Research Notes Edward Pitt 1592-1643

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Problem: two sets of parents and children with identical names/dates/ places and very different biographies.

The set on the right belongs to the accepted pedigree of the Pitts of Stratfield Saye. The one on the left belongs to a quite different family, which in my opinion did not exist. Some of the names of members of the accepted Pitt family are grafted into this second family both in this and later generations. This makes it impossible to continue to add the children of Edward Pitt and wife Rachel without seeming to create duplicates.

Originally William Pitt and his wife Edith Cadbury were part of the 'fictitious' lineage but were merged before the extent of the differences was realized. William's profile contained the following text:

12th Great Grandfather William Pitt is shown to be a ship designer, ship owner and merchant. Will did trade business in East India and Turkey according to the research done for Pitt Private Genealogy team. He and wife Edith also died together off the Ship in the Indian Ocean. It is stated the ship was named 'Aimee' - cannot confirm this yet. William was Roman Catholic of English and French Heritage and Edith was a Methodist and Heritage was English. Source: Pitt Private Tree (refer to Profile of John Pitt 1863 - 1898 for all sources used in this tree). Ancestral File Number:<AFN> 9SZR-65

(descendant list of Pitt-477 https://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/Pitt-Descendants-477 ) ( descendent list of Pitt-71 https://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/Pitt-Descendants-71... very sparse as missing most of his children)

children of Edward W Pitt and wife Adele Blythe (Woodsworth) Pitt Pitt-477	Children of Edward Pitt and wife Rachel Morton Pitt-71 Sources see below
Edith Pitt born 1618 Stratfield Saye Edith was born prior to her parents marriage. The females were raised in the Church of Scotland and the males were raised Roman Catholic.	Edith married Charles Sydenham s of Sir Edward Sydenham, Knight Marshall
William Pitt, born 1621 no details	William died without issue (tree ref below b 1620)
Elizabeth Pitt, born 1622 Elizabeth was christened at the Church of Scotland August 8, 1622. This profile is a work in progresst	Ekizabeth was the youngest daughter so not this one
Edward Pitt, born 1624 died under one year	Edward died without issue (tree ref below b 1622)
George Pitt born 1623 died July 7 1694 linked as husband of Jane Savage NB have unlinked her and linked to George son of Edward and Rachel Christened at the roman catholic church Sept. 8, 1623 and buried July 28, 1694 at Stratfield Cemetery at age 71. George is described as a Merchant	George Pitt born 1625 died 1694 The eldest son and heir married Jane Savage, eldest daughter of John Savage, Earl Rivers (widow of George, Lord Sudley) They had 4 sons and 4 daughters George Pitt was an MP (will prob 18th August 1694 )
Edward Pitt, born 1624 died 1625	Edward died without issue
John George Pitt Sr Married to Rachel Morton (this Rachel has different dates to the Rachel Morton married to Edward Pitt ) They are linked as parents to a George Morton Pitt 10th Great Grandfather. Occupation: Lord Chamberlain to the Royal House of Bristol. Also a Wine Merchant. Religion shown as Roman Catholic and Heritage - French and Scottish. He died at age 89	John (tree ref below has 1620 to living 1711 but is incorrect as born after George ) married Catherine Venables daughter of Nicholas Venables, Their son John married Sarah Charlton and their son was George Morton Pitt of Twickenham MP for Pomfret died Jan 1756
Thomas Pitt 1627 Christened Roman Catholic. This is a work in progress	Thomas who married Frances, daughter of Giles Coffey of Compton Gloucestershire (tree ref below has b 1627 Note a Thomas Pitt who died in 1613 was chamberlain of Bristol)
Nicholas Pitt, 1628-1665 died at sea Nicholas was a merchant seaman. He died at sea in 1665 off the coast of France.	Nicholas mentioned as unmarried at this time (so presumably still alive) when Stratfield Saye memorial engraved in 1681 (tree ref below calls him Nicholas of Bere Regis 1628-before 1611)
Samuel born before 1630 died 1694 Normandy Samuel was a wine merchant for the Pitt Family	Samuel born 1630 died 1694 buried at Milton Abbas, Dorset. Stone reads Samuel Pitt, genorosus, Edwardi Pitt de Stratfield-Sea in comitatu South'ton, armugeri, filius natu septimus. Qui sua Catharinae sorori, omnibus sui desiderium reliquit. Obiit Anno Aetatis 64, Salutis, 1694 Collins Peerage His will Samuel Pitt gentleman of Dorset prob 10 Jan 1694 Milton Abbas, Dorset, England left everything to sister Katherine Whittaker widow. PROB 11/424/54
Frances Pitt, born 1634 died 1651 in Southampton Frances died during childbirth. This profile is a work in progress.	Francis born 1630 (tree ref below) married Elizabeth daughter of Jeffery Jefferyes of Abercunick Brecon
Edward Pitt 2nd, born 1634 died 1701 Normandy married Agnes Goodman at Knibworth Beauchamp in Leicestershire Edward was born to Edward Pitt and Adele Woodsworth in 1634 at Stratfield Saye, Hampshire, England. He met and married Agnes Goodman April 6, 1660 at Kibworth, Beauchamp, Leicester, England. (Her Father Rev. Edward Goodman married the couple). Edward was on his way to France to train with his uncles in the Pitt Wine business in Normandy, France. Edward became a merchant for the Wine business. He and Agnes raised their family and lived in Normandy, France. When they died they were buried there. hire	Edward 2 died without issue
Christopher Pitt, born 1635 died 1635 Christopher died as a infant in England. This profile is a work in progress	Christopher b ?1634 (tree ref below has 1604 but has sons in order so this should perhaps be 1634) the youngest son .Married to Dionisia sister of Sr Wm Bassett of Carlton of Somerset (memorial window)
Catherine Pitt, born 1637 Catherine was born to Edward & Adele Pitt. She was christened in the Church of Scotland Nov. 9, 1637 This profile is a work in progress	Catherine married Sir Francis Whitaker esq of St Martins
Rachel Pitt b 1639 Rachel was christened June 19, 1639 at the Church of Scotland. This profile is a work in progress	Rachel, married John Kingsmill of Sandelford Berkshire
Elizabeth Pitt born 1640 died 1640	Elizabeth, youngest died in infancy

The most important source is the memorial at Stratfield Saye. http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/hants/vol4/pp57-63 This includes this inscription

• Here were inter'd in the year 1643 ye Bodyes of Edw Pitt Esq. Sonn & heire of Sr Wm Pitt Kt and Rachell his wife the eldest Daughter of Sr George Morton of Milborne in the County of Dorsett Barrt by whom he had issue Tenn Sonns (viz.)
• Wm and two Edwards who dyed unmaryed.
• Nichs and Samuel not maryed when this was ingraven.
• John maryed to Katherine Daughter of Nichs Venables of Andover in the County of South'ton Esq.
• Thomas Maryed to Frances Daughter of Giles Cossey of Cosseys Compton in ye County Glocester Esq.
• Francis Maryed to Eliz: Daughter of Jeffery Jefferyes of Alburcunick in ye County of Brecon Esq. *Christopher ye youngest Maryed to Dionisia sister of Sr Wm Bassett of Carlton in ye County of Sum[m]ersett.

He had allsoe four Daughters:

• Edith Maryed to Charles Sydenham Esq. Sonn and heire of Sr Edw. Sydenham Knigt-Marshall
• Rachell Maryed to John Kingesmell of Sandelford in the County of Berkes Esqr.
• Katherine Maryed to Francis Whitaker of St. Martins in the County of Midelsex Esq.
• Eliz. the youngest dyed in her Infancy.

George the third Sonn by Birth became (in ye yeare 1643) the Eldest Sonn and heire of Edward & Inter-Maryed with the Right Honourable Jane Lady Chandos 2nd Daughter to John Earle Rivers and Relict of George Lord Chandos Baron of Sudeley

by whom he had four sonns George William John and Edward and four daughters Mary Eliz: Jane & Ann all living at the Death of theire Mother who departed this life the 6 of June 1676 to the greate Griefe of all that knew her,' &c. Her husband erected this monument in 1681, and was himself buried here in 1694.

Other sources include History of Parliament Edward Pitt: http://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1604-1629/member/pitt-edward-1592-1643#footnote16_5eudjga History of Parliament George Pitt http://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1660-1690/member/pitt-george-1625-94 A family tree that appears to be correct to be found on this google books page https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=JG2km_lggToC&pg=PR28-IA2&lpg=PR28-IA2&dq=John+Pitt+Venables&source=bl&ots=SDpNi88WWI&sig=Y6yc9F_spMendvVz_TqR3ZZM8x4&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjo_JPPt7TOAhXGExoKHUAoC1IQ6AEIMzAE#v=onepage&q=John%20Pitt%20Venables&f=false