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James Randolph Sr (abt. 1725 - bef. 1797)

James Randolph Sr
Born about in Colony of Virginiamap [uncertain]
Son of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
Husband of — married about 1748 in Province of North Carolinamap [uncertain]
Husband of — married after 12 Dec 1781 (to before Oct 1797) in Caswell, North Carolina, United Statesmap
Descendants descendants
Died before before about age 72 in Caswell, North Carolina, United Statemap
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Contents

Biography

James Randolph was born about 1725[1] in Virginia.[citation needed]

James married first Margaret Smalley in 1748 in North Carolina.[citation needed]

He married second Mary (Polly) Dye after 12 December 1781 in Caswell County, North Carolina, when James and David Shelton posted £50 bond, and James obtained license to marry.[2]

On 20 December 1781, James Randolph of Caswell County, North Carolina, entered into indentures with four sons, selling or giving each of them land in Caswell County:[3][4][5][6]

  • James Randolph of CC to James Randolph Jun'r (his son), for 100 lbs, 90 acres in CC, on County Line Cr, bounded as follows: adj Abram Dunaway, William Hall, William Randolph. Wit: A'd Murphy, H. Harralson.
  • James Randolph of CC to Robert Randolph (his son) of CC, for 100 lbs, 90 acres in CC, on Country Line Cr, bounded as follows: adj James Randolph Jun'r, on the main road. Ann Smith, William Ragsdale. Wit.: A'd Murphy, H. Harralson, Benj'n Debow.
  • James Randolph of CC to Abram Randolph (his son) of CC, for love of his son, 90 acres in CC, on Branches of North Fork of Smiths Mill Cr, bounded as follows: adj Abrum Dunaway, Reuben Taylor, Wm. Randolph, Robert Randolph. Wit.: A'd Murphy, H. Harralson, Benj'n Debow.
  • James Randolph of CC to William Randolph (his son) *of CC, for love & regard to his son, 90 acres in CC, on both sides Ann Merrits Mill Cr, bounded as follows: adj Reubin Taylor, Ann Smith, Mereweather's Fork on Dan R, along the road to lines of Robert & James Randolph. Wit: A'd Murphy, H. Harralson, Benj'n Debow.

He was residing in Caswell County in 1790. (there are two James Randolph's documented in Caswell County, NC in 1790)* 1790 Census: "1790 United States Federal Census"
The National Archives in Washington, DC; Washington, DC; First Census of the United States, 1790.; Year: 1790; Census Place: Caswell, North Carolina; Series: M637; Page: 81
Ancestry Record 5058 #159629 (accessed 11 October 2023)
James Randolph in Caswell, North Carolina.

James died before October 1797, presumably in Caswell County, North Carolina.[7]

Children

James' children with his first wife (unknown) presumably include:

  1. James Jr, b. bef. 20 Dec 1760.
  2. Robert, b. bef. 20 Dec 1760.
  3. Abraham, b. bef. 20 Dec 1760.
  4. William, b. bef. 20 Dec 1760.
  5. Rebecah, presumably b. bef. 15 Jun 1776, unmarried, and living with her parents in 1797.
  6. Jeremiah, presumably b. bef. 15 Jun 1776.

James' children with his second wife Mary Dye presumably include:

  1. John, b. aft. 15 Jun 1776.
  2. Nimrod, b. aft. 15 Jun 1776.

James names "my Son in law William Dye" in his Will. Dye could have been married to Rebecah who by tradition went by the name Catherine. Alternatively, Rebecah could be a younger daughter still living at home as James bequeaths her "one feather Bed and furniture, Called her bed." See Disputed Children.

Will & Death

Last Will and Testament of James Randolph Sr[7]
Caswell County, North Carolina.
15 June 1797.
October Court 1797 (proved).

In The Name of God Amen this 15th day of June in the year of our Lord one Thousand seven Hundred and Ninety Seven, I James Randolph Sen'r of the County of Caswell and State of North Carolina being sick and weak of body but of sound Mind and Memory Thanks be given to Almighty God and Calling to Mind The Mortality of my body and uncertainty of this life, do make and ordain this my last Will and Testament in the following Manner and form - And first I commit my soul into the Hands of Almighty God who gave It and my body to the earth to be decently buried in a Christian Manner; And as for Such Worldly Goods as It hath pleased God to bless me with in this life I dispose of them in the following Manner
Imprimise I Give and bequeath to my son John Randolph the land and plantation whereon I now live Containing one Hundred and forty one Acres, when he arrives to the age of Twenty one years, to him and his Heirs and assigns forever, And If he dies without age, Then I leave the land to Nimrod, also five pounds Virginia Money.
Item I Give and bequeath to my son Nimrod Randolph my bed which I lie on, Also five pounds Virginia Money, to him his Heirs and assigns forever --
Item, I Give and bequeath to my daughter Rebecah Randolph one feather Bed and furniture, Called her bed, and one Half of the pewter belonging to the House and one Cow to her and her Heirs forever --
Item I Lend to my Well beloved Wife Mary Randolph all the residue of my estate during her Widowhood, but be It remembered that should my Wife Marry, that then the estate hereby lent to her shall be equally divided between my son Jerremiah Randolph and my son Nimrod -- It is my wish and Desire that If after my death my Wife should die before my Young Children Arrive at age that Robert my son should take his Brother John and raise him and That William should Take Nimrod and raise him to age -- Lastly I constitute Ordain and appoint my beloved son James Randolph and my Son in law William Dye Executors of This my last Will and Testament; and I do hereby revoke and Make Void all Other Will or Wills heretofore by me made ratifying and Confirming this only to be my last Will and Testament.
In Testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed my seal this day and Year first above Written -- his
James Randolph, R his mark {seal}
mark
Signed Sealed published }
pronounced and declared }
as the last Will and Testament }
of James Randolph in presence
of us & each of us
A.E. Murphey (Jurat)
Wm. Gordon (Jurat)
John Carter, x his mark

Caswell County[7]
October Court 1797

The Execution of this Will was duly proved in open Court by the Oaths of Archibald Murphey and William Gordon Two Subscribing Witnesses and on Motion Ordered to be recorded at the Same time James Randolph and William Dye Qualified Executors --
Test A.E. Murphey CCC

On 1 November 1797, a part of the estate of James Randolph, deceased, was sold at twelve months credit.[8] Signed: James Randolph Jun'r (his mark), William Dye (his mark).

Thomas Gatewood / Thomas Read Land Deed

This Indenture[9] made this 3d day of October in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and five between Thomas Read of the County of Caswell and State of North Carolina of one part and Thomas Gatewood & Company of Milton and State of North Carolina of the other part witness that the said Thomas Read for and in Consideration of the Sum of two hundred and fifty Dollars to him in hand paid by the said Thomas Gatewood & Company the Receipt whereof he doth hereby acknowledge that Given and Granted and by these presents doth give grant bargain and Sell alien in fee of release & confirm unto the Said Thomas Gatewood & Company all that tract or parcel of land and premises Situate lying and being in the County of Caswell and on Randolphs Spring branch and of Country line Creek and bounded as followeth to Wit Begining at a Stake in William Moore?s line & runs thence a conditional line South ten degrees East ninety nine poles to a white oak thence South about twenty West forty two poles to a dead post Oak thence south Thirty two Degrees East sixty five poles to a post Oak corner of James Randolp Jr thence East Sixty poles to a hicory [hickory] Saplin a corner of Said Randolps and also a Corner of James Randolps orphans thence North with the line of James Randolph Decd and the lines of Ann Smith one hundred and Ninety two poles to a Stake a corner of Said Smiths old Survey thence West with the lines of Said Smith William Rainey and said William Moore one hundred and one poles to the begining containing by Estimation one hundred and two acres of land be the same more or less with the Reversion and Reversions remainder and Remainders rents issues and propets [?] Thereof To have and to hold the above said land and promises together with all and Singular the appurtenances there unto belonging or in anywise appertaining to the only use benefit and behoof of them the Said Thomas Gatewood & Company their heirs and assigns forever and the Said Thomas Read for himself his heirs Execrs and admrs to and with the Said Thomas Gatewood & Company their heirs Executors and Administrators that the aforesaid tract of land promises Together with all and Singular the appertenances thereunto belonging he will forever Warrant and Defend from the lawful claim or Claims of him his heirs Execrs and Admrs and from the lawful claim or claims of every other person claiming or to claim by from or under him them or any of them to the only proper use benefit and behoof of them the Said Thomas Gatewood & Company their Heirs and assigns forever In Witness whreof he the Said Thomas Read hath hereunto Set his hand and affixed his Seal the day and year first above written

Thomas Reid {seal}

Signed Sealed and Delivered In presence of
Jos Samuell
Durrell Richards
Jno Stanfeild

State of North Carolina
Caswell County
July Court 1806

The Execution of this deed was duly proved in open court by the oath of Josiah Samuel one the Subscribing Witnesses thereto and on motion ordered to be Registered

Test Ad Murphey CC

Research Notes

Conflation occurred because three different Randolph DNA were in Caswell County, North Carolina in same time frame.

Vital Statistics

Name
An unsourced middle name Richard was previously listed in the biography.; likely conflated with incorrect Randolph DNA.

Birth
His birth date is unsourced. The attached children are listed as born between 1750 and 1786, though the 1750 dates are also unsourced. The 1750 birth date of his daughter Rebecah is estimated from her husband's birth date.

James' birth date is therefore estimated from the estimated birth date of his daughter Rebecah, (about 1750 - average 25 years age of father at birth of first child) = about 1725.

An unsourced birth of 17 Jan 1725 in Roanoke Magisterial District, Halifax County, Colony of Virginia was previously (merged) listed in the data field.

An unsourced birth of Sep 1725 in Roanoke, Halifax, Virginia, was previously listed in the biography.

Death
An unsourced death of 17 Jun 1797 at age 72 in Milton, Caswell, North Carolina, United States was previously (merged) listed in the data field.

Purported Parents

Some show his parents as Alexander Randolph and Margaret Swearinger, 1742 Old Edgecombe Co, NC., but without supporting documentation.[citation needed]

Possibilities for His First Wife

Suggested by previous researchers, with not enough supporting documentation:

Rebecca Robertson ("Sister of Thomas")

Jane Barnes

Jane Unknown

Unknown Graves

Margaret Smalley / Unknown Smelley

Frances Bland / Francis Blanch.

Note from L S Randolph: This wife was from conflation of James Richard Randolph and goes to a different DNA Randolph. There is no James Richard Randolph; it is Richard Randolph and James Randolph. Two different people, two different locations and DNA.

One researcher offers the following as evidence that the James R. Randolph of this entry was married to Jane Barnes: 1782 April. James Randolph and wife Jane Randolph of Craven Co. SC [NC] to Moses Stallion of Franklin Co. 320 acres in Franklin Co. on Peach tree Creek half of 640 acres granted by Earl Granville to Thomas Cook by pat. 1760 and conveyed to Jane Barnes by deed Feb. 4, 1765. Wit: Wm Hunt, Wm. Wilson.
If James R. Randolph was married to Jane Barnes, the marriage apparently took place after 4 February 1765 when she was referred to by her maiden name. This suggests that James R. Randolph had a wife (or wives) before Jane Barnes, if, indeed, Jane Barnes was his wife.

Disputed Children

Some researchers cite Rebecah named in the Will as an adult child of James Randolph, married to William Dye named as his son-in-law. It was passed down orally through direct descendants that this older Rebecah went by the name "Catharine" and was a daughter of James Randolph's 1st wife (Unknown).

The Rebecah named in the Will is also reasoned to be a younger child of Mary Dye still living at home because she is left "One feather bed and furniture, called her bed" etc, and also is named "Rebecah Randolph" in the Will rather than "Rebecah Dye."

Some researchers also show Elizabeth Randolph (bef.1781-) as a child of James Randolph, although she isn't named in the Will. [needs reliable source]

Speculative Biography

[Some of the following is speculation and needs to be sourced or dis-proven. The portion reliably sourced should be merged into the biography.]

He is not believed to be related to the famous Randolphs that married into Thomas Jefferson's family. It isn't know if he was born in North Carolina or this country. (source? Possibly supported by DNA information provided by Bill Randle, Y-DNA Randolph project manager.)

It is believed that James lived very close to the border of Virginia where William Dye Jr. lived. (source?)

A James Randolph bought land on the south side of the Tar River in Edgecombe, (south of Caswell County) near his father in 1759. (source?)

He was buried on the Randolph Farm, Bent Road, Stone Marked 'J'. (source?)

There was a James Randolph that surveyed land in Orange / Caswell County, Virginia in 1753, and helped build a road from Halifax to Caswell. Halifax County Va.was right across the border. There is a Halifax County North Carolina and not to be confused with the county in Virginia. (source?)

James Randolph (Randel)'s name is on a petition list to divide Orange Co, 1774. (source?)

He buys land on Country Line Creek, 1777. (source?)

DNA Information

See FTDNA Randolph/Randall/Randle/Randol Surname Group - YDNA, subgroup I-M253: Caswell County.

From Bill Randle, Y-DNA project manager:

"Six James Randolph male descendants have tested and DNA does not connect this line to any other Randolph line at this time."

Sources

  1. See Vital Statistics.
  2. Register of Deeds, Caswell County, North Carolina, Marriage bonds, 1780-1868, Marriage bonds, v. M-R 1780-1868; database with images, FamilySearch (image 1204).
  3. Register of Deeds, Caswell County, North Carolina, Deeds, 1777-1963; land entries, 1778-1863, Deeds, v. A 1777-1782; database with images, FamilySearch (image 332).
  4. Register of Deeds, Caswell County, North Carolina, Deeds, 1777-1963; land entries, 1778-1863, Deeds, v. A 1777-1782; database with images, FamilySearch (image 333).
  5. Register of Deeds, Caswell County, North Carolina, Deeds, 1777-1963; land entries, 1778-1863, Deeds, v. A 1777-1782; database with images, FamilySearch (image 334).
  6. Register of Deeds, Caswell County, North Carolina, Deeds, 1777-1963; land entries, 1778-1863, Deeds, v. A 1777-1782; database with images, FamilySearch (image 334).
  7. 7.0 7.1 7.2 Superior Court, Caswell County, North Carolina, Will records, with some inventories, estates and settlements, 1777- 1963, Vol. A-C, 1777-1800.; database with images, FamilySearch (images 531-532).
  8. Division of Archives and History, North Carolina, Wills and estate papers (Caswell County), 1663-1978, Estates records Rainey, James - Roan, R. L.; database with images, FamilySearch (images 165-167).
  9. Register of Deeds, Caswell County, North Carolina, Deeds, 1777-1963; land entries, 1778-1863, Deeds, v. O-Q 1804-1813; database with images, FamilySearch (image 126).

See also - review for reliable sources and find links:

  • Lorene Randolph, "Re: Graves Family of Caswell County," Genealogy.com (post).
  • County Court Records at Yanceyville, NC. [need more detail]

See also - other family trees:

  • Possible profile: FamilySearch Person: LDKN-FYD for James R. Randolph (1725–1797). [note marriage record dated 12 Dec 1781; not consistent with this couple]
  • Ancestry Profile for James Richard Randall Sr (1725–1797). [unsourced]
  • Ancestry Profile for James Randolph (1725–1797). [unsourced]




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I may have happened upon a clue regarding the Randolph origins. It seems that forever, Alexander Hamilton has been on lists indicating that he is prominent relation in the M253 haplogroup. What I did not realize however, is that Douglas Hamilton, I-Y47396 Y-DNA HAPLOGROUP ( https://www.inquirer.com/philly/entertainment/arts/alexander-hamilton-museum-american-revolution-exhibit-aaron-burr-duel-20181112.html#loaded ), is 1 of only 4 matches provided on my Big Y match list. (2Hogans, Hamilton and an unknown surname) It turns out, looking at Douglas Hamilton’s family Tree, that Alexander Hamilton’s is from Scotland - Grange, Scotland, in fact, – a small hamlet in Moray. His Scottish roots lie in Ayrshire, where his father James Hamilton was the fourth son of the Laird of Grange. His family tree is traced back to the 1500’s on FTDNA. ( https://tree.familytreedna.com/family-tree/family-view?sharedView=a5f8356e-1bcf-4a05-90d2-5be7917192d6 ) Coincidently, Thomas Randolph was the first Earl of Moray and thought to be of Gascon origin, which would be consistent with Haplogroup M-253 reportedly migrating into Scotland during the Normandy Viking Invasions. In the generations that followed, the Randolph’s and Hamilton’s crossed paths in Moray. ie., Gilbert de Hameldun married Isabella Randolph, daughter of Thomas Randolph of Strathdon, Chamberlain of Scotland. Obviously, the problem is, the male Thomas Randolph line seems to fall apart in the late 1300’s. It seems to me that this could be the place to start when researching the M 253 Randolph Line. I'm eager to hear thoughts.
posted by William Randolph
US Southern Colonies Project adding project management (PMP) and project protection (PPP) as co-manager—duplicated.

Please continue to manage normally, and review US Southern Colonies Project Editing Guidance before editing.

posted by Ken Spratlin
Is there a reliable source for the current last name Randall?
posted by Ken Spratlin
The name is RANDOLPH

The Will his of son James Randall (Randolph), 1831 Pulaski County, Kentucky, Will Book 3, P 75-77. In this record his name is "James Randall". Whether phonic spelling of "Randolph" gone awry, Researchers dubbed him "James R Randolph" or "James Randall Randolph". Later on, Ancestry the name morphed to "James Richard Randolph" because of the availability of the records and no map usage, people assumed him incorrectly to "The Randolphs of Henrico". The morph became a conflation of the real "James Richard Randolph of Henrico"

The proper citing should have been James Randolph/Randall. A phonetically misspelled name can become a legal name but does not change the origin of the original DNA haplo-group. Geneanet is a big promoter of the conflation; do not use that forum.

The Family Tree DNA evidence, reflects a possible connection to Giles Randolph who is also I M-253 like James Randolph. (Bill Randle the Administrator of Randolph Family Tree DNA believes the connections is far more distant than most hope for). The chart classifies James Randolph as "Randolph of Caswell County NC" and two other testers with same haplo group I M-253 but call them the "Giles Randolph" group. The working theory is one of Giles Randolph sons is the connector. But after 22 years, the connection has not been found. I used "22 years" based on the research notes of various Randolphs researchers who were on a private Randolph site and control the DNA donors on Family Tree. I personally have been involved 20 years and James direct descendants far longer.

posted by L S Randolph
edited by L S Randolph
This person's Will clearly lists the last name as Randolph. The 1831 Will you refer to is apparently for his son James instead.

This profile's current last name of Randall was changed to Randolph after waiting a week for a response to the question. It appears there is still no reliable source for a current last name of Randall for this profile.

posted by Ken Spratlin
It has always been Randolph- no clue as to why it was recorded as Randall on WT. Thank you for correcting it.
posted by M. (Tull) Meredith
Other than the birth place and children, what else needs to be resolved in this profile or James (Randolph) Randall Sr (1735-1797) to be able to complete the merge proposed on 25 Sep 2023?
posted on Randolph-4925 (merged) by Ken Spratlin
edited by Ken Spratlin
A. There is a fake wife attached- f Margaret (Smalley) Randolph - Can't locate a single source for this woman in North Carolina or married to James Randolph by any name, much less having children by him. (deeds, marriage records, wills, probate- haven't located anything to tie her to James Randolph of Caswell County, North Carolina).

B. Several children connected to Mary Dye as their mother, when they were already adults when James Randolph married Mary Dye as evidenced by he deeded them land the same year. (children who do not belong to Mary Dye: Abraham, James, Robert, and William). C. There isn't an indication that James has the middle name of Randall D. There isn't any proof that James Randolph, Sr was born in Bertie, North Carolina or anywhere in North Carolina- must meet the Genealogical proof standard and other public trees do not meet the standard. E. Fake findagrave profiles do not meet the GPS; For a findagrave to be considered as proof need a headstone or a reliable obituary from a newspaper of the time or another document. We can say he died in Caswell County, North Carolina, but not Milton, Caswell County, North Carolina.

posted on Randolph-4925 (merged) by M. (Tull) Meredith
Can we point to an origin for the fake wife (family trees in large numbers, family genealogy, other)? Can then document that as part of Disproven Existence process.
posted on Randolph-4925 (merged) by Ken Spratlin
Multiple unsourced trees on Ancestry. Even if the tree is partially sourced, there isn't a source for Margaret to be the wife of James Randolph, Sr (not a marriage record of any type; not a will recording Margaret Randolph as an heir or beneficiary as a daughter of a Smalley/Smeldely/other spellings in North Carolina; not a deed transferring property to her or her husband from a Smalley/Smeldy).

There isn't any direct or indirect evidence to support Margaret as the wife &/or mother of James Randolph and his older children. This has been researched for a minimum of 25 years (Randolph Group originally on MyFamily (bought and closed by Ancestry) and now on https://spokt.com/hubs/4906

I have been unsuccessful in locating the original origin of this woman; perhaps the people who continue to record her as James Randolph's wife could weigh in with their direct and/or direct evidence.

posted on Randolph-4925 (merged) by M. (Tull) Meredith
James Randolph of Caswell married Margaret Smalley is very questionable and no records for her can be found.

Fitz Randolphs _there might have been a mix-up and an early researchers assumed James was a Fitz Randolph. This appears to go back at least 23 years on Ancestry.

James was obviously married twice and his second wife was Mary Dye. Where his first wife's name came from; I just can't figure out the source.

I think James Randolph should be Project Protected with first wife Unknown or not listed.

posted by L S Randolph
The earliest book I can locate regarding this Randolph family is The Randolphs

The Randolphs, was published in about 1974. IDENTIFIER 36815 CREATOR Randolph, Lucille Scott EXTENT 378 p. LANGUAGE English eng ACCESS LEVEL Public PAGE COUNT 388

The book details the original source material for the earliest Randolphs in America. Image 77-106 are about the Caswell County Randolphs and includes James' will, probate, deeds, Revolutionary War Vouchers; their search for Randolph graves, and other records. The author mentions James having a first wife, but he does not name her or even speculate about who she may be.

Lucille and Harold Randolph studied the surrounding counties searching for James Randolph. They detail the Revolutionary War events in and around Caswell County.

Image 103 reveals Harold Randolph is a direct descendant of James Randolph, Sr via his son, John, who went to Pulaski County, Kentucky.

here is the URL for the book: https://www.familysearch.org/library/books/viewer/101658/?offset=&return=1#page=1&viewer=picture&o=info&n=0&q=

it does require a login to Familysearch.org

posted on Randolph-4925 (merged) by M. (Tull) Meredith
Other than the birth place and children, what else needs to be resolved in this profile or James Randolph Sr (1725-1797) to be able to complete the merge proposed on 25 Sep 2023?
posted by Ken Spratlin
The above information is and or unsourced.

See also - other family trees:

Ancestry Profile for James Richard Randall Sr (1725–1797). [unsourced] (Col Richard Randolph and Jane Kennon Bolling are not same DNA) Ancestry Profile for James Randolph (1725–1797). [unsourced]

A better Ancestry Tree reference with sources are trees I am working.

James Randall Randolph Sr* 1725–1796 BIRTH 09 MAR 1725/17 JAN 1720 • Bertie District, North Carolina, USA DEATH 14 JUN 1796 • Milton, Caswell County, North Carolina, USA https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/173559570/person/182291435968/facts

James Randall Randolph Sr_ I M-253 1725–1797 BIRTH 09 MAR 1725 • Bertie District, North Carolina, USA DEATH 14 JUN 1797 • Milton, Caswell County, North Carolina, USA https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/172390735/person/352395951553/facts

posted on Randolph-4925 (merged) by L S Randolph
edited by L S Randolph
James Randolph (SR) is giving his older sons land right after he marries Mary Dye in Caswell County, North Carolina:
  • James Senior to giving his sons land in 1781:

Property 20 Dec 1781 • Caswell County, North Carolina Deed Bk A.; #657 - James Randolph of CC to Abram Randolph of same, for love of his son, 90 A on a fork of Smith's Mill Cr adj Abrum Dunaway, Reuben Taylor, Wm. Randolph, Robert Randolph. Wit.: Ad Murphy, H. Harralson, Benj. Debow

Property 20 Dec 1781 • Caswell County, North Carolina Deed Bk A; #655 - James Randolph of CC to Robert Randolph (his son), for 100 lbs, 90 A on Country Line Cre adj James Randolph Jun., on the main road. Ann Smith, William Ragsdale. Wit.: Ad Murphy, H. Harralson, Benj. Debow.

Property 20 Dec 1781 • Caswell County, North Carolina James Randolph of CC to James Randolph, Jr., for 100 lbs, 90 A on Countyry Line Cr adj Abram Dunaway, William Hall, William Randolph. Wit: Ad Murphy, H. Harralson

20 Dec 1781 • Caswell County, North Carolina Deed Bk A, #658 - James Randolph of CC to William Randolph, for love & regard to his son, 90 A both sides Ann Merrit's Mill Cr adj Reubin Taylor, Ann Smith, Mereweather's Fork on Dan R, along the road to lines of Robert & James Randolph. Wit: Ad Murphy, H. H

posted on Randolph-4925 (merged) by M. (Tull) Meredith
Above needs source for Abraham to be his son. James mentioned his 2nd wife's children in the will. The older sons received land prior to the will:

Property 20 Dec 1781 • Caswell County, North Carolina Deed Bk A.; #657 - James Randolph of CC to Abram Randolph of same, for love of his son, 90 A on a fork of Smith's Mill Cr adj Abrum Dunaway, Reuben Taylor, Wm. Randolph, Robert Randolph. Wit.: Ad Murphy, H. Harralson, Benj. Debow

posted on Randolph-4925 (merged) by M. (Tull) Meredith
Randolph-4925 and Randolph-2274 appear to represent the same person because: while the birth is quite different, the wife, son and death are identical. The project needs to determine whether these were intended to be the same person.
posted by Robin Lee
Why is this profile named Randall when all the records (marriage, will) seem to agree he was Randolph?
posted on Randall-1572 (merged) by Judith (Herdt) Dressel
This is a good question. Is there any reason the LNAB should not be changed to Randolph? If no one objects, I plan to change that.
posted on Randall-1572 (merged) by Scott McClain
In the Randolph/Randall/Randle/Randol Surname Group, there are 2 surname subgroups for Haplogroup I-M253 - Caswell County and Giles Randolph. The Giles Randolph Genealogy reports Giles Randolph/Randle Sr. (b. 1640) from St George District, Kent, England and Giles Randolph/Randle II (B. 1665) St Mary, Dover Kent, England. Giles Randle/Randolph II reportedly arrived in Virginia in 1680 and settled in Lower Norfolk County Virginia. He had a son, Giles Randolph III (1688 - 1750) who had a son - James Randolph, (1725). The Giles Randle/Randolph line shares a similar migration history in settling in NC, to Kentucky and to Tennessee. My line Abraham Sr. moves from NC to Alabama to Tennessee. With both the Giles Randle/Randolph's and James Randolph's sharing the same I-M253 haplogroup, it seems more likely that James Randolph could be the son of Giles Randolph 1688- 1750 than to some of the other considerations. Has this hypothesis been ruled out?
posted on Randall-1572 (merged) by William Randolph
edited by William Randolph
Is there any justification at all to retain the "Richard" middle name? As near as I can tell, there are zero primary sources with a middle name and "There is no documentation that he had a middle name" has been part of his Speculative Biography for quite a while.

If nothing turns up to substantiate the middle name, the I'm strongly in favor of removing it.

posted on Randall-1572 (merged) by Brody Finney
I agree. If anyone is aware of a reliable source for the middle name, please speak up. Brody - if now one responds within a few days, please feel free to remove the unsourced middle name.
posted on Randall-1572 (merged) by Scott McClain
Since nothing has come forward in the last ten days, I'm going to remove the middle name.
posted on Randall-1572 (merged) by Brody Finney
James Randolph purchased the lot that he later dispersed to children in 1778:

https://www.familysearch.org/library/books/records/item/490729-caswell-county-north-carolina-land-grants-tax-lists-state-census-apprentice-bonds-estate-records?viewer=1&offset=0#page=27&viewer=picture&o=info&n=0&q=

and https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-998Q-SNCF?i=199&cat=398492

That property mentions "Country line Creek" which implies that it was near the North Carolina/Virginia border. It also mentions Ann Smith line. With the following information, that allows us to place his property in or near Milton N.C. http://sites.rootsweb.com/~nccaswel/families/smith-anne.htm

James sold the 360 acres purchased above to his four sons on 20 December 1781. There is no mention of his wife's dower rights, so possibly this means that his wife had died before this date: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-898Q-35P?i=331&cat=398492 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-998Q-3V8?i=332&cat=398492 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-998Q-3RC?i=333&cat=398492 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-998Q-3RC?i=333&cat=398492

Robert (of Person County) sold his 90 Acre property back to James Senr. on 7 May 1793 for 15 pounds Virginia money: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-898M-83H8?cat=398492 and https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-898M-83H8?i=305&cat=398492

A later purchase of land by William Dye in 1795 involved a lot in Caswell NC that included mention of Ann Smith's former corner post, James Randolph's line and Ann Merrit's line: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-898M-8SLK?i=495&cat=398492 (Note - witnessed by James Randolph Jr.)

William Dye sold a portion of the purchase to James Randolph Sr. about a month later: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-898M-8SLC?i=506&cat=398492

James Randolph's will is dated 1797 June 15, but the will was not recorded in court until the October Court of 1797. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939L-JX3V-JN?i=530&cc=1867501&cat=258659 This suggests that James died some months after the will was written, since the estate could not be dispersed until after the court approved the executors. Note that the will disposes of 140 acres of land, which is the 90 that James purchased from Robert Randolph in 1793 and the 50 acres that William Dye sold James in 1795.

A purchase of land by Jacob Dye in 1762 - a portion of which he later gave to William Dye shows that the property lies on the "Country line" and south of the Dann River. This then refers to the Virginia - North Carolina border: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS4V-BTF2?i=638&cat=406522

Jacob sold a portion of the land he retained from the original purchase above to James Reyley in 1784. The boundaries mention the lines of George Conally, Ann Merritt, David Gordon, Addam Gan, William Lee, Jacob Dye, James Phelps. Ann Merrit's property lies in North Carolina and is mentioned in William's land purchase in Caswell in 1795 above. This then confirms that Jacob Dye and William Dye were neighbours across the state line with James Randolph. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSL6-49ZG-T?cat=406522

Note also that when William Dye married the daughter of James Randolph, it likely happened after James bought his property in 1778. William must have married before that date, so James Randolph's daughter would have been a second wife.

One other comment - on the 1785 census of Halifax county http://genealogytrails.com/vir/halifax/1785census.html William shows 9 in his household. At that date, he likely had 5 children, what with the war and losing his first wife and the known later children. That leaves 2 extras. He is shown as having an adult brother with him in head tax censuses starting in 1789, so the two extras may have been his mother and father or, assuming that his father had died by then, his mother and brother. I think that Jacob Dye's wife did not mention William because she was living with him and was the only son who had not sold at least some of the land transferred to him.

Also, the 1770 transfer of land from Jacob Dye to William Dye is immediately followed by an identical transfer of land to Jacob Dye Jr. - same amount of land, same wording and same date. That looks more like the equal treatment of siblings than a variety of payment for services rendered. And at that date, William would have been 23 and not likely to have been a skilled craftsman. That date also is very near the date of the birth of William's first child, and more of a motivation (for a father) than payment for services rendered. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS4V-5SKT-F?cat=406522 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS4V-5SKF-X?i=617&cat=406522 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS4V-5SK6-5?i=618&cat=406522

posted on Randall-1572 (merged) by Paul Sigmundson
edited by Paul Sigmundson
Is it possible that there is a James Richard Randolph, Sr 1725-1797 and a James Richard Randolph, Jr 1750 -1831 where Sr Married Margaret Smalley and Jr. married Mary Margaret Dye? I just don't see Mary Dye agreeing to be wed to an old man 28 Years her senior when there was a perfectly good son approximately the same age.
posted on Randall-1572 (merged) by Gregory (McBeath) MacBeth
Richard has never been proven as his middle name. I don't believe he had a middle name.
posted on Randall-1572 (merged) by Eddie Pike
Email from Bill Randle, Y-DNA project manager for Randolph y-Dna Project. Six James Randolph male descendants have tested and DNA does not connect this line to any other Randolph line at this time.
posted on Randall-1572 (merged) by M. (Tull) Meredith

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