Peter Schneider (1590 - 1663)

Born 1590 in Canton Berne, Switzerland [uncertain]

Ancestors

Descendants

Died 1663 at about age 73 in Switzerland [uncertain]

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Biography

Resided in an unknown city,^[1] in Canton Berne.

As during the time of his forefathers, the Bern region still wages oppression campaigns against Anabaptists.^[2] Unable to find any evidence whether this Peter was an Anabaptist or not, although it is clear that his descendants eventually are.

Research Notes

I, David Snyder 11168, have altered some of the original data and notes based on an analysis of the various sources. This analysis was kindly verified and endorsed by Mr. Gerald Baraboo. Here is a summary posted on 15 October 2019 (all websites accessed 13, 14, or 15 October 2019):

1. Schneider Family Bible - good. Not a true primary source but close to it. See https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:Common_Sources%2C_Descendants_of_Hannes_Schneider_born_1534 for more information.

2. Tale of Two Families - John Brown and Abbe Lavina Colaw, 2019, by Diana J Muir – unknown quality. The details seem to be very specific and precise compared to the Family Bible, but I have access only to a partial online version, not the full book, so I am not sure what the sources are. I contacted the author who was at first receptive to questions, but unfortunately did not respond when I asked for a source after demonstrating some inconsistencies between the Family Bible and her information. I shall have to wait until a used or library copy of the book becomes available because I don’t want to spend the~ $75 to get a new one at the moment. https://books.google.ca/books?id=-bekDwAAQBAJ&pg=PR1&lpg=PR1&dq=tale+of+two+families+-+john+brown+and+abbe+lavina+colaw&source=bl&ots=-GbL8LlK5l&sig=ACfU3U1e85eNyabIWNHjEP8YJHc2fvuP1g&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjI_bLDua7kAhWOX8AKHbX-CsUQ6AEwAXoECAkQAQ#v=onepage&q=tale%20of%20two%20families%20-%20john%20brown%20and%20abbe%20lavina%20colaw&f=false

3. Schneider/Snyder Family, short paper by Bittenger, 2015 – not original. The very brief listing of “the older generations” of Schneiders summarises the information from the Family Bible exactly from 1534 to Johannes in 1697. The source provided by him is the Mennonite Family History, July 1993 edition. There is no original research here to help resolve this specific profile mystery. https://bittingergenealogicalresearch.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/schneidersnyderfamily.pdf

4. Find A Grave (FaG), April 2018 - suspect. There are four entries of immediate relevance: Johan Peter https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/188485701/johan-peter-schneider Hans (father) https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/188485233/hans-schneider Barbil (mother) https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/188485124/barbil-schneider Susanna (wife) https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/188485877/susanna-schneider There are obvious typos, including on Hans’ profile his being married shortly following his death! The information is consistent from one family member to the next. There are also obvious discrepancies between the FaG information and the sources described above, which is confusing since there are also convincing matches. There is much discussion on G2G about using FaG memorials as sources. I sent an enquiry to the FaG profile Creator asking about sources to which he responded with some incomplete references to German church registers that had no relevance to the members in question. I sent an observation outlining the similarities and differences between our information and asked for enhanced sources but never heard back from him.

5. Geni.com, May 2018 – unknown quality. The reference is given as My Heritage Family Trees which is a paid site. https://www.geni.com/people/Peter-Schneider/6000000007709514343

6. Timothy Easterday Family Tree.ged, Nikolaus Arsenius thiel.ged. These imported GEDCOMs are not sourced - poor. I attempted to contact Profile Manager Timothy Easterday on 28 August 2019 to see where his information came from. No response.

7. Deutschland Gerburten und Taufen, 1558-1898, Family Search - poor. The link provided in the public comment of 29 August 2019 does not lead to the correct family. However, a further investigation of Family Search using various Swiss databases provides information that is from Find a Grave, not actual records. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VHQM-CRQ

8. Joe Payne Family Group Sheet - poor. Just a list, no sources provided. http://joepayne.org/pedigree/f1253.htm

9. I have investigated the State Archives for Canton Bern, regions Signau. Lauperswill, and Langnau church registers. Most of the records of that time period are for baptisms, and Mennonites would not have baptised their children. Regardless, I looked for baptisms, marriages, and deaths for all Schneiders in the appropriate years but found nothing except the marriage record between Hans Schnyder and Barbli Staufer. Either they are not recognisable due to the difficult-to-read script or poor quality reproduction on some pages, or the records exist in other areas of Canton Bern besides Signau, Lauperswill, or Langnau. I am not willing to search every part of Berne at this time. https://www.query.sta.be.ch/archivplansuche.aspx?ID=37 , look under “Kirchenbucher” or “Church Books”

Find a Grave Material From an Earlier Submission

See note 4 above on the reliability of this information.

BURIAL

Kirchgemeinde Röthenbach Cemetery Rothenbach, Verwaltungskreis Emmental, Bern, Switzerland

MEMORIAL ID 188485701

Johan Peter Schneider was born in 1590 at Bern, Switzerland the son of Hans and Barbil Stauffer Schneider. He married about 1613 in Bern, Susanna Reisz of Bern.

Known Children:

1. Barbil Schneider 1615 - 2. Hans Jacob "Wilhelm" Schneider 1617 - 1697 Md Maria Burcklin Leonhard Died Baden-Wuerttemberg, Germany 3. Anna Schneider 4. Jacob Schneider 1624 - 1695 Died Zweibrucken, Rhineland, Germany 5. Ulrich Schneider 1628 - Written by John Wilhite

Parents

Hans Schneider 1564–1589 Barbil Stauffer Schneider 1571–1630

Spouse

Susanna Reisz Schneider 1590–1626

Children

Hans Jacob Schneider 1617 – unknown

Maintained by John Wilhite contributor 48140210.

Imported gedcom data

This biography was auto-generated by a GEDCOM import. Schneider-3198 was created by Tim Easterday through the import of Timothy Easterday Family Tree.ged on Jul 29, 2014.

This biography was auto-generated by a GEDCOM import. Schneider-3285 was created by Linda DeFrees through the import of Nikolaus Arsenius thiel.ged on Jul 23, 2014.

Sources

1. ↑ There is an error in identifying the city in which Peter (1590 - 1663) lived and where his son Jacob (1624 - 1695) was born. The English translation says "Peter Schneider son of Jacob Schneider (2) resided in the city Lucerne, Canton Berne . . ." and later ". . . Jacob Schneider (4) was born in Lucerne, Switzerland June 13th . . ." However, Lucern is not nor ever was in Canton Berne. Upon checking the actual German script, the town name is unable to be read clearly but it is definately not "Lucerne". It could be "Lauperswill" or Langnau" - both regions in Canton Bern, but I am not sure.
2. ↑ Bernese Anabaptist History - A Chronological Outline by Hanspeter Jecker, Theologisches Seminar Bienenberg, updated 03/03/2019, http://swissmennonite.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Bernese-Anabaptist-History-A-Chronological-Outline-1.pdf accessed 28 October 2019

• All sources appear above in the "Research Notes" section.