hi Gregory,

We have been (and are still) trying to sort out all the Primrose's and to have them all sourced and improved, a lot of them were and perhaps still are mixed up, so it's quite a puzzle, but..if you would like to help, here's a free space page for the Primrose family that was started by William that perhaps might help.

All help is very much appreciated of course so just keep up the wonderful work !

Greets and hope it helps,

Bea :)

posted by Bea (Timmerman) Wijma

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