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Thomas Spencer, was baptised on 12 March 1571/2 at Edworth, Bedfordshire, the son of Michael Spencer and Elizabeth [1] By the time he was 4 his parents had moved to Stotfold, two miles to the south of Edworth.
He married and had children, but his marriage hasn't been found, and his wife's name isn't known, other than Bedford Archives holds the will of Ann Spencer, widow of Thomas, proved in 1636 (copy awaited).
He appears to have moved to the City of London after the birth of Gerard in Stotfold in 1601, where three of his other children were baptised 1605-1611 . He moved back to Stotfold at some stage as he bought 25 acres of farmland from his brother Jerrard in 1616, and was appointed a trustee of an annuity in 1623 - Thomas Spenser, yeoman of Stotfold[2]
He was buried at Stotfold, Bedfordshire on 13 June 1631, as "Thomas Spenser, gent."[3];
With no marriage found and with his wife not named in any baptism of their children, it would seem possible that the "Margaret Spenser, widow," who was buried at Stotfold 19 Dec 1635 was the widow of Thomas, but the Rev. Mr. Holding identifies her as Thomas' daughter who had married Simon Spencer.[4]How did he identify her without finding an earlier burial of her husband Simon?
Children:
i. Gerard, bapt. at Stotfold, 20 Sept. 1601; m. there, 4 Aug 1628, Joan Hills, who was bur. at Stotfold, 12 Aug 1649.[4]
ii. Elizabeth baptised in London 24 Nov 1605
iii. Thomas, received by will of his uncle Richard lands near St. Albans, Herts. Could have been born anywhere between 1599 and 1615. No baptism found.
iv. Anthony, bap City of London 3 Mar 1611, m. at Stotfold, 7 Feb 1632/3, Katherine Hills.[4]
v. Richard, according to Mr. Holding was named in the will of his uncle Richard, but he does not appear in the detailed abstract given by Mr. Waters (supra); hence the existence of such a son in the family of Thomas remains to be verified. There is no reference to a Richard son of Thomas in the PCC copy of the will held at TNA, downloaded by Cooper-13819 21:03, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
vi. Margaret, named as deceased in the will of her uncle Richard in 1646. Bap 2 Oct 1608 City of London. m. 22 Oct 1629,[5] Simon Spencer, son of Thomas and ___ (Halliday) Spencer, of a different Spencer line; left two children who were mentioned but not named in the will of Richard Spencer, of whom one was Anna, bapt. 20 Oct 1630, And a baptism of John on 10 Sep 1633 at Bedford St Mary son of Simon. She may be the Margaret Spencer, widow, who was buried at Stotfold 19 Dec 1635, but the entry could equally pertain to her mother, whose given name is not known.
Whilst the will doesn't say "Margaret Spencer deceased, daughter of my brother Thomas deceased" she's included in a section dealing with two other children of his brother Thomas deceased so it's reasonable to assume that she was either the daughter or the daughter in law of Thomas.
A conveyance dated 2 Oct 9 Charles [1634] proves the relationship however -
i) agrees to levy fine to ii) of
Cooper-13819 20:09, 2 November 2020 (UTC) Just found that Bedfordshire Archives and Records Service holds the will of Anne Spencer of Stotfold, widow of Thomas Spencer proved 29 Feb 1635/6. This looks suspiciously like the Margaret Spencer widow who was buried at Stotfold on 19 Dec 1635. Either way, I need to get it! It should answer a few questions. Watch this space. BARS reduced service due to lockdown. May take a day or three.
Interesting that the 1634 Conveyance refers to a sister(s) of Margaret of whom I have seen no other mention. An Elizabeth dau of Thomas was baptised in the same church as Anthony and Margaret, who I assume is from the same family.
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P.S. And let me rephrase this - did you find convincing evidence that the DNA info might be incorrect?
I suggest I use the profile of Richard to create a new profile for his brother Thomas, who definitely existed and is named in the same will. (Done with the approval of Richard's PM.)
David
https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/spencer/about/results .... So please UN-link Thomas who m. Patience Chadbourne from THIS Thomas, as his son...he's not! Thanks!
C 2/JasI/S34/55
Description:Short title: Spencer v Ford.
Plaintiffs: Thomas Spencer (overseer of the poor of Stotfold).
Defendants: William Ford, Richard Ford and William Allen.
Subject: annuity for charitable purposes issuing out of lands in Stotfold, Bedfordshire.
Document type: [pleadings].
UBP
Date:1603-1625
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Categories: Stotfold, Bedfordshire | Edworth, Bedfordshire
Children:
i. Anthony, m. at Stotfold, 7 Feb 1632/3, Katherine Hills. ii. Gerard, bapt. at Stotfold, 20 Sept. 1601; m. there, 4 Aug 1628, Joan Hills, who was bur. at Stotfold, 12 Aug 1649. Children, recorded at Stotfold: 1. Ann, bapt. 14 May 1629. 2. Elizabeth, bapt. 17 Jan 1630/1; bur. 7 Sept 1632. 3. Ursula, bapt. 18 Apr 1633. 4. Mary, bapt. 16 Sept 1635; m. 4 Oct 1659, William Wise. 5. Elizabeth, bapt. 21 July 1639; bur. 31 July 1639. 6. Sarah, bapt. 21 July 1639; bur. 31 July 1639. 7. Richard, bapt. 5 Nov 1643. 8. John, bapt. 4 Apr 1646. iii. Thomas, received by will of his uncle Richard lands near St. Albans, Herts. iv. Richard, according to Mr. Holding was named in the will of his uncle Richard, but he does not appear in the detailed abstract given by Mr. Waters (supra); hence the existence of such a son in the family of Thomas remains to be verified. v. Margaret, named as deceased in the will of her uncle Richard in 1646; according to Mr. Holding, she m. 22 Nov 1629, Simon Spencer, son of Thomas and ___ (Halliday) Spencer, of a different Spencer line; left two children, mentioned but not named in the will of Richard Spencer, of whom one was Anna, bapt. 20 Oct 1630. She may be the Margaret Spencer, widow, who was buried at Stotfold 19 Dec 1635, but the entry may conceivable pertain to her mother, whose given name is not known.
The Four Spencer Brothers - Their Ancestors and Descendants, Donald Lines Jacobus, M.A., The American Genealogist, 27 (April 1951)