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Elizabeth (Rhodes) Oldham (1595 - bef. 1635)

Elizabeth Oldham formerly Rhodes
Born in Derby, Derbyshire, Englandmap
[sibling(s) unknown]
Wife of — married 25 Jan 1616 in All Saints Parish, Derby, Derbyshire, Englandmap
Descendants descendants
Died before before age 40 in Derby, Derbyshire, Englandmap
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Biography

Elizabeth Rhodes (Roads) was born about 1595 or 1596. There is no known christening record for her. It is doubtful that she was the Elizabeth Roodes christened 15 Jan 1587/8 at Staveley, Derbyshire, daughter of Master John Roodes), because that would make her four years older than her husband. Also Staveley is some 25 miles north of Derby. Therefore we should not view Elizabeth Roodes of Stavely the same way we would an Elizabeth Roodes who might have been born in the immediate environs of Derby.

She married Thomas Oldham on 25 Jan 1615/6 in All Saints Parish, Derby, England in the marriage record, her name is spelled "Roades".[1]


There has been speculation that she was a descendant of the "John Rods" who married Agnes Shortt 30 Nov 1560 at All Saints. Some people have leapt from that speculative observation to assert that Elizabeth was the daughter of this couple. This seems very unlikely. Even if Agnes were merely 15 years old at the time of her marriage, her childbearing years would have ended around 1590.

Elizabeth wife of Thomas Oldham was buried from All Saints, Derby, on 18 September 1635.[2]

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Sources

  1. "England, Derbyshire, Church of England Parish Registers, 1537-1918," database with images, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KBD6-2GQ : 19 October 2020), Thomas Oldham and Elizabeth Roades, 25 Jan 1615; citing 25 Jan 1615; citing Marriage, All Saints Church, Derby, Derbyshire, England, Derbyshire Record Office, England; FHL microfilm 1,041,144,
  2. All Saints' parish register

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Also - if John Rodes died in 1570, he sure wasn't the father of Elizabeth who seems to have been born at least 20 years later.
posted by Karen Hardesty
Also, if she in fact married Thomas Oldham in 1615, then it appears it was 6 years before their first child. Something is awry there. I suggest - with no evidence to back this up, that there may have been another wife who is parent to Rebekeh and Jethro. But can't figure out the 6 year gap.
posted by Karen Hardesty
The "1615" marriage date is really 1616 (new style). This couple did in fact have children right on schedule in 1617 and 1619. See my changes to Thomas Oldham's profile. I don't have the time right now to add the children in the proper fashion, but the raw information is there. Also someone needs to create Thomas Oldham's second wife (name unknown), and make her the mother of the Oldham children born after 1636. I suppose that there is a chance that she was the Isabell Oldam buried 19 July 1693 at Blackwell, Derbyshire (about 15 miles NNE of the county town). The record does not identify her as a widow, but if she was,I suppose that the odds would favor her being the widow of the David Oldam who had been buried there 24 November 1691.
posted by Barry Wood
Though I cannot find any source material, two different stories about Elizabeth are told on different sites. One story is that she died in giving childbirth, to youngest son, Joseph, 1631. That story is repeated in several places, including My Heritage etc.

Anoter story says that "In 1623, Captain John “Mad Jack” Oldham, his sister Lucretia, and his brother Thomas's pregnant wife, Elizabeth Rhodes, boarded the Anne and set sail to Plymouth, Massachusetts." This seems unlikely, however,. Because some sources (none original I can find) tell the story that Thomas Oldham, husband of Elizabeth Rhodes, died from plague in 1636, in Derbyshire. It's possible - and I'm guessing - that Elizabeth Rhodes DID die in childbirth in 1631, and that Thomas remarried quickly, another Elizabeth. Because it was, according to most stories, in 1635 that both Thomas (aged 10 then) and his older brother John (aged 12 then) came to America because they had been orphaned, and were housed by Lucritia and by John (Mad Jack). Any insight is welcome. And yes - there are two different but same profiles.

posted by Karen Hardesty
Elizabeth cannot be the mother of Rebekah and Jethro since she died in 1635 (checked in parish register).
posted by Stephen Heathcote
Rhodes-2826 and Rhodes-48 appear to represent the same person because: Same DOB, similar DOD. Rhodes-2826 is unconnected to any other profile.
posted by H Husted

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