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John Savage (abt. 1331 - 1386)

John Savage
Born about in Stainsby, Derbyshire, Englandmap
Ancestors ancestors
[sibling(s) unknown]
Husband of — married about 1375 in Englandmap
Descendants descendants
Died at about age 55 in Cheadle, Cheshire, Englandmap
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Biography

This profile is part of the Savage Name Study.

Birth

John was probably born in Stainsby in the parish of Ault Hucknall, Derbyshire, England, as he was descended from the Savages of Steinesbie. John was aged 38 years (ie born about 1331) in his mother's IPM of 1370.[1][2]

Erroneous Published Pedigree

Armstrong's The Ancient and Noble Family of the Savages, published in 1888,[3] contains numerous errors in its pedigree of the Savages of Cheshire and Derbyshire. It incorrectly records John's parents as Robert Savage and Amicia Walkington. It also incorrectly records the children of John's son, John Savage (d. 1450), as being the children of this John Savage (d. 1386). This error has propagated into numerous online family trees.

Parents

His father, Roger le Savage, was a notorious felon and outlaw, associated with the Coterel gang.[4][5][6] Roger was dead by 1339.[1]

His mother, Isabel, died 10 November 1369. Two inquisition post mortems were held; one at Chesterfield on 11 January 1369/70 and one at Sawley on 23 February 1369/70 (a second writ was presumably issued due to a perceived or actual lack of response to the first). It was determined that she held the manor of Stainsby with her husband, Roger le Savage, who had died 30 years previously (ie about 1339). The heir of Roger and Isabel was their son, John, aged 38 years.[1]

Isabel held the manor of Stainsby jointly with husband Roger in fee tail, by service of a sore sparrowhawk annually.[1]

Succession to Manor of Stainsby

In 44 Edward III (1370 or 1371), John paid his feudal relief in the Court of Exchequer, which entitled him to succeed his mother to the lordship of the manor of Stainsby.[7]

Marriage

In about 49 Edward III [1375], John Savage married Margaret Daniers.[8] Margaret was the only child and heir of Isabel, the daughter and heir of William Baggily and his wife Clemence Dutton of Chedill, Cheshire.[8] Her father was Sir Thomas Daniers, commonly called Daniel, of Bradley in Appleton.[8] Margaret inherited all her mother Isabel's estate including Clifton and other lands in Chedle and Hulme, and her husband became John Savage of Clifton in right of his wife.[8] Margaret had previously been married to John Ratcliffe in 42 Edward III [1368], with whom she had no children.[8]

After her second husband's death, the twice widowed Margaret married Piers Legh of Maxfield, the younger son of Robert Legh of Adlington in November 12 Richard II [1388], who also predeceased her.[8]

Children

John and Margaret had children:

  1. John Savage, heir, living in 4 Henry IV [1402];[8]
  2. Elizabeth, living in 4 Henry IV [1402];[8]
  3. Blanch, living in 4 Henry IV [1402];[8] and
  4. Lucy Savage,[9] living in the reign of Henry VI[8] [1422-1461; 1470-1471].

Problem Children

These children are unsourced and appear to actually be the children of his son, John (see additional Research Note):

Death

John Savage of Clifton died in Cheadle, Cheshire, England 10 Richard II [1386].[8]

Sources

  1. 1.0 1.1 1.2 1.3 A. E. Stamp, J. B. W. Chapman, M. C. B. Dawes and D. B. Wardle. "Inquisitions Post Mortem, Edward III, File 215," in Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem: Volume 13, Edward III, (London: Her Majesty's Stationery Office, 1954), 1-17. British History Online, accessed January 22, 2021, http://www.british-history.ac.uk/inquis-post-mortem/vol13/pp1-17.
  2. Daniel Lysons and Samuel Lysons. "Parishes: Kirk-Hallam - Hault-Hucknall," in Magna Britannia: Volume 5, Derbyshire, (London: T Cadell and W Davies, 1817), 172-192. British History Online, (http://www.british-history.ac.uk/magna-britannia/vol5/pp172-192 : accessed 29 October, 2022).
  3. G.F.A. [George Francis Armstrong], editor, The Ancient and Noble Family of the Savages of the Ards with Sketches of English and American Branches of the House of Savage (London: Marcus Ward & Co., 1888) pp. 15-17; Internet Archive (https://archive.org : accessed 24 Jan 2021).
  4. E. L. G. Stones, "The Folvilles of Ashby-Folville, Leicestershire, and Their Associates in Crime, 1326-1347," Transactions of the Royal Historical Society Vol. 7 (1957), pp. 117-136; JSTOR (https://www.jstor.org/stable/3678889 : accessed 22 January 2021).
  5. J. G. Bellamy, "The Coterel Gang: An Anatomy of a Band of Fourteenth-Century Criminals," The English Historical Review Vol. 79, No. 313 (Oct., 1964), pp. 698-717; JSTOR (https://www.jstor.org/stable/560525 : accessed 22 January 2021).
  6. S. P. H. Statham, "Later Descendants of Domesday Tenants," Journal of the Derbyshire Archaeological and Natural History Society, New Series vol. 5, no. 52 (1931): 27-56, especially 37-51; image copy, Archaeological Data Service (https://archaeologydataservice.ac.uk/ : accessed 6 February 2021); DOI:https://doi.org/10.5284/1038992.
  7. Rotulorum Originalium in Curia Scaccarii Abbreviatio. Vol. 2. Tempore Regis Edwardi III (Record Commission, 1831) p. 309 col. 2 unnumbered entry 10; Google Books (https://www.google.com/ : accessed 24 January 2021).
  8. 8.00 8.01 8.02 8.03 8.04 8.05 8.06 8.07 8.08 8.09 8.10 8.11 George Ormerod, "Containing the Hundreds of Northwich, Nantwich, and Macclesfield", The History of the County Palatine and City of Chester; Compiled from Original Evidences in Public Offices, the Harleian and Cottonian MSS, Parochial Registers, Private Muniments, Unpublished Ms Collections of Successive Cheshire Antiquaries, and a Personal Survey of Every Township in the County; Incorporated with a Republication of King's Vale Royal, and Leycester's Cheshire Antiquities, 2nd Edition, ed. Thomas Helsby, 3 volumes, (London: George Routledge and Sons, 1882), I:712, e-book, HathiTrust (https://hdl.handle.net/2027/coo.31924088434034?urlappend=%3Bseq=848%3Bownerid=13510798902306474-948 accessed 7 June, 2022).
  9. Tim Thornton,‘Savage family (per. c.1369–1528)’, Oxford Dictionary of National Biography, Oxford University Press, 2004; online edn, May 2007, accessed 17 March 2017]




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I've looked at this a few times and I keep wondering if there is actually any document which proves the connection with Stainsby. Anyone know? It looks a bit like everyone just follows Ormerod's proposal, but he does not seem to have found any smoking gun?
posted by Andrew Lancaster