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Alice (Rumilly) FitzGerold (abt. 1116 - 1187)

Alice "Lady Skipton" FitzGerold formerly Rumilly aka FitzDuncan, de Rumilly
Born about in Yorkshire, Englandmap
Ancestors ancestors
Wife of — married 1138 in Yorkshire, Englandmap
Wife of — married before 1156 [location unknown]
Descendants descendants
Died at about age 71 in Athol, Perth, Scotlandmap
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[citation needed] for Ranulf and the FitzGerald kids.

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Biography

Alice de Rumilly was born the daughter of William le Meschin, Lord of Copeland, son of Rannulf, Vicomte of the Bessin, and Cicely de Rumilly, Lady of Skipton.[1][2] "Alice used the patronymic de Rumilly of her mother Cecily from whom she inherited Skipton". [3]

She married 1st William FitzDuncan.[1][2]

Children of Alice de Rumily and William FitzDuncan

She married 2nd, Alexander FitzGerold [1]

Wife of :-

  • Alexander FitzGerald,
  • Robert Curcy,
  • Uilleam mac Donnchada
  • William Pagenell

Mother of: -

  • Henry (1140-1175) FitzGerald,
  • Donald MacWilliam;
  • Amice FitzGerold
  • William FitzGerold[5]

She was married a second time to Alexander FitzGerald and had a son Henry FitzGerald.

Sources

  1. 1.0 1.1 1.2 1.3 1.4 1.5 1.6 Cokayne, George Edward ed. Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, Vol. I: Ab Adam - Basing, 2nd edition. (London,1910), citing, ”William le Meschin, Lord of Copeland, yr. s. of Rannulf, Vicomte of the Bessin, m. Cicely de Rumilly, Lady of Skipton, and had 2 daughters and coheirs, (i) Alice, Lady of Skipton, "who m. istly, William fitz Duncan, s. of Duncan, Earl of Moray (s. of Duncan, King of Scots), by Octreda, da. and h. of Alan, Lord of Allerdale. They had one s., William, " the Boy of Egremont, " who d. in the King's ward after 1 1 55, leaving his 3 sisters his coheirs : (i) Cicely, as in the text : (ii) Amabel, Lady of Copeland (called, in the Pipe Rolls and elsewhere, Comitissa de Couplanda), who m. Reynold de Lucy : (iii) Alice de Rumilly, Lady of Allerdale, who m., istly, Gilbert Pipard, and 2ndly, Robert de Courtenay, and d. s.p. (2) Avice, Lady of Harewood, who m., istly, William Paynell, of Drax, co. York, and 2ndly, Robert de Courcy, of Stoke, Somerset. Alice, Lady of Skipton, m., andly, Alexander fitz Ceroid.”P. 353.
  2. 2.0 2.1 2.2 2.3 2.4 2.5 Douglas Richardson. Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 5 vols, ed. Kimball G. Everingham (Salt Lake City: the author, 2013), volume III, page 214 HARINGTON 3.
  3. Sanders, English Baronies, p.115
  4. Duncan, A. A. M. Duncan II Oxford Dictionary of National Biography. United Kingdom: Oxford University Press (2004), citing, “William had two sons, a Gospatric who is once mentioned and may have been a child of an earlier marriage, and William, 'the boy of Egremont', who succeeded to his father's English lands and died childless in or soon after 1163, so that the inheritance passed to his three sisters. William fitz Duncan made no known claim to the throne of Scotland, nor did his lawful heirs in 1291.” ODNB.
  5. Entered by Jean Maunder.

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Source: Douglas Richardson. Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 5 vols, ed. Kimball G. Everingham (Salt Lake City: the author, 2013), volume III, page 214 HARINGTON 3.

William FitzDuncan, married about 1138 Alice De Rumilly, daughter of William Meschin, by Cecily, daughter of Robert de Rumilly. They had one son, William, and three daughters, Cecily (wife of William le Gros, Amabel, Alice [de Rumilly] (wife of Gilbert Pipard and Robert de Courtenay). By an unknown first wife or mistress, he also had two sons, Gospatric and Donald Bane. Alice married (2nd) before Michaelmas 1156 Alexander FitzGerold.

Thank you!

MedLands shows that she was m. to Alexander FitzGerold, but no children from that marriage.

The son shown, Henry FitzGerold, who m. Matilda Chesney, was actually Alexander's brother,

I will leave a note on Henry's page also, as we need to detach him from Alexander and merge into the correct LNAB of GEROLD.

Medieval Lands - FITZGEROLD

As R.J. mentions below, there are still some corrections needed with the other children. I'll leave you to sort out the others, here is the link to William:

Medieval Lands - WILLIAM FitzDuncan


Dan

Update

According to the Bolton Priory source shown herein, Ranulf was a brother to Alice, but based on the wording, he apparently died young: "Ranulf inheriting the patronage of St Bees, for the few years of his adult life" .... since no brother Ranulf is shown and the one shown as her son doesn't fit, it seems he may have been placed a generation off?

Are Rumilly-11 and De Rumilly-20 the same person? They have the same death date and location.
posted by Robert Wood
Are Rumilly-11 and De Rumilly-20 the same person? They have the same death date and location.
posted by Robert Wood
There's seems to be a conflict of info. Alice de Rumilly, if born 1115 vis-a-via her son Ranulf born 1120. Maybe there is a mix-up with another Alice de Rumilly. See http://www.geni.com/people/Alice-de-Rumilly/6000000002043214812
posted by Nick Brown