Robert (Quincy) de Quincy
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Robert (Quincy) de Quincy (bef. 1200 - abt. 1256)

Sir Robert de Quincy formerly Quincy
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Husband of — married before 5 Dec 1237 [location unknown]
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Died about after about age 56 in Englandmap
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Sir Robert de Quincy is the son of Magna Carta surety baron Saher de Quincy (see text below).

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Biography

Robert de Quincy was son of Saher de Quincy and Margaret de Beaumont.[1][2] He was the second of their sons to be called Robert.[3] He was born before 1200.[1][2]

Before 5 December 1237 Robert became the second husband of Ellen of Wales, daughter of Llewelyn the Great and widow of John of Scotland.[1][2] According to the Annals of Dunstable, they married against the wishes of her father.[4] They had three daughters:

In 1235 Robert was given seisin of the manors of Colne, Cambridgeshire (granted to him by his father) and Ware, Hertfordshire (a gift of his mother) "without prejudice to any right".[5]

Robert took a crusading vow in 1250, though this does not necessarily mean he actually went on crusade.[6][7]

In 1253 Robert's older brother Roger agreed terms with him for holding the manor of Ware, Hertfordshire, and the following year he was given the right to hold an annual fair there.[1][2] He also held lands in Bedfordshire, Hertfordshire and Wiltshire. His wife brought brought him manors in Northamptonshire, Warwickshire, Worcestershire and Shropshire.[1][2] In April 1253, Robert and his wife were confirmed in a right to have tallage of their tenants at a place called "Writel'".[8]

Robert's wife Ellen died before 5 August 1253 when royal escheators were ordered to restore to Robert lands that his deceased wife had held, as he had a child by her.[9]

Douglas Richardson states that Robert died at a tournament in "Blie" in August 1257.[1][2] This is incorrect. The tournament was at Blyth, Nottinghamshire (Latinised as Blie), but on 4 June 1256,[10] A January 1257 entry in Matthew Paris's Chronica Majora records Robert's death at about Christmas 1256, saying that he never recovered from the tournament at which he had exerted himself beyond his strength.[11]

Sources

  1. 1.0 1.1 1.2 1.3 1.4 1.5 1.6 1.7 1.8 Douglas Richardson. Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 4 vols, ed. Kimball G. Everingham, 2nd edition (Salt Lake City: the author, 2011), Vol. II, pp. 474-476, KENT 2, Google Books
  2. 2.0 2.1 2.2 2.3 2.4 2.5 2.6 2.7 2.8 Douglas Richardson. Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 5 vols, ed. Kimball G. Everingham (Salt Lake City: the author, 2013), Vol. V, pp. 302-304, WALES 7
  3. Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, Vol. III, pp. 407-408, QUINCY 1.i and 1.ii, Google Books
  4. 4.0 4.1 4.2 4.3 Charles Cawley. "Medieval Lands', entry for 'Robert'
  5. 'Close Rolls, February 1235', in Calendar of Close Rolls, Henry III: Volume 3, 1234-1237, ed. H C Maxwell Lyte (London, 1908), pp. 45-54, British History Online, accessed 23 October 2021
  6. Dictionary of National Biography, 1885-1900, Vol. 47, pp. 113-116, entry for 'Quincy, Saer de', Wikisource
  7. Christopher Tyerman. England and the Crusades, University of Chicago Press, 1996, p. 403, note 4 to Chapter Five, Google Books
  8. 'Close Rolls, April 1253', in Calendar of Close Rolls, Henry III: Volume 7, 1251-1253, ed. A E Stamp (London, 1927), pp. 336-348, British History Online, accessed 23 October 2021
  9. 'Close Rolls, August 1253', in Calendar of Close Rolls, Henry III: Volume 7, 1251-1253, ed. A E Stamp (London, 1927), pp. 402-415, British History Online, accessed 23 October 2021
  10. Matthew Paris. Chronica Majora (ed. Henry Richards Luard), Vol. V, Longman & Co, 1872, p. 557, Google Books}
  11. Matthew Paris, Chronica Majora, Vol. V, p. 609, Google Books

Acknowledgements

  • Thank you to Carol McDonald for sharing information she found in State records.

Magna Carta Project

This profile was reviewed and edited for the Magna Carta Project by Michael Cayley in September 2020 and approved 6 Oct 2020 by Thiessen-117.
Robert (Quincy) de Quincy appears in Magna Carta Ancestry in a Richardson-documented trail from Gateway Ancestor Judith Knapp to Magna Carta Surety Baron Saher de Quincy (vol. II, pages 504-508 KNAPP). The trail was developed for the Magna Carta Project by Michael Cayley and was badged 6 Oct 2020. The trail is outlined in the Magna Carta Trails section of John Knapp's profile.
Robert is also and ancestor other Gateways, including Barbara Aubrey, John Bevan, and Thomas Owsley (Magna Carta Ancestry, II:474-501 KENT); however, these trails have not yet been developed by the Magna Carta Project.
See Base Camp for more information about identified Magna Carta trails and their status. See the project's glossary for project-specific terms, such as a "badged trail".




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Richardson's place and date of death of Aug 1257 in Blie England, as used here, are incorrect. Matthew Paris says (Chronica Maiora, vol. V, p.609):
circa idem tempus, festis videlicet Natalitiis, obiit abbas Sancti Edmundi. Obieruntque ... Robertus de Quinci et Willelmus Longaspata ... qui in torneamento de Blie adeo viriliter et ultra vires decertaverant, ut laxatis nervorum compagibus, nunquam postea plenae sanitati restuebantur.

This is recorded in the early days of January 1257, implying that he died about Christmas 1256, having over-exerted himself at the Tournament of Blyth and never recovered. The tournament at Blyth was held 4 June 1256 (Chronica Maiorum V 557, compare William (Longespee) Longespée (abt.1236-bef.1257) who also died after over-exertion at the tournament, Complete Peerage 2nd ed. vol.11 p.384.)

posted by Andrew Millard
Thank you. I have amended the death date and place, and added to the bio.
posted by Michael Cayley
I plan shortly to review this profile on behalf of the Magna Carta Project.
posted by Michael Cayley
I have now finished the main work I currently intend on this profile. If anyone spots any typos etc, please either correct them or message me. Thanks.
posted by Michael Cayley
update: all fixed.

Hi! Text says he married Elen "the Elder"... who would be ferch_Llewelyn-1, but the profile attached as mother for his children is for Helen the Younger (Llywelyn-16). Helen the Younger was detached as a wife in August 2015, but she kept the kids. I've posted notes to their pages about switching moms.

posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
There's a problem with his two wives -- probably the same person, but with a big difference in birth years.
posted by [Living Schmeeckle]

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