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Rutpert II (Robertian) of Hesbaye

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Robert II (Rutpert II) "Rutpert, Chrodobert of Hesbaye; Rodbert of Hesbaye; Count of Rheingau; Count of Worms; Duke of Hesbaye" of Hesbaye formerly Robertian aka von Hesbaye, of Hesbaye, Hesbaye, Worms, of Worms, von Worms
Born about in Wormsgau, Hesbaye, Austrasia, Francemap
Son of and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
Husband of — married [date unknown] [location unknown]
Husband of — married [date unknown] [location unknown]
Died in Worms, Worms, Rheinland-Pfalz, Germanymap
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Biography

Robert II de Hesbaye, est un noble franc de la famille des Robertiens. Fils de Thurimbert, comte de Hesbaye, il est le père de Robert III de Hesbaye et très probablement le grand-père de Robert le Fort1. Il hérita du comté de Worms et d'Oberrheingau après la mort des héritiers de Cancor, son oncle paternel2.

Notes et références

  1. ↑ Karl Ferdinand Werner, Les premiers Robertiens et les premiers Anjou (IXe siècle - Xe siècle), in : Mémoires de la Société des Antiquaires de l’Ouest, 1997.
  2. ↑ Hélène Noizet, L’ascension du lignage robertien : du val de Loire à la Francie, Annuaire-Bulletin de la société de l’histoire de France (année 2004), 2006, p. 19-35.

In: Wikipédia, l'Encyclopédie libre (http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_II_de_Hesbaye : accessed 04 Mar 2013')

Robert of Hesbaye

Robert II, Rodbert or Chrodobert was a Frank who was count of Worms and of Rheingau, and duke of Hesbaye around the year 800. He is the earliest known male-line ancestor of the French royal family (including the Capetians, the Valois and the Bourbons, all of them his male-line descendents.)

Descendants

Robert of Hesbaye is the earliest definitely known ancestor of family known as the Robertians. His son was Robert III of Worms and his grandson was Robert the Strong. Robert of Hesbaye was the great-grandfather of two Frankish kings, Odo and Robert, who ruled in the kingdom of Western Francia.
One of Robert of Hesbaye male-line descendants was Hugh Capet, the founder of the French royal dynasty, which ruled France continuously until as late as 1848 (with a brief interregnum caused by the French revolution). A junior line has held the Spanish Crown since 1700; the current monarch Juan Carlos I and his family are direct descendants.

Possible ancestry

Robert of Hesbaye's father was likely the son of Thuringbert of Worms and Rheingau, and grandson of Robert I, Duke of Neustria (c. 697–764). It is known that the paternal ancestors of Robert I, Duke of Neustria ascended in line as follows:

  1. Lambert II, Count of Haspengau (c. 682–741)
  2. Chrodobertus II, Count of Haspengau (fl. 650)
  3. Lambert I de Haspengau (c. 620–650)
  4. Chrodobertus I de Haspengau (c. 600–630)
  5. Charibert de Haspengau (c. 555–636)

Robert of Hesbaye's mother was possibly Princess Chrotlind, daughter of Theuderic III, Merovingian king of Austrasia.
It is also possible that Ingerman and Cancor were brothers of Robert of Hesbaye. Landrada, mother of Saint Chrodegang, archbishop of Metz, is likely to have been his sister. Ermengarde, wife of emperor Louis the Pious was most likely his niece.

In: Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_of_Hesbaye : accessed 04 Mar 2013)

Note

Note: ref: Wikipedia (http://www. wikipedia.org) (14 May 10) -
Robert of Hesbaye
Robert II, Rodbert or Chrodobert (770 - 807) was a Frank, count of Worms and Rheingau and duke of Hesbaye around the year 800. His family is known as Robertians. His son is Robert of Worms and his grandson is Robert the Strong, the namegiver of the Robertians. Robert of Hesbaye is the oldest known ancestor in the line of Robertians that is thought to be certain. He is the great-grandfather of two Frankish kings, Odo and Robert, who ruled in the kingdom of Western Francia. One of his descendants is Hugh Capet, who was the "last Frankish king" and the "first king of France". The descendants of Hugh Capet ruled France until the French Revolution, with a junior line having ruled Spain since 1700.
Ingerman and Cancor are possibly his brothers. Landrada, mother of Saint Chrodegang, archbishop of Metz, is likely his sister. His father may have been named Rodbert or, Chrodobert. He was likely the son of Thuringbert of Worms and Rheingau and grandson of Robert I of Worms and Rheingau, who died in 764.
Ermengarde, wife of emperor Louis the Pious was most likely his niece.

Notes

Note N4317From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia:
Robert II, Rodbert or Chrodobert (770 - 807) was a Frank, count of Worms and Rheingau and duke of Hesbaye around the year 800. His family is known as Robertians. His son is Robert of Worms and his grandson is Robert the Strong, the namegiver of the Robertians. Robert of Hesbaye is the oldest known ancestor in the line of Robertians that is thought to be certain.
His father was likely the son of Thuringbert of Worms and Rheingau and grandson of Robert I, Duke of Neustria (c.697-764) whose paternal ancestors ascended in line;
1.Lambert II, Count of Haspengau (c.682-741)
2.Chrodobertus II, Count of Haspengau (fl. 650)
3.Lambert I de Haspengau (c.620-650)
4.Chrodobertus I de Haspengau (c.600-630)
5.Charibert de Haspengau (c.575-636)
Some online sources say Charibert de Haspengau was a son of Chlothar II, king of the Franks, but this link may not be reliable.
Robert II is the great-grandfather of two Frankish kings, Odo and Robert, who ruled in the kingdom of Western Francia. One of his descendants is Hugh Capet, who was the "last Frankish king" and the "first king of France". The descendants of Hugh Capet ruled France until the French Revolution, with a junior line having ruled Spain since 1700.
Ingerman and Cancor are possibly his brothers. Landrada, mother of Saint Chrodegang, archbishop of Metz, is likely his sister. He was likely the son of Thuringbert of Worms and Rheingau and grandson of Robert I of Worms and Rheingau, who died in 764.
Ermengarde, wife of emperor Louis the Pious was most likely his niece.


1.Lambert II, Count of Haspengau (c. 682–741) 2.Chrodobertus II, Count of Haspengau (fl. 650) 3.Lambert I de Haspengau (c. 620–650) 4.Chrodobertus I de Haspengau (c. 600–630) 5.Charibert de Haspengau (c. 575–636) Robert II is the great-grandfather of two Frankish kings, Odo and Robert, who ruled in the kingdom of Western Francia. One of his descendants is Hugh Capet, who was the "last Frankish king" and the "first king of France". The descendants of Hugh Capet ruled France until 1848 (except between the French Revolution in 1793 and the Fall of the First French Empire in 1815), with a junior line having ruled Spain since 1700.

Ingerman and Cancor were possibly his brothers. Landrada, mother of Saint Chrodegang, archbishop of Metz, is likely his sister. Ermengarde, wife of emperor Louis the Pious was most likely his niece.

[1] Duke of Hesbaye, Count of Worms and Rheingau; ◦Robert of Hesbaye is the oldest known ancestor in the line of Robertians that is thought to be certain. Ingerman and Cancor are possibly his brothers. Landrada, mother of St. Chrodogang, archbishop of Metz, is likely his sister. His father may have been named Rodbert or, Chrodobert. He was likely the son of Thuringbert of Worms and Rheingau and grandson of Robert I of Worms and Rheingau, who died in 764. Ermengarde, wife of emperor Louis the Pious was most likely his niece. Wikipedia

To meet these conditions Thuringbert must have married his widowed step mother between 764 and 770

[2] Robert II, Rodbert or Chrodobert (770–807) was a Frank, count of Worms and Rheingau and duke of Hesbaye around the year 800. His family is known as Robertians. His son was Robert III of Worms and his grandson was Robert the Strong. Robert of Hesbaye is the oldest known ancestor in the line of Robertians. His mother was possibly Princess Chrotlind, daughter of Theuderic III, Merovingian king of Austrasia.

Alias

Alias: Robertien Herzog
Alias: Rutpert von Wormsgau

Name

Name: /Rutpert/ II[1][2]
Name: Rutpert /Von Wormsgau/[3]
Name: Rutpert Robert /WORMSGAU/[4]
Name: Robert /of HESBAYE/
Source: #S1008
Name: Robert of /Hesbaye/
Name: Robert /Hesbaye/[5]
Name: Robert II of /Hesbaye/[6]
Name: Robert II of Worms
Name: Robert of Hesbaye //
Given Name: Robert of Hesbaye

Birth

Date: BEF 770
Place: Wormgau, Saxony, Germany[7][8][9]
Place: Worms, Worms, Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany
Place: Wormsgau, France[10]
Date: JUN 770
Place: Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany[11]
Date: 770
Date: 770
Place: Rhineland-Palatinate, Worms, Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany[12]
Date: 770
Place: Rhineland-Palatinate, Worms, Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany[13]
Occupation: Count of Worms and Rheingau; Duke of Hesbaye


Ancestor of Edward III of England.
Wikipedia: He was likely the son of Thuringbert of Worms and Rheingau and grandson of Robert I of Worms and Rheingau, who died in 764.

Death

Date: 12 JUL 807
Place: Wormsgau, Germany[14][15][16]
Place: Worms, Worms, Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany[17]
Date: 12 JUL 807
Place: Germany[18]
Date: 807
Date: 807
Place: Rhineland-Palatinate, Worms, Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany[19]
Date: 807
Place: Rhineland-Palatinate, Worms, Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany[20]


Marriage

Place: Wormsgau, , Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany[21]
Place: France[22]

Note

Note: rupert II dewormsgau
http://trees.ancestry.com/rd?f=image&guid=4537da90-281c-458a-8fb7-df2e52dba6d6&tid=27418815&pid=3984
Note: wormsgau best coa
http://trees.ancestry.com/rd?f=image&guid=6ef7157d-8f6c-4343-840b-091e17e8bb34&tid=27418815&pid=3984

Sources

  • The Navarres [4]
  1. Source: #S6 Page: Database online. Data: Text: Record for RUPERT III WORMSGAU ROBERTIEN
  2. Source: #S6 Page: Database online. Data: Text: Record for Rutpert II "Robertien" Herzog Von Wormsgau
  3. Source: #S6 Page: Database online. Data: Text: Record for Witithin De Marvois
  4. Source: #S1 Page: Database online. Data: Text: Record for Rutpert Robert WORMSGAU
  5. Source: #S252 Page: Database online. Data: Text: Record for Robert Hesbaye
  6. Source: #S252 Page: Database online. Data: Text: Record for Robert II of Hesbaye
  7. Source: #S6 Page: Database online. Data: Text: Record for RUPERT III WORMSGAU ROBERTIEN
  8. Source: #S6 Page: Database online. Data: Text: Record for Rutpert II "Robertien" Herzog Von Wormsgau
  9. Source: #S6 Page: Database online. Data: Text: Record for Witithin De Marvois
  10. Source: #S1 Page: Database online. Data: Text: Record for Rutpert Robert WORMSGAU
  11. Source: #S252 Page: Database online. Data: Text: Record for Robert Hesbaye
  12. Source: #S252 Page: Database online. Data: Text: Record for Robert II of Hesbaye
  13. Source: #S252 Page: Database online. Data: Text: Record for Robert II of Hesbaye
  14. Source: #S6 Page: Database online. Data: Text: Record for RUPERT III WORMSGAU ROBERTIEN
  15. Source: #S6 Page: Database online. Data: Text: Record for Rutpert II "Robertien" Herzog Von Wormsgau
  16. Source: #S6 Page: Database online. Data: Text: Record for Witithin De Marvois
  17. Source: #S1 Page: Database online. Data: Text: Record for Rutpert Robert WORMSGAU
  18. Source: #S252 Page: Database online. Data: Text: Record for Robert Hesbaye
  19. Source: #S252 Page: Database online. Data: Text: Record for Robert II of Hesbaye
  20. Source: #S252 Page: Database online. Data: Text: Record for Robert II of Hesbaye
  21. Source: #S252 Page: Database online. Data: Text: Record for Robert II of Hesbaye
  22. Source: #S252 Page: Database online. Data: Text: Record for Robert Hesbaye

Acknowledgements

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  1. Source: #S6 Page: Database online. Data: Text: Record for RUPERT III WORMSGAU ROBERTIEN
  2. Source: #S6 Page: Database online. Data: Text: Record for Rutpert II "Robertien" Herzog Von Wormsgau
  3. Source: #S6 Page: Database online. Data: Text: Record for Witithin De Marvois
  4. Source: #S1 Page: Database online. Data: Text: Record for Rutpert Robert WORMSGAU
  5. Source: #S252 Page: Database online. Data: Text: Record for Robert Hesbaye
  6. Source: #S252 Page: Database online. Data: Text: Record for Robert II of Hesbaye
  7. Source: #S6 Page: Database online. Data: Text: Record for RUPERT III WORMSGAU ROBERTIEN
  8. Source: #S6 Page: Database online. Data: Text: Record for Rutpert II "Robertien" Herzog Von Wormsgau
  9. Source: #S6 Page: Database online. Data: Text: Record for Witithin De Marvois
  10. Source: #S1 Page: Database online. Data: Text: Record for Rutpert Robert WORMSGAU
  11. Source: #S252 Page: Database online. Data: Text: Record for Robert Hesbaye
  12. Source: #S252 Page: Database online. Data: Text: Record for Robert II of Hesbaye
  13. Source: #S252 Page: Database online. Data: Text: Record for Robert II of Hesbaye
  14. Source: #S6 Page: Database online. Data: Text: Record for RUPERT III WORMSGAU ROBERTIEN
  15. Source: #S6 Page: Database online. Data: Text: Record for Rutpert II "Robertien" Herzog Von Wormsgau
  16. Source: #S6 Page: Database online. Data: Text: Record for Witithin De Marvois
  17. Source: #S1 Page: Database online. Data: Text: Record for Rutpert Robert WORMSGAU
  18. Source: #S252 Page: Database online. Data: Text: Record for Robert Hesbaye
  19. Source: #S252 Page: Database online. Data: Text: Record for Robert II of Hesbaye
  20. Source: #S252 Page: Database online. Data: Text: Record for Robert II of Hesbaye
  21. Source: #S252 Page: Database online. Data: Text: Record for Robert II of Hesbaye
  22. Source: #S252 Page: Database online. Data: Text: Record for Robert Hesbaye










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On August 4, 2013 at 11:36GMT Roger Travis wrote:

Thuringbert and an unknown wife are attested as his parents here http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FRANCONIA.htm#Robertdiedbefore764B

Since we've taken the decision to carry the French Robertian line back to Wormsgau (or, perhaps more accurately, we haven't decided to resist that fairly dubious filiation), this parentage is probably uncontroversial, except for the perpetual problem of giving a name to a mother whose actual name is unattested.


On August 4, 2013 at 04:44GMT Vic Watt wrote:

Are Turincbertus Robertian and Chrotlind Uknown being accepted as parents, or should they be disconnected?


On February 20, 2012 at 15:09GMT Roger Travis wrote:

This is a final profile, as determined by the European Aristocracy user-group. Any merges will go INTO this profile. See http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Historically-significant_ancestors for details.




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