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Judicael Bérenger (Rennes) de Rennes (0931 - bef. 0970)

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Judicael Bérenger "Comte de Rennes" de Rennes formerly Rennes aka de Bretagne
Born in Rennes, Ille-et-Vilaine, Brittanymap
[sibling(s) unknown]
Husband of — married [date unknown] [location unknown]
Died before in Rennes, Ille-et-Vilaine, Bretagne, Francemap
Rennes-31 created 11 May 2016 | Last modified
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At best his father is uncertain and it is more likely they are unrelated. I have changed the LNAB of this profile back to Rennes, please don't change it to Bayeaux without further discussion

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Biography

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Judicaël "Juhael" (d. 970 or by 979), Comte de Rennes,[3][4][1] witnessed charters of Alan II, Duke of Brittany, and on the latter's death apparently fell under the control of Wicohen, Archbishop of Dol. Later sources report the rescue of Judicael and his (unnamed) wife by his son Conan I. He appears to have been dead by 979, when his son was at the court of Odo I, Count of Blois.

Disputed Father: Count Berengar vs. Pascwetan the younger
Conflicting accounts either make him son and successor to a count Berenger (sometimes Berengar of Rennes, sometimes with that man's supposed maternal grandson of the same name) and a daughter of Gurvand, Duke of Brittany.[5] Another 11th-century collection of Angevin genealogies shows him to be son of Pascweten, son of Alan I, joint duke of Brittany.[6]


  • (disputed) Father: Count Berengar[7] OR Pascwetan[8]
  • (disputed) Mother: UNKNOWN de Bretagne (father: Gurwent (Gurvand), Duke of Brittany[9]

Marriage

m. (unproven) Gerberge UNKNOWN. Issue: 3.[10]

  • Conan de Rennes, Comte de Rennes, later Conan I "le tort," Duke of Britanny (d. 27 Jun 992 Conquereil)[2]
  • (unproven) Meen, Seigneur de Fougères (d. 1020).[11]
m. Triscan "Tristan" de Vitre (d. 1045; p. Rivallan de Vitre and Junargonda)[3]

Sources

  • "Juhel [alias] Bérenger." The Henry Project. Web.[13]


Juhel (ante 944 - by 979).[14]

alias: Bérenger

Titles

  • ante 944: Count of Rennes

Disputed Parents

Unverified Father
Conflicting Sources or info


"According to an 11th-century genealogy composed for the Count of Anjou, Alan I's son, Pascweten the Younger, was the father of Judicael Berengar, whose son was Conan I, Duke of Brittany, founder of the House of Rennes" (Wikipedia 04 Feb 2016).[15] ... Cawley (2006, disagrees, naming no spouse or children for Pascwethen.[16] He further states that Judicael, Comte de Rennes was the the son of Berengar, whose parents are UNKNOWN.[17] The Henry Project, however, debates the possibility that Pascweten the Younger is the father of Juhel Berenger, but makes no confirmation of lineage.[18]

Marriage

m. UNKNOWN or Gerberge UNKNOWN.Issue: 1 - 3.[19][20][4]

  • Conan I, Count of Brittany (d. 27 June 992).[21]
  • (disputed/unproven) Meen (d. 1020), Seigneur de Fougères.[22]
  • (disputed/unproven) Enoguen.[23]
m. Triscan de Vitré

Sources

  1. alias: Judicael alias Berengar;[1] Juhel, Judhel, Judhael in Breton sources, Berengarius or Berengarii in Frankish, sometimes both names given together.
  2. Chronicle of Nantes
  3. 3.0 3.1 Chronique de Vitré
  4. The Henry Project claims 1 child, whiie Cawley (2006), states there were 3.
  • Cawley (2006). "Pascwethen (d. after 05 Feb 897/26 Nov 903)." Medieval Lands. Web. [24] (the nephew, died after around 900, not the uncle)
  • "Juhel alias Bérenger Count of Rennes, before 944-965×979." The Henry Project. Web.[25]
  • "Pascweten fl. 895×903." The Henry Project. Web.[26]



European Aristocrats Source
Our main source for medieval genealogy in the European Aristocrats Project is the FMG database MEDIEVAL LANDS: A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families by Charles Cawley,© Foundation for Medieval Genealogy & Charles Cawley, 2000-2016.




Biography

It seems highly likely that the witness to documents known by the Breton name of Juhel (Judhaël or Judicaël) is the same person as another witness known under the Frankish name Bérenger and the Life and translation of St Gildas written in the middle of the eleventh century confirms he was known by both names.

His first definite mention in a document, as Bérenger is dated to 944 but he could be the signatory to earlier documents as well. He signed under Juhael in about 950 and several times under various names in the later 950's. Bérenger and his son Conan are named in a Papal Letter of Pope John XIII (reigned 965-972), dated to about 970, and it seems he had definitely died before 16 August 979 when his son Conan was at the court of Count Eudes of Chartres.[5]

Disputed Parentage

An eleventh century collection of Angevin genealogies names Bérenger as the son of Pascwethen, the son of Alain I the Grand, King of Brittany. This is Baldwin's preferred option.

The other possibility is that he is the son of another Count Bérenger or that Bérengar and Juhel are father and son, rather than the same. This option is preferred by Cawley, who also gives an unnamed daughter of Gurvand, Duc de Bretagne as Judicaël's mother. But as Cawley notes, this is based on a much later publication (Histoire de Bretagne, by A. Le Moyne de la Borderie, published 1898) that doesn't cite any primary documents.

There have been various attempts to identify Bérenger the father, with various men of the period, but there is no reliable evidence for any of these conjectures. Including a recent hypothesis that Juhael Bérenger is the grandson of Bérenger II de Bayeux, Marquis de Neustria[6]

Several Ancestry.com family trees have Berenger de Bayeux and his wife Judith de Rennes as his parents but there seems to be no evidence Judith de Rennes existed. .

Disputed wife

Gerberga or Gerberge is listed as his wife in several sources, but although Gerberge married a man named Bérenger, there seems to be no evidence to equate him with Juhel Bérenger.[7]

Children

He was definitely the father of;

  1. Conan I de Rennes, Comte de Bretagne
  2. Unnamed sons and daughters[8]

And possibly the father of:

  1. Meen (or Main) I, Seigneur de Fougères, died 1020[9]
  2. Enoguen, sister of Main de Fougères, wife of Tristan de Vitré.[10]

Sources

  1. alias: Judicael alias Berengar;[2] Juhel, Judhel, Judhael in Breton sources, Berengarius or Berengarii in Frankish, sometimes both names given together.
  2. Chronicle of Nantes
  3. 3.0 3.1 Chronique de Vitré
  4. The Henry Project claims 1 child, whiie Cawley (2006), states there were 3.
  5. Baldwin
  6. see French Wikipedia article
  7. Baldwin
  8. Baldwin quotes a document of Conan I, where he makes a donation mentioning the souls of his brothers and sisters but with no details or names
  9. Cawley has his name with brackets suggesting he is unsure, and Baldwin thinks this is a later invention
  10. mentioned again by Cawley with brackets, not discussed at all in Baldwin




Note

Note: ref: Wikipedia (http://www. wikipedia.org) (05 May 10) -
Judicael Berengar
Judicael alias Berengar was Count of Rennes in the mid-to-late 10th century. There are conflicting accounts of his parentage, one popular solution making him son and successor to a count Berenger (sometimes identified with Berengar of Rennes, sometimes with that man's supposed maternal grandson of the same name) by a daughter of Gurvand, Duke of Brittany. However, an 11th century collection of Anjevin genealogies shows him to be son of Pascweten, son of Alan I, King of Brittany.
He is first documented as count in 944. He witnessed charters of Alan II, Duke of Brittany, and on the latter's death apparently fell under the control of Wicohen, Archbishop of Dol, later sources reporting the rescue of Judicael and his (unnamed) wife by son Conan. He appears to have been dead by 979, when his son was at the court of Odo I, Count of Blois.


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Collaboration

On 13 Aug 2016 at 20:36 GMT John Atkinson wrote:

Bretagne-169 and Berengar-8 do not represent the same person because: Berengar-8 should be merged with Rennes-31, and it is still not clear who Bretagne-169 is meant to represent - see note on profile page. That issue needs to be addressed and changes made to the profile before anymore merges are suggested.

On 17 Apr 2016 at 18:29 GMT Unknown Unknown wrote:

I think John Atkinson wants to put the Henry Project over FMG.ac for this line. ... The Henry Project lean's towards Juhel's possible/unproven father as Pasweten the younger.[1]

On 17 Mar 2016 at 17:03 GMT Unknown Unknown wrote:

John, are you going to make this the main profile?

On 5 Feb 2016 at 12:01 GMT Esmé (Pieterse) van der Westhuizen wrote:

UNKNOWN-57639 and Bayeux-40 appear to represent the same person because: Exact same first name

On 30 Jun 2014 at 04:35 GMT Vic Watt wrote:

Judicael de Bayeux-1 and Bayeux-40 appear to represent the same person because: Same wife, same death. Please merge. Thanks.

On 14 Jun 2014 at 18:56 GMT Sheri Havens wrote:

Berengar-12 and Berengar-8 are not ready to be merged because: They look the same.



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