Born about in Hainaut
Son of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
Husband of
Unknown (Unknown) de Roet
— married
[date unknown] [location unknown]
Descendants 
Father of
Philippa (Roet) Chaucer and Katherine (Roet) Swynford
Died about
at about age 60
in Guienne, France
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Biography
Sir Payn was a herald from Hainaut, which is now divided between France and Belgium, and is still the name of a province in Belgium. In England he was allied with the Lancastrian party of John of Gaunt, whose mother was a member of the ruling family of Hainaut. John, father of King Henry IV and son of King Edward III, was one of the most powerful men in England.
He served Queen Phillipa.[1]
He was the father of Katherine Swynford, mistress and third wife of John of Gaunt himself.[1] Another daughter married Thomas Chaucer, son of the famous poet Geoffrey. The Chaucers were also part of the Lancastrian party of John of Gaunt.
The name of Paon's wife is not known. Alison Weir speculates that he may have been married more than once.
According to Wikipedia, Sir Payn Roët died in 1380 at Ghent, Flanders, back in what is now Belgium.
Issue
- 4 known children[1]
Titles
- Guienne King of Arms.[2]
Residence
- Dec 1327: Arrived in England in Phillipa of Hainault's train[1]
Links
Sources
- ↑ 1.0 1.1 1.2 1.3 Weir, Alison (2008). Katherine Swynford: The Story of John of Gaunt and his Scandalous Duchess. London: Vintage Books. E-book
- ↑ Grant R. Phillips, Jr..ged (2011, April 8).
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1) He was (probably) baptised Gilles, not Giles, though one-el is the older form of the name so who knows. Does anyone have a definitive source?
2) He was called Paon, alternately Payn, in latin Paganus. How should we model that... is it a nickname? (Or is it like "Pippin" in the Karling family, where multiple men take the same family firstname over time?)
3) His family surname has an accent: Roët
4) The Brits call him "Sir Payne Roet of Guienne" on the fire plaque at St. Paul's, visible on his Wikipedia page. This seems wrong in like four specific ways: Payne ought to be Paon; Roet ought to be Roët; and there ought to be a "de" in there; and Guienne is Guyenne, from Aquitaine via (the Oc?) Aguyenne. Assuming we don't force-fit everything here on Wikitree to English styles.
5) Hainaut has no "L" in its native languages; the English-only spelling Hainault should probably be avoided here on Wikitree, where in general I applaud profile owners for trying to work in the original languages.
6) In the main body of this profile it incorrectly states he arrived with "Phillip" of Hainaut; this should be fixed, as it is strictly wrong.
7) It also incorrectly calls him a Gascon, which he's not. As I understand the history, he "sold" Guyenne for the title (i.e. job) of Garter King of Arms. Guyenne corresponds roughly to the French duchy of Aquitaine, less Gascony, but calling him a Gascon is just wrong, and he and his father-in-law John of Gaunt were reviled as outsiders there (where they kind of camped out during the proto civil war in England, after getting their asses kicked in Spain).