Richard Saunders
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Richard Saunders (abt. 1564 - 1601)

Richard Saunders
Born about in Buckinghamshire, Englandmap [uncertain]
Son of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]
Husband of — married [date unknown] [location unknown]
Husband of — married 8 May 1587 in Clerkenwell, London, Englandmap
Descendants descendants
Died at about age 37 in Dinton, Buckinghamshire, Englandmap
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Research Note

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  • Richard Saunders:
  • BIRTH: Dec 1564 Dinton, Aylesbury Vale District, Buckinghamshire, England
  • DEATH: Oct 1601 (aged 36) Dinton, Aylesbury Vale District, Buckinghamshire, England
  • BURIAL: Saint Peter and Saint Paul Churchyard, Dinton, Aylesbury Vale District, Buckinghamshire, England
  • MEMORIAL ID: 167163924

Richard Saunders was baptized on 29 December 1564 in Dinton, Buckinghamshire, England, a son of John Saunders and Elizabeth Puttenham.

He married Elizabeth Blount on 8 May 1587 at the Church of Saint James in Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England.

Richard Saunders and Elizabeth Blount were the parents of the following children.

1. John Saunders (m. Anne Hawtrey). 2. Thomas Saunders (m. Alice Watkins). 3. Francis Saunders (m. Susan Lovett). 4. Richard Saunders (m. Elizabeth ______). 5. Mary Saunders (m. Richard Duncombe). 6. Sarah Saunders (m. Anthony Barker). 7. Anne Saunders (m. Robert Lovett).

He was buried on 24 October 1601.

His widow married Christopher Hoddesdon on 2 February 1602/03 in Dinton, Buckinghamshire, England.

Biography

Richard Saunders was born about 1560 at the Manor of Amersham, Buckinghamshire. Parents were John Saunders and Elizabeth Puttenham.

He married Anne Isham [1] [1] daughter of John of Lamport, Northamptonshire. Many genealogy sources claim that they had a daughter Susan who was buried in Amersham in March 1585 but the 1634 Visitation referenced here says Susan was buried 27 Apr 1584 "S.P." (Sine Prole, without offspring) so if this Richard did have a daughter Susan, perhaps she was the daughter of his second wife Elizabeth Blount. More research is needed.

He second married Elizabeth Blount (b. 1572) of Blountshall, Leicestershire, England and they had these children found to-date:

  1. John baptized 21 Feb 1591/92 (1586- 21 Jun 1623).
  2. Francis (b.abt 1592) m. Susan Lovett - not verified that this Francis was son of this Richard but was a member of this armigerous family; see linked profile.
  3. Sir Thomas baptized 7 Aug 1593 as "Thomas Saunders son of Mr. Richard"[2](d. 1694)
  4. Elizabeth baptized 30 May 1596, listed 1 line above the baptism for Tobias Saunders son of Richard the miller & Johanna Osborne.[3] An Elizabeth Saunders was buried 1596 which could have been this one dying in infancy or the Elizabeth born 1590 to the above Richard and Johanna, aunt of the 1617 Elizabeth.
  5. Anne (1578 - 1689) m. Sir Robert Lovett of Liscombe, Sheriff of Bucks. in 1608 and had 4 children with him. Likely they married in Dinton or Soulbury as their children's baptisms appear in those registers although the marriage does not appear in Phillimore's transcriptions.[4] Dates of 1578-1689 were given for Ann but cannot be correct given her mother's 1572 birthdate. Anne's marriage to Sir Robert Lovett is further proved by her brother John's will of 1623 which details this marriage and lists Robert Lovett as executor (see profile of John).

The Manor of Amersham was sold in 1624 to William Tothill and the particulars of sale show that at that time it was tenanted by Francis Saunders and Sir Thomas Saunders (knighted at Newmarket in reign of James I). These were two of the sons of Richard and Elizabeth and the last Saunders to occupy. (See "Borrow" reference)

This Richard died 22 Oct 1601 and was (likely) buried 24 Oct 1601 in Dinton, Buckinghamshire[5].

Richard died in October 1601 and was buried in Saint Peter and Saint Paul Churchyard, Dinton, Aylesbury Vale District, Buckinghamshire, England.[6]

Supporting evidence for the 1601 death, partly based on there being only one known John Saunders was born to a Richard Saunders in Amersham at this time and research kindly done by Helen Ford of G2G provided this additional detail associating John with this Richard and helping solidify Richard's death date of 1601:


These are the entries from the National Archives Catalogue that suggested to me that Saunders-39 was the man who died in 1601 not 1629

1) Reference: E 179/79/246 Description: County: Buckinghamshire Document description: Constat, 1 mem.

This constat states that John Saunders, son and heir of the late Richard Saunders, esq, of Buckinghamshire (d. 22 October 1601), is a ward of King James, in respect of the unidentified land held by his father from Elizabeth by knight service on the day of his death. Estimated date of document: [1601 or later]

2) Reference: C 2/JasI/H35/74 Description: Short title: Hoddesden v Pope. Plaintiffs: Sir Christopher Hoddesden and Elizabeth Hoddesden his wife. Defendants: Sir Thomas Pope Blunt. Subject: lands in Pitchcott, Buckinghamshire, settled on plaintiff Elizabeth Hoddesden by Richard Saunders her former husband, and rectory of Donnington [Dinton], Buckinghamshire, in lieu of lands in Ruislip, Middlesex.

Lastly ,the old Dictionary of National Biography states that Sir Christopher Hoddeston who died in 1611 took as his second wife

"Elizabeth, daughter of William Blount of Olbaston, Leicestershire, whom he made his sole executrix, and by whom he had no issue.

Additionally this family appears in the 1634 Visitation of Buckingham showing Richard "of Denton" married first to Anne Isham, then Elizabeth Blount with son John who then married Anne Hawtrey, daughter of William.[1]

The nuncupative will of Richard Saunders of Dinton, Buckinghamshire was proven 28 Nov 1601 by his wife Elizabeth; it basically leaves everything to be divided between his wife Elizabeth and his un-named children.[7]

Elizabeth was the daughter of Walter Blount of Blounts Hall, Osbaston, Leicestershire. After Richard's death she married Sir Christopher Hoddesdon; as Hoddesdon's wife she appears in several legal proceedings helping to differentiate this Richard from the miller who died in 1629.


Research Notes

Extensive G2G discussions and research during Jan/Feb 2020 have determined that this armigerous Richard has been conflated with another Richard Saunders of Amersham, both of whom had children at about the same time. That G2G discussion is here.

Goodman Genealogy Fabrication

This profile carries the category of the Goodman Genealogy Fabrication because it has had been linked to another profile of that lineage or because this profile has contributions from a known author of the Goodman fabrication. This category placement does not mean that this profile is bogus but serves as a reference and as such it should not be removed.

Disconnected Father

This person cannot be the son of Lawrence Saunders, because Lawrence only had one son, Samuel, and moreover died in 1655. See wikipedia:Laurence_Saunders

Acknowledgements

Thanks are due to Helen Ford, Isabelle Martin and Matthew Fletcher for research, thread-connecting and cleanup of profiles affected by the Goodman genealogy problem.

Sources

  1. 1.0 1.1 1.2 The visitation of the county of Buckingham made in 1634 https://archive.org/details/visitationofcoun5859byuphil/page/110/mode/2up/search/Saunders
  2. FHL film 1966848 Parish registers for Amersham, 1561-1912 image 36,37 of 485 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJN-B9PY?i=36&cat=759105 Attached Image
  3. FHL film 1966848 Parish registers for Amersham, 1561-1912 image 39 of 485 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJN-B9PY?i=38&cat=759105 Attached Image
  4. A genealogical and heraldic history of the extinct and dormant baronetcies of England, by J. and J.B. Burke https://books.google.com/books?id=K1kBAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA324&lpg=PA324#v=onepage&q&f=false
  5. FHL microfilm 1042379 Items 1 - 11: Parish registers for Dinton, 1560-1881 Richard Saunders 24 Oct 1601 burial Attached Image
  6. Burial: "UK and Ireland, Find a Grave® Index, 1300s-Current"
    Original data: Find a Grave. Find a Grave®. http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi; URL: Find A Grave: Memorial #167163924
    Ancestry Record 60526 #3904355 (accessed 18 January 2024)
    Richard Saunders burial (died in Oct 1601) in Saint Peter and Saint Paul Churchyard, Dinton, Aylesbury Vale District, Buckinghamshire, England. Born in Dec 1564.
  7. England & Wales, Prerogative Court of Canterbury Wills, 1384-1858 for Richard Saunders PROB 11: Will Registers 1599-1623 Piece 098: Woodhall, Quire Numbers 39-89 (1601) https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/5111/40611_311366-00650 Attached Image
  • BORROWS, Peter.The Amersham Museum The Saunders Family of Tudor Amersham - specifically this Richard.
  1. In his will of 1524 Richard (grandfather) was described as a dyer and he left his lands in the Borough and Parish of Agmondesham to his wife Alice but amongst other beneficiaries were his son Thomas (father), his brother Thomas and his nephew William.
b. 29 Apr 1558, Lamport, Daventry District, Northamptonshire, England
d. 27 Sep 1584, Amersham, Chiltern District, Buckinghamshire, England
St Mary the Virgin Churchyard, Amersham, Chiltern District, Buckinghamshire, England
Anne Isham was a daughter of John Isham and Elizabeth Barker. First wife of Richard Saunders, gentleman of Amersham, Buckinghamshire, England. She was buried on 1 October 1584.
  • MONTGOMERY, Ray. [1] Elizabeth Blount proposed genealogy and comments.




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In support if the G2G discussion around the Richard(s) and Tobias(s) of Amersham, this "might" be a Dinton burial record for the armigerous Richard per research kindly done by Helen Ford showing a burial 24 Oct 1601 matching information found by Helen that places him in Dinton at his death and passing away on 22 Oct 1601. Discussion is here https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/979449/please-review-saunders-richard-respect-goodman-genealogy
posted by Brad Stauf
I ran across an original and transcribed will of a Richard Saunders supposed of Amersham and am linking them. I'm not great at reading Olde English script but it definitely mentions a son Tobias. I'm not making any claims that this is legitimate or is the same Richard Saunders but thought it was worth linking. I adopted the profile of Tobias Saunders father of the immigrant to Rhode Island and will be researching this family.
posted by Brad Stauf
edited by Brad Stauf
Please see my proposed new bio. I haven't deleted any existing information - though I have credible sources that much of it is wrong.
posted by Susan Fitzmaurice
Rev. Lawrence Saunders page said he had one son, Samuel. One of these must be wrong?
posted by Tracy Lawrence
His father was martyred 9 Feb 1555.
posted by C. Mackinnon

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