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François Savoie

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François Savoie aka Savoye
Born in Martaize, Loudun, Vienne, Francemap [uncertain]
Son of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
Husband of — married about in Acadiamap
Died about in Port-Royal, Acadiemap
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Biography

(version française au-dessous)

Francois Savoie is the Ancestral Partriarch of the Acadian Savoie Family.

Francois was born around 1621.[1] Many people say that Francois was the illegitimate son of Tomaso Francesco, but this has not been proven or disproven. It is most likely the wishful thinking of researchers who want to find a royal connection. Regarding Francois' location of birth, Stephen White remains silent.[2] However Massignon[3] speculates that he may have come from Loudin France because the name Savoie is among the many Acadian names that are found in the nearby Seigneury d'Aulnay (comprising of the villages of Angliers, Aulnay, Martaizé and La Chausée). However, Francois' birth record has not been found.

Francois probably came to Acadia in the 1640s[citation needed] as he married in Acadia around 1651.[4][5] His bride was Catherine Lejeune. Between 1652 and 1670, they had 9 children: Françoise, Germain, Marie, Jeanne, Catherine, François, Barnabé, Andreé, and Marie-France.[2]

While Francois and Catherine were raising their family, Port Royal was captured in 1654 by Robert Sedgwick, who led 300 British soldiers and volunteers.[6]:

"The [French] soldiers at Port-Royal, who numbered about 130 … put up a brief defence against Sedgwick. Setting up an ambush between the landing site of the English troops and the fort, the Frenchmen fired on the attackers but proved no match for the experienced Roundheads. The French soon "took their heels to ye Fort." On August 16 the fort surrendered... Sedgwick granted honourable terms, allowing the defenders to march out of the fort with flags flying, drums beating, and muskets at the ready. The soldiers and employees working at the fort were offered transportation back to France and given enough pelts to cover their wages."[7]

Although the commander of Port Royal left for France, most Acadians, including the Savoie family, remained in Acadia. They were permitted to retain their land and belongings and were guaranteed religious freedom.[7] Dunn describes life in Acadia during the 16 years of nominal British rule:

"During the years of British rule, most of the Port-Royal population moved upriver away from the town. Using the agricultural practices initiated under D'Aulnay, the Acadians dyked and cultivated extensive salt marshes along the river and raised livestock. Through necessity, residents had reached an accommodation with New England traders who had become their sole source for the goods that they could not produce themselves... New England traders exchanged their goods for Acadian produce and furs... There were seventy to eighty families in the Port Royal area in 1665."

By 1671 the British had ceded Acadia to France and French settlement resumed.[8] At that time[9], the family homestead had 6 arpents[10] under cultivation and they had 4 cattle. It is not clear where the farm was located. By 1707, their son Germain had a farm upriver at the Belisle Marshes, east of the fort on the north bank of the Dauphin (Annapolis River).

Biographie

(English version above)

"Né en France vers 1621, François Savoie est arrivé en Acadie avant 1651, date où il s'est marié à Catherine Lejeune. Neuf enfants sont issus de leur mariage."[4]

Discussion

Marriage and Children's Birth Years. You will note that there are minor differences in the French and English biography in the year of marriage and birth of the oldest and youngest children. I have listed the dates provided in Stephen White's DGFA[2] in the Timeline below. SW reports that the oldest child is estimated to be born around 1652, and the marriage around 1651. ( I checked the DGFA corrections and there are none for this family). Based on the 1671 Census, the oldest was 18 years old in 1671, making her birth year around 1653 and the marriage around 1652.

There also appears to be a small discrepancy between the French Census records to the right and the English translation found here and listed below. The French census reports that the baby Marie is 1 1/2 years of age and the English translation reports 2 years.

Timeline

c1621 birth, in France
1632 Treaty Saint-Germain-en-Laye cedes Acadia to France; Razilly brings ~300 elite men[11]
1636 Arrival of the first French families to settle permanantly[3]
before 1651 arrival in Acadia
c1651 marriage to Catherine Lejeune, in Acadia
c1652 birth, daughter Françoise
1654 British capture Port-Royal; French settlement ceases[12]
c1654 birth, son Germain
c1657 birth, daughter Marie
c1658 birth, daughter Jeanne
c1659 birth, daughter Catherine
c1663 birth, son François
c1665 birth, son Barnabé
c1667 birth, daughter Andreé
1667-70 Treaty of Breda cedes Acadia to the French; settlement resumes[13]
c1670 birth, daughter Marie-France
1671 residence, Port Royal
c1??? death

Sources

  • 1671 Acadian Census at Port Royal: Francois SAVOYE, 50, wife, Catherine LeJEUNE 38; children: Francoise 18, Germain 17, Marie 14, Jeanne 13, Catherine 9, Francoise 8, Barabe 6, Andree 4, Marie 2; cattle 4, 6 arpents. Note: thre is an error in this English translation; baby Marie is 11/2 years in the French Census (See image to the right).
  • Young, John Austin S25 Title: The Lejeunes of Acadia and the Youngs of Sothwest Louisiana: Publication: John Austin Young, Grand Pere Farm
  • From Notes on francois Pellerin by GenevaSwiss From Ancestry.com public family tree: Hodnett-Price-Gauthier-Normand andmore CONT Owner: GenevaSwis
  • Griffith-Fogerty Family Tree by Rob Griffith (myheritage.com) Abbreviation: Griffith-Fogerty FT

Footnotes

  1. He was 50 years old at the time of the 1671 census.
  2. 2.0 2.1 2.2 White, Stephen A., Patrice Gallant, and Hector-J Hébert. Dictionnaire Généalogique Des Familles Acadiennes. Moncton, N.-B.: Centre D'études Acadiennes, Université De Moncton, 1999, Print, p 1456-1457.
  3. 3.0 3.1 Massignon, Geneviève. "Les parlers français d'Acadie, enquête linguistique", Librairie Klincksieck, Paris, 1962, 2 tomes, p32 (first French families in Acadia; p36. Savoie is found in the Seigneury of d'Aulnay in France; p49 Savoie family ).
  4. 4.0 4.1 White, Stephen A. La généalogie des trente-sept familles hôtesses des "Retrouvailles 94", Les Cahiers de la Société historique acadienne, vol. 25, nos 2 et 3 (1994). (Savoie)
  5. Their first child was born in 1653. The estimated year of marriage is based on that.
  6. William I. Roberts, 3rd, “SEDGWICK, ROBERT,” in Dictionary of Canadian Biography, vol. 1, University of Toronto/Université Laval, 2003–, accessed November 20, 2013
  7. 7.0 7.1 Dunn, Brenda. A History of Port Royal / Annapolis Royal 1605-1800. Nimbus Publishing, p 23-24(1654 Capture of Port-Royal); p25-27;29 (the English period 1654-1670).
  8. In collaboration, “MORILLON DU BOURG,” in Dictionary of Canadian Biography, vol. 1, University of Toronto/Université Laval, 2003–, accessed November 20, 2013
  9. Charles Trahan's translations adding land holdings to 1671 Census
  10. Statistics Canada defines an arpent as 0.845 acres. According to Clark (Clark, Andrew Hill, Acadia: The Geography of Early Nova Scotia to 1760. Madison: University of Wisconsin Press, 1968, p 87): "The arpent was a basic French unit of land measurement, both linear and areal, but its size at the time is uncertain. In length, 200 feet may be a rough equivalent for an arpent in the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries; it was later standardized to 192 feet. An areal arpent may have been something less than an acre (the usual equivalent was .845 acres) although it has been given the equivalent of as much as an acre and a half in some twentieth century definitions."
  11. George MacBeath, Biography – RAZILLY, ISAAC DE – Volume I (1000-1700) – Dictionary of Canadian Biography Toronto/Université Laval, 2003–, accessed November 20
  12. William I. Roberts, 3rd, “SEDGWICK, ROBERT,” in Dictionary of Canadian Biography, vol. 1, University of Toronto/Université Laval, 2003–, accessed November 20, 2013
  13. In collaboration, “MORILLON DU BOURG,” in Dictionary of Canadian Biography, vol. 1, University of Toronto/Université Laval, 2003–, accessed November 20, 2013

Note

Note: Francois arrived in Acadia in 1643; Francois was a plowman.

Francois Savoie b abt 1621 Martaize, France married Catherine LeJeune b abt 1635 Port ROyal, Acadia ( my 8th gr grandparents) I only have 1 child list but I am sure there were more daughter Francoise Savoie b abt 1653 married Jehan Corporon b abt 1646 my 8th grandparents. (my notes on Jehan "The Acadians in France, Vol.II, Belle-Isle-en-Mer Registers. p.66; transported to NY with youngest daughter Rosalie. also see The Acadians in France, Vol.II, Belle-Isle-en-Mer Registers. p.65. 1671 Acadian Census Jehan CORPORON, 25, wife Francoise SAVOIE 18; Child: one daughter of 6 weeks;

cattle 1, sheep 1."
Hopes this helps.

Notes

Note NI34!BIRTH-MARRIAGE-COMMENT: "Histoire Et Genealogie Des Acadiens", by Arsenault, publ. Port Royal, Property of American-Canadian Genealogical Society, Manchester, NH, Vol 2, Page 794.
Arrived in Acadia about 1643. It is suspected that he was of Royal descent.
 !COMMENT: HOUSE of SAVOY, S*A*D - Society of Acadian Descendants tidbit #26-A,
"Savoy Heritage" by Louis Germain Savoy, p. 19, Private publ., 1983,
also the Columbia Encylcopedia, publ. 1935, and also Grolier Encylcopedia, Prodigy version, 1992, and also Royal research by Michael W. Talbot, Metaire, LA, consisting of computer file on hard disk listing royal ancestors back to
the year 960.
"Francois SAVOY was born in 1621 at Turin, Piedmont, Savoy, Italy. His father is believed to be Thomas Francis, Prince of Carignano, Duke of Savoy, 1596 - 1656, and his mother Marie de Soissons de Bourbon, 1606 - 1692. By virtue of his birth,
Francois was also a Prince. Turin, Piedmont, Savoy, Italy, is the seat, and residence, of the family of the House of Savoy. It is also where the Shroud
of Turin, which belongs to the House of Savoy, is safeguarded. The area is loosely regarded as Savoy. Therefore, an ordinary citizen would be known as de
Savoy, [of/from the area of Savoy], also members of the Savoy family are known as de Savoy. Thomas Francis was the 2nd, and youngest son born to Charles Emmanuel I, Duke of Savoy from 1580 - 1630. His uncle [his father's brother] Victor Amadeus
I, became the Duke of Savoy in 1630 and sired two sons who were both very young when he died in 1637. Francis Hyacinthe I, born in 1632 was
only 5 years old when his father died, passing the House of Savoy into his hands. His younger brother Charles Emmanuel II was only four when his father died in 1637. Becasue both of these sons were so young Francois' father, Thomas Francis,
challenged the authority of the mother of the Dukes of Savoy to rule in their places, and a war broke out between the two sides of the family. (page 19) Obviously, due to the upheavals of the family, Francois left Turin and the family behind.
It was common when a person left their royal family, that the person was disowned and stricken from all records pertaining to that family, completely banished. This would account for the for the lack of records
pertaining to our Prince Francois de Savoy. Francois left Turin, Italy, traveled over the Alps and headed for France to a section of Vienne, a city of Loudin, to join a group of Norman families on their way to the New World, to settle in the
country of Acadia. Francois is reported to be the son of Prince Thomas Francis of Carigano the 2nd son of Charles Emmanuel I, Duke of Savoy from 1580 - 1630. Francois arrived at Port Royal, Acadia about 1643. He married
in Acadia in 1651 to Catherine LeJeune who was born in 1633 at Port Royal, Acadia, Nova Scotia. Both died sometime before 1685. Francois and Catherine are
the parents of nine children, four sons and five daughters, born between 1653 and 1669."
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Duc de Savoie 1528 1528 1 Turin,Italie TOR PIE ITA Lscevole Line 3 Savoie France FRA L giulinis SAVOIE FRA L gro de SAVOIE 1223 1223 1 Aix-en-Provence,13 F13 PCA FRA L galichonj de SAVOIE 1487 1487 1
Cognac F16 PCH FRA L galichonj de SAVOIE 1531 1531 1 Grez-sur-Loing F77 IDF FRA L galichonj de SAVOIE 1771 1771 1 Paris,75,aux Tuileries F75 IDF FRA Lgalichonj line de SAVOIE, Ad?laide ( - vers 1154) de SAVOIE, Agns
( - ) de SAVOIE, Alix ( - ) de SAVOIE, Am?d?e Ier ( - 1047) de SAVOIE, Am?d?e II ( - vers 1095) de SAVOIE, Am?d?e III ( - 15 avril 1149) de SAVOIE, B?atrix ( - 1266) de SAVOIE, Charles Emmanuel III (1701 - ) de SAVOIE, Charlotte (1445 -
1483) de SAVOIE, Emmanuel Philibert ( - ) de SAVOIE, Garnier ( - 16 d?cembre 925) de SAVOIE, Hugues (vers 900 - vers 936) de SAVOIE, Humbert II le Renforc? ( - 1103) de SAVOIE, Humbert III le Saint (15 ao?t 1136 - 18 mars 1188) de SAVOIE,
Louise ( - 1531 Grez-sur-Loing,,,,) de SAVOIE, Manass?s ( - ) de SAVOIE, Marie Ad?la?de (6 d?cembre 1685 - 12 f?vrier 1712Versailles,,,,) de SAVOIE, Marie Louise Gabrielle ( - 1714) de SAVOIE, Marie-Jos?phine ( - ) de SAVOIE, Marie-Th?rse
(13 janvier 1756 - 2 juin 1805 Graz,Autriche,,,) de SAVOIE, Odon ( - 1060) de SAVOIE, Philippe ( - ) de SAVOIE, Pierre ( - ) de SAVOIE, Thiberge (910 - 14 janvier 965) de SAVOIE, Victor-Am?d?e Ier (1587 Turin,Italie,,, -
1637Verceil,Italie,,,) de SAVOIE, Victor-Am?d?e II (1666 Turin,Italie,,, - 1732Moncalieri,Italie,,,) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ de SAVOIE, Victor-Am?d?e Ier Sexe: Masculin Naissance : 1587 ?
Turin,Italie,,, D?cs : 1637 ? Verceil,Italie,,, Famille: Mariage: 10 f?vrier 1619 Conjoint: de FRANCE, Christine Sexe: F?minin Naissance : 12 f?vrier 1606 ? Paris,75,au Louvre,, D?cs : 1663 ? Turin,Italie,,, Parents: Pre: de BOURBON, Henri
IV le Grand Mre: de MEDICIS, Marie Blanche de SAVOIE (-1323) [Pedigree] Daughter of Louis de SAVOIE Baron Vaud and Jeanne de MONTFORT d. AFT Apr 1323 Married Sir William de GRANDISON 1st Lord Grandison (1255-1335) Children: [listed under entry
for William de GRANDISON] References: [CP],[ES],[WallopFH],[FarisPA] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Louis de SAVOIE Baron Vaud [Pedigree] Married Jeanne de MONTFORT Children: 1. Blanche de SAVOIE
(-1323) m. Sir William de GRANDISON 1st Lord Grandison (1255-1335) References: [CP],[ES],[WallopFH],[FarisPA] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Agnes Countess of SAVOY (1138-1177) [Pedigree] Daughter of
Amadeo III of SAVOY Count of Savoy (1092-1148) and Maud (Mathilde) Countess of ALBON (1116-1145) b. Abt 1138, Savoie, France d. 1177 Married Guillaume I of GENEVA Count of Geneva (1130-1195) Children: [listed under entry for Guillaume I of
GENEVA] References: [GENSERV] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Amadeo II Count of SAVOY (1032-1080) [Pedigree] Son of Eudes SAVOY (1002-1057) and Adelais SUZA (1004-) b. Abt 1032 d. 26 Jan 1080 Married
Joan de GENEVA (1034-) Children: 1. Humbert II of SAVOY Count of Murienne and Savoy (1062-1103) m. Gisela (Gille) of Burgundy-Ivrea Countess of Burgundy-Ivrea (1060-1133) References: [GENSERV]
------------------------------------------------------------------------ Amadeo III of SAVOY Count of Savoy (1092-1148) [Pedigree] Son of Humbert II of SAVOY Count of Murienne and Savoy (1062-1103) and Gisela (Gille) of Burgundy-Ivrea Countess
of Burgundy-Ivrea (1060-1133) b. ABT 1092, Savoy, France d. 1 Apr 1148 Married Maud (Mathilde) Countess of ALBON (1116-1145) Children: 1. Maud Countess of SAVOY (1111-1157) 2. Humbert III "le Saint" of SAVOY Count of Savoy (1136-1188) m.
Beatrix de VIENNE (1138-1230) 3. Agnes Countess of SAVOY (1138-1177) m. Guillaume I of GENEVA Count of Geneva (1130-1195) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Beatrice of SAVOY Countess of Savoy (1201-1266)
[Pedigree] Daughter of Thomas I of SAVOY Count of Savoy and Maurienne (1178-1233) and Beatrix (Marguerite) de Geneva and Faucigny (1179-1257) b. ABT 1201, Ghamberg, Savoie, France d. Dec 1266, France Married Raymond Berenger V (IV) of_Provence
Count of Provence and Forcalquier (1198-1245) Children: [listed under entry for Raymond Berenger V (IV) of_Provence] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Eudes SAVOY (1002-1057) [Pedigree] Son of Humbert I of
SAVOY Count of Savoy (975-1042) and Ancelie vonLENZBURG (0974-) b. Abt 1002 d. 19 Jan 1057/1060 Married Adelais SUZA (1004-) Children: 1. Amadeo II Count of SAVOY (1032-1080) m. Joan de GENEVA (1034-) References: [GENSERV]
------------------------------------------------------------------------ Humbert I of SAVOY Count of Savoy (975-1042) [Pedigree] Son of Gerald GENEVA (0942-) Count of Maurienne, Marquis of Italy Count of Aosta, Chablis. b. ABT 975 b. ABT 972 d.
1 Jul 1042/1051 d. 1 Jul 1051 Married first Auchilia of Burgundy Children: 1. Otto_I Count of Savoy, Maurienne (1020-1060) m. Adelaide deMontferrat (1034-1091) 2. Amadeo I Count of Savoy m. Adelaide of Albon & Grenoble 3. Thietberge of
Maurienne (-1013) Married second Ancelie von LENZBURG (0974-) Children: 1. Eudes SAVOY (1002-1057) m. Adelais SUZA (1004-) References: [GENSERV],[ES],[PlantagenetA],[AR7],[RFC],[Talbot1]
------------------------------------------------------------------------ Humbert II of SAVOY Count of Murienne and Savoy (1062-1103) [Pedigree] Son of Amadeo II Count of SAVOY (1032-1080) and Joan de GENEVA (1034-) b. ABT 1062 r. Savoie, France
d. 17 Oct 1103 Married Gisela (Gille) of Burgundy-Ivrea Countess of Burgundy-Ivrea(1060-1133) Children: 1. Alix (Adelaide) of SAVOY Queen of France Countess of Savoy(1092-1154) 2. Amadeo III of SAVOY Count of Savoy (1092-1148) m. Maud
(Mathilde)Countess of ALBON (1116 References: [GENSERV] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Humbert III "le Saint" of SAVOY Count of Savoy (1136-1188) [Pedigree] Son of Amadeo III of SAVOY Count of Savoy
(1092-1148) and Maud (Mathilde) Countess of ALBON (1116-1145) b. 1 Aug 1136, Savoy, France d. 4 Mar 1188/1189, France Married Beatrix de VIENNE (1138-1230) Children: 1. Thomas I of SAVOY Count of Savoy and Maurienne (1178-1233) m. Beatrix
(Marguerite) de Geneva and Faucigny (1179-1257) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thomas I of SAVOY Count of Savoy and Maurienne (1178-1233) [Pedigree] Son of Humbert III "le Saint" of SAVOY Count of Savoy
(1136-1188) andBeatrix de VIENNE (1138- b. 20 May 1178, Chambonnieres, Savoy, Italy b. 20 Mar 1177, Carbonierres, Savoy, France d. 20 Jan 1233, Aosta, Piedmont, Italy d. 1 Mar 1233, Aosta, Savoy, France d. 1233 bur. St. Michael de la Cluse,
Aosta, Savoy, France Married Beatrix (Marguerite) de Geneva and Faucigny (1179-1257) Children: 1. Amadeo IV Count of Savoy (1197-1253) m(1) Anne Duchess of Burgundy (1192-1242) 2. Thomas II of Savoy and Piedmont Ct Mgve of Turin and
Ivrea(1199-1259) m. Beatrice Fieschi (-1283) 3. Beatrice of SAVOY Countess of Savoy (1201-1266) m. Raymond Berenger V (IV) of_Provence Count of Provence and Forcalquier (1198-1245)
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CONC: d about 1650 in Port Royal, Acadie, Canada toCatherine Lejeune Dit Briard. Francois was the s on of Thomas, Duke ofSavoy, Prince Carignan Francois (or) Francis, and Marie De Bourbon DitSo issons. st responded. My understanding of the
connection of Francois to the House of Savoy comes fro m "Savoie Heritage, 1621 toPresent", Expo Press-NY bu Louis Germain Savoy. It is out of print . Ihave been attempting to find a copy to assess the likelyhood. However Ihave not been abl e
to access a copy yet. If you find one, let me know. y unsubstantiated and unreferenced. The Frenchnobility were not sticky about their bastards , who frequently were giventitles and important public positions. They were also frequently r
aisedwith the legitimate children by the wife. I wish we could stoppropagating this unsubstan tiated nonsense. ported assertion ofthe lineage in a small book onthe Savoys whose title I've misplaced. No do cumentation is offered in thebook for
the assertion. The author records it as some his fathe r toldhim. I believe to be the origin of the story. If Thomas illegitimate itis more likely w e would know the mother and not the father. But asextensive records were kept by royal/nobl e
families of this ilk of suchmatters it would be recorded somewhere. It is notable that Sett ipani inhis book on the Bourbons gives no other marriage for Thomas de Savoie, athing he is q uite scrupulous about doing. Thomas lived quite a long
lifefor the periord 1596-1656. Likewis e Settipani would have mentioned amorganatic marriage if such had occurred at that time. is Savoie & Thomas Francois de Savoy, Prince ofCarignano. Other than referances in other gene alogies, I have found
none.I believe there could be a connection but, have not found anydocum entation to prove it. One point that I believe should be made isthat Marie de Bourbon of Sois sons, although the wife of Thomas Franois deSavoy, could not have been the
mother of Francoi s Savoie. Thomas Francois& Marie de Bourbon were married in Paris in 1625. Francois is not li stedas a child of this marriage by any of the official records of the Houseof Savoy or othe r records of European royalty. Thomas
Francois & Marie deBourbon had 5 or 6 children, includi ng 3 sons, none of whom were namedFrancois, & all children were born after 1625 (the first on e, a daughter,was born in the beginning of 1626). If there is a connection betweenFrancois Sa
voie & Thomas Francois de Savoy, it would have to be from anearlier (and as yet undiscovered ) morganic marriage, or would beillegitimate. I hope that a connection can be established, be cause ThomasFrancois de Savoy has an amazing genealogy
that can be traced not only toCharlema gne, but to all of the royal houses of Europe. ng of the connection of Francois to the House ofSavoy comes from "Savoie Heritage, 1621 to Pr esent, Expo Press-NY buLouis Germain Savoy. It is out of print.
I have been attempting to fin d acopy to assess the likelyhood. However I have not been able to access acopy yet. If you fi nd one, let me know. nection to the Spanish Throne, you first have toaccept that there is a connection between th e
Savoie family & The Houseof Savoy (i.e. that Francois Savoie was the son of Thomas Francoi s deSavoy). Thomas Francois's mother was Catherine (Katalina) von Habsburg,the daughter of Ph ilip II of Spain & Elizabeth de Valoise. ot Savoie but some
interesting things. That CarignanSalieres regiment were in fact used by th e French to supress the Iroquoisin Quebec. Although the Carignan Salieres were not specifical lymentioned. It seems that some of the soldiers used to supress theIroquois
were later sent t o Acadia. (Port Royal, I believe.) Source TheCanadian Frontier 1534-1760. Though this is no t in any way proof ofFrancois being son of Thomas, It is an interesting connection. ably Martaize in Vienne region of Northern
Poitou),came to Acadia bef. 1650, married Catherin e LEJEUNE. The theory is thatFrancois was the son (illegitmate??) of Thomas Francois de Savoi e who wasapparently the son of the Duke of Savoy. A Germain Savoie asserted thisin a book wri tten
about 20 years ago, but no documentation that I've seenAnybody got anything concrete o n this? It would be neat if it weren't allwishful thinking, as it would connect us to most o f the Royal houses ofEurope. (not bad for a bunch of Acadian
farmers). But I'm always a bitsu spicious of undocumented Royal connections. f Savoie. Carignano is simply an off-shoot of theHouse of Savoy. Tommaso is an Latinized for m of Thomas, just as Francoisis a Latinized form of Francis. I have also
seen his name as To mmasoFrancesco of Carignano. All of these varitions refer to the same person,who has been al ledged as possibly the father of Francois Savoie. You arecorrect that Thomas Francois of Savo y, Prince of Carignan &
VittorioAmedeo I of Savoy (also known as Victor Amadeus I) were broth ers. Isthere another connection to Francois Savoie & Francesco Hyacinth of Savoy? ssibility of Tomaso Francesco of Savoy to FrancoisSavoie via a second "unknown" wife (c/o LD
S Ancestral File). How do weknow that Arsenault is correct? There is a reference # associate d withthe link I will follow up on. n Paris 3.5.1606 and died Paris 4.6.1692, was buriedat the Church of Saint Sulpice; she too k the habit at
Fonevrault3.4.1610, which she quit; she was called the princess of Carignan. S hemarried 6.1.1625, Thomas de Savoie, prince de Carignan, marquis de Busqueand de Chatellard , comte de Raconis and de Villefrance, grand master ofFrance (took oath
22.21654), general o f the armies of the king of Francein Italy, chevalier of the order of the Annunciation, 22.12 .1596. DiedTurin in the Piedmont 22.1.1656, buried the church of St. John in Turin,son of Cha rles Emmanuel I, duc de Savoie,
etc., and of Catherine ofAustria. ire Genealogique de l'Auguste Maison de France,"under thedirection of Patrick van Kerrebrouck . Copies may be obtained bywriting Mr. van Kerrebrouck, 27 allee du Triez, F - 59650 Villeneu ved'Ascq, France
orbone-Soissons. She could have been the mother ofFrancois in the event she bore him an extre mely tender age. io. Herein is a Francois Hyancith (FrancescoGiacinto) born 1622, died 1637. He was the 13th D uke of Savoie, and uponhis death his
brother Carlo Emmanuele II became the 14th Duke of Savoi e.His uncle Thomas was the Prince of Carignan; the military troupe thatarrived in Canada at t he same time as our Francois was of the same name.Francesco's grandfather was Carlo Emmanul e
I and his mother was CatherineHapsburg. His father was Vittorio Amedeo I and mother Cristin e de France.Common family names were Emmanuele, Victor, Philip, Marie, Maurice,Margerite, Isa belle. -1145) 1230)
--Invalid Dates
ancois de Savoi e who wasapparently the son of the Duke of Savoy. A Germain Savoie asserted thisin a book wri tten about 20 years ago, but no documentation that I've seenAnybody got anything concrete o n this? It would be neat if it weren't
allwishful thinking, as it would connect us to most o f the Royal houses ofEurope. (not bad for a bunch of Acadian farmers). But I'm always a bitsu spicious of undocumented Royal connections. f Savoie. Carignano is simply an off-shoot of
theHouse of Savoy. Tommaso is an Latinized for m of Thomas, just as Francoisis a Latinized form of Francis. I have also seen his name as To mmasoFrancesco of Carignano. All of these varitions refer to the same person,who has been al ledged as
possibly the father of Francois Savoie. You arecorrect that Thomas Francois of Savo y, Prince of Carignan & VittorioAmedeo I of Savoy (also known as Victor Amadeus I) were broth ers. Isthere another connection to Francois Savoie & Francesco
Hyacinth of Savoy? ssibility of Tomaso Francesco of Savoy to FrancoisSavoie via a second "unknown" wife (c/o LD S Ancestral File). How do weknow that Arsenault is correct? There is a reference # associate d withthe link I will follow up on. n
Paris 3.5.1606 and died Paris 4.6.1692, was buriedat the Church of Saint Sulpice; she too k the habit at Fonevrault3.4.1610, which she quit; she was called the princess of Carignan. S hemarried 6.1.1625, Thomas de Savoie, prince de Carignan,
marquis de Busqueand de Chatellard , comte de Raconis and de Villefrance, grand master ofFrance (took oath 22.21654), general o f the armies of the king of Francein Italy, chevalier of the order of the Annunciation, 22.12 .1596. DiedTurin in
the Piedmont 22.1.1656, buried the church of St. John in Turin,son of Cha rles Emmanuel I, duc de Savoie, etc., and of Catherine ofAustria. ire Genealogique de l'Auguste Maison de France,"under thedirection of Patrick van Kerrebrouck . Copies
may be obtained bywriting Mr. van Kerrebrouck, 27 allee du Triez, F - 59650 Villeneu ved'Ascq, France orbone-Soissons. She could have been the mother ofFrancois in the event she bore him an extre mely tender age. io. Herein is a Francois
Hyancith (FrancescoGiacinto) born 1622, died 1637. He was the 13th D uke of Savoie, and uponhis death his brother Carlo Emmanuele II became the 14th Duke of Savoi e.His uncle Thomas was the Prince of Carignan; the military troupe thatarrived in
Canada at t he same time as our Francois was of the same name.Francesco's grandfather was Carlo Emmanul e I and his mother was CatherineHapsburg. His father was Vittorio Amedeo I and mother Cristin e de France.Common family names were
Emmanuele, Victor, Philip, Marie, Maurice,Margerite, Isa belle. -1145) 1230)
--Sources
aso Francesco of Savoy to FrancoisSavoie via a second "unknown" wife (c/o LD S Ancestral File). How do weknow that Arsenault is correct? There is a reference # associate d withthe link I will follow up on. n Paris 3.5.1606 and died Paris
4.6.1692, was buriedat the Church of Saint Sulpice; she too k the habit at Fonevrault3.4.1610, which she quit; she was called the princess of Carignan. S hemarried 6.1.1625, Thomas de Savoie, prince de Carignan, marquis de Busqueand de
Chatellard , comte de Raconis and de Villefrance, grand master ofFrance (took oath 22.21654), general o f the armies of the king of Francein Italy, chevalier of the order of the Annunciation, 22.12 .1596. DiedTurin in the Piedmont 22.1.1656,
buried the church of St. John in Turin,son of Cha rles Emmanuel I, duc de Savoie, etc., and of Catherine ofAustria. ire Genealogique de l'Auguste Maison de France,"under thedirection of Patrick van Kerrebrouck . Copies may be obtained bywriting
Mr. van Kerrebrouck, 27 allee du Triez, F - 59650 Villeneu ved'Ascq, France orbone-Soissons. She could have been the mother ofFrancois in the event she bore him an extre mely tender age. io. Herein is a Francois Hyancith (FrancescoGiacinto)
born 1622, died 1637. He was the 13th D uke of Savoie, and uponhis death his brother Carlo Emmanuele II became the 14th Duke of Savoi e.His uncle Thomas was the Prince of Carignan; the military troupe thatarrived in Canada at t he same time as
our Francois was of the same name.Francesco's grandfather was Carlo Emmanul e I and his mother was CatherineHapsburg. His father was Vittorio Amedeo I and mother Cristin e de France.Common family names were Emmanuele, Victor, Philip, Marie,
Maurice,Margerite, Isa belle. -1145) 1230)
1671 Acadian Census, Port Royal
Francois SAVOYE, 50, wife, Catherine LeJEUNE 38; children: Francoise 18, Germain 16, Marie 14, Jeanne 13, Catherine 9, Francoise 8, Barabe 6, Andree 4, Marie 2; cattle 4.







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