Katherine (Roet) Swynford is a member of the House of Lancaster.
Around 1352, Katherine de Roet went to work in Queen Phillipa of Hainaut's house. Philippa was married to English King Edward III.[1]Like the Queen, she was from Hainaut, which is now divided between Belgium and France.[1] She later became the governess of the children of Blanche and John of Gaunt.[1]
C.L Kingsford was the first to propose that Katherine was born in 1350, but there is no documented evidence.[1] She could have been born prior to this date.[1]
possible) Margaret Swynford (b. abt 1369). Nun: Barking Abbey
2nd Husband: John of Gaunt; married in 1396 after 20 years of her being his mistress.[1]
Issue (called "de Beaufort;" all were legitimized by King Richard II in 1397):[6]
John de Beaufort, 1st Earl of Somerset (1373–1410)
Henry de Beaufort, Bishop of Lincoln, Winchester, then a Roman Catholic Cardinal (1375–1447)
Thomas de Beaufort, Duke of Exeter (1377–1427)
Joan de Beaufort (1379–1440)
Death and burial of Katherine Swynford
(Royal Tombs of Medieval England) She was the third wife of John of Gaunt, Duke of Lancaster. Their eldest son Henry (b. 1375), was made bishop of Lincoln Cathedral - known in full as The Cathedral Church of the Blessed Virgin Mary of Lincoln or sometimes St. Mary's Cathedral - in 1398 and in the same year, his father John of Gaunt founded a chantry for Katherine and himself at Lincoln. Following the duke's death in 1399, Katherine retired to Lincoln where she died on 10 May 1403. She was buried to the south of the high altar in the Angel Choir, a position of seniority most likely secured by the involvement of her son, Bishop Henry Beaufort. The church must have had particular appeal for the duchess as it owned two relics of her name-saint: Saint Katherine's finger and the chain with which she bound the devil, as well as two giant candelabras presented by the duke. The tombs of Katherine and her daughter Joan Beaufort stand today south of the high altar with Katherine's to the west and Joan's tomb to the east.
Sources
↑ 1.01.11.21.31.41.51.61.7 Weir, Alison (2008). Katherine Swynford: The Story of John of Gaunt and his Scandalous Duchess. London: Vintage Books. E-book
↑ Roberts, Gary Boyd (2008). The Royal Descents of 600 Immigrants to the American Colonies or the United States. Baltimore, MD: Genealogical Publishing Co.
Roderick W. Stuart, Roderick W. (2002). Royalty for Commoners: The Complete Known Lineage of John of Gaunt, Son of Edward III, King of England, and Queen Phillipa, 4th ed. Baltimore, Maryland: Genealogical Publishing Co.
Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 5 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham (Salt Lake City, Utah: the author, 2013),
Vol. I, p. 88
Vol. III, p. 492-500
Vol. IV p. 503 Footnote 22: Edward Grimston, Esq., married (2nd) 26 Sept. 1459 Mary Drury, daughter of William Drury, Knt., by Katherine, daughter of Thomas Swynford, Knt. Mary Drury's great grandmother was Katherine de Roet, wife successively of Hugh de Swynford, Knt., and John of Gaunt, Duke of Aquitaine and Lancaster.
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In Alison Weir's book, on page 9 along with sources in the back, she states "It is sometimes erroneously stated that Katherine Swynford was born in Picardy, France; this error has arisen from some historians confusing Phillipa de Roet with a waiting woman of the Queen called Philippa Picard, but they were in fact two different people, so there was no Roet connection with Picardy. Froissart refers to Katherine as a a Hainaulter, and in England she was regarded, by virtue of her birth and descent, as a stranger or alien, the chronicler Henry Knighton calling her a "certain foreign woman". We may therefore conclude that she was born in Hainault, probably on her father's lands near Mons. This being the case, the earliest possible date for her birth is 1349."
The reference in the back of the book elaborates, "In a royal writ of deliverance of cloth and furs for Queen Philippa's ladies, dated 10 Mar 1369, both Philippa Chaucer (who was almost certainly Paon's married daughter) and Philippa Picard are listed; the former was then a damoiselle (lady in waiting) of the Queen, the latter a veilleresse (night watcher) of the Queen's Chamber. Philippa Picard may have been the daughter of Henry Picard, a rich London vintner, who was Mayor of London in 1356 and a fellow guildsman of Chaucer's father."
Shouldn't her birthplace be changed on this profile?
When I was at school, studying the prologue to the Canterbury tales, our teacher recommended Anya Seton's historical novel "Katherine" (now long out of print) as a good depiction of Katherine's world and times. As her bio notes, she was the sister-in-law of Chaucer. Canon law said that her marriage to John legitimated their children, but the English propertied class specifically had it enacted (Statute of Merton ??) that English law was different. Other marriages prevented them from marrying sooner than 20 years. My memory of the details is now rather vague.
The biography notes that she started working in Queen Phillipa's house in 1352, which would make her two years old per the birth estimate. Is this correct?
It also lists a different birth location. Possibly from a merge at some point?
Thanks Minday, I have a copy of the source somewhere, so I'll dig it out and check whether Alison Weir cites any primary sources for Katherine Roet, working in the Queen's household from 1352.
That whole page is copyright of Kettlethorpe Church, which I think would include the image. It's not even clear to me, whether the image is taken from a document or other artifact of the period, or is a modern interpretation, and the webpage doesn't state where it is from.
I would strongly suggest that it not be used on this profile.
Nowadays, anything created more than 50 years ago (70 years in England) is out of copyright. So the original image is now in the public domain. I don't know how that applies to the Web page as a separate creation. Telstra claimed copyright in the Yellow Pages, but the Judge ruled that only the layout was protected and not the data, which would have been Crown copyright.
Thanks Lois, I'd like to know what primary sources are used to propose that she is Katherine Swynford's daughter. I do have a copy of Alison Weir's book somewhere and I'll try to track it down and look at it again, to see what sources she uses.
The reference in the back of the book elaborates, "In a royal writ of deliverance of cloth and furs for Queen Philippa's ladies, dated 10 Mar 1369, both Philippa Chaucer (who was almost certainly Paon's married daughter) and Philippa Picard are listed; the former was then a damoiselle (lady in waiting) of the Queen, the latter a veilleresse (night watcher) of the Queen's Chamber. Philippa Picard may have been the daughter of Henry Picard, a rich London vintner, who was Mayor of London in 1356 and a fellow guildsman of Chaucer's father."
Shouldn't her birthplace be changed on this profile?
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It also lists a different birth location. Possibly from a merge at some point?
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Here is a portrait of her that can be used for this profile.
I would strongly suggest that it not be used on this profile.
The fact that John of Gaunt was behind both girls being enrolled at the same time.
INTERFAMILY RELATIONSHIPS AND DESCENT – PART 1". Foundations (2003) 1 (2): 122-131. Perry