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William Sutton (abt. 1641 - 1718)

William Sutton
Born about in Scituate, Plymouth County, Massachusettsmap [uncertain]
Son of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
Husband of — married [date unknown] [location unknown]
Husband of — married 11 Jul 1666 in Eastham, MAmap
Descendants descendants
Died at about age 77 in Woodbridge, Middlesex County, New Jerseymap
Profile last modified | Created 13 Sep 2010
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Contents

Biography

William was a Friend (Quaker)

William Sutton is said to have been born 25 May 1641 in Scituate, Plymouth Colony, Massachusetts. However, no source for his birth or baptism has been found and his birthdate and parentage is currently unknown.

Presumed & Disputed Origin

It was suspected that he was the son of George Sutton and Sarah (Tilden) Sutton for many years, and this claim was often taken as fact. "His George Sutton's family's association with the Quaker religion tends to reinforce the belief that Daniel Sutton, of Burlington County, NJ and William Sutton, who was an influential Quaker in Woodbridge/Piscataway, NJ are his sons. Both had emigrated from Massachusetts at about the same time as the others moved to North Carolina."[1] [2] There is no documenation to support it, and, UPDATE - AUGUST 2022: DNA has proven that George Sutton and Sarah (Tilden) Sutton are not the parents of William Sutton. (See research note on parents below.)

Marriages

  1. Damaris Martin Bisop, m. 11 Jul 1666 in Barnstable, Massachusetts Bay
  2. Jane Barnes, m. 9 Jan 1684 in Piscataway, Middlesex, New Jersey

Children with Damaris Bishop

William's children born in Piscataway, New Jersey are recorded in the Piscataway Birth Records. [3] [4]

  1. Alice Sutton
  2. Thoms Bishop Sutton, m. Mary Adams
  3. Mary Sutton, m. Daniel McDaniel
  4. William Sutton
  5. Damaris Sutton, m. Benjamin Force
  6. John David Sutton Sr., m. Elizabeth Conger
  7. Judah Sutton 24 Jan 1674-75
  8. Richard Sutton, m. Sarah Rongnion/Runyon
  9. Joseph Sutton - died young
  10. Benjamin Sutton - died young
  11. Daniel Sutton Sr., m. Patience Martin, then Lydia Collier

In an interesting footnote in ‪“Contributions to the Early History of Perth Amboy and Adjoining Country,” William Adee Whitehead wrote, [5]

"On the 25th Nov 1682, William Sutton voluntarily gives his son Richard to James and Elizabeth Giles, until he shall be 21 — they agreeing to do for him "as for their own." ( He may be referring to James Giles (abt.1626-1690). (A primary source for this information is being sought.)

Counted among the founders of New Jersey

William is counted among the founders of New Jersey by the Descendants of Founders of New Jersey [6]

An original grant from the proprietors of Eastern New Jersey was made to William Sutton on 17 Feb 1685, of a house and lot of twenty-two acres in Piscataway Township, and on 20 Mar 1687 they conveyed to him 125 acres in the bounds of the town of Piscataway, twenty-five acres of which was to Jane, his wife. [7]

William Sutton was a pillar of the Quaker Meeting at Woodbridge near Piscataway, and was constable and town clerk. [citation needed]

According to Isaac C. Sutton, in 1948, "The old Sutton farm lies on Sutton Lane, across the river from New Brunswick, in Piscataway Township." [8]

Grandson, Joseph Sutton

  • Joseph Sutton, b. 11 Sep 1693, and m. Priscilla Langstaff, died before 21 April 1762 when his will was proved. Joseph had been believed to be the son of WIlliam Sutton. However, despite the transcription of the Piscataway birth records stating he was the son of WIlliam Sutton and Damaris Bishop, and the subsequent belief that he was actually the son of WIlliam and his second wife, Jane Barnes, no other evidence has been found of that. In fact, in Joseph's will, written 23 Oct 1754 and provied 21 April 1762, he states:
    "...after the death of my father, Thomas Sutton..."
    and
    "...that lot which was my father, Thomas Sutton's homestead..." [9]

    So we must conclude that he was not the son of William Sutton and either of his wives, but rather of Thomas Bishop Sutton (1669-1754) and is WIlliam's grandson.

William died 28 4th mo. [June] 1718 at the age of 77. [10] He is buried at the Little Quaker Churchyard in Woodbridge. [11]

Published Texts About WIlliam

Genealogical Notes of the Sutton Family of New Jersey by E.F.H. Sutton

"The first of the family of whom we have record was William Sutton, who appears in Massachusetts in 1666, at Eastham on Cape Cod. As the stream of Puritan immigration had almost dried up twenty years before this date, it is extremely probable that he represents the second generation in New England. Their proximity suggests a relationship to one or the other of two families of Suttons, respectively, of Hingham and Scituate, small towns of old Plymouth colony directly across the bay from Eastham.

"Careful investigation has failed as yet to establish a connection with either, or to suggest any other lines of research. Our history opens, therefore, at Eastham, on the 11th of July, 1666 with the marriage of William Sutton, yeoman (aged probable 25 years), of either English birth or descent, to Damaris, daughter of Alice and Richard Bishop. Eastham, originally called Nausett, after the name of a local Indian tribe, was at this date a settlement of some 20 years standing, and numbered some four or five dozen souls - a tiny outpost of English life and civilization, planted upon the"narrow neck of land" between the bleak bay and the bleaker Atlantic.

"It was in this very year of 1666 that tidings began to spread through New England of the founding of another colony down in the southwest, between the great North and South Rivers, where settlers were welcome, the Indians friendly, the soil and climate excellent, and civil and religious liberty guaranteed. Many people from all parts of the land of the Puritans migrated to this new country of the "Jerseys"; and about the year 1672 William Sutton also removed, and became a landholder under Berkley and Carteret. As Cape Cod was one of the few districts in New England where Quakerism gained a footing, and as William Sutton in his New Jersey home was an influential Quaker, it is very probable that matters of religious belief had much to do with his departure from Eastham.

"In the year 1666 a "plantation" of some 40,000 acres was laid out upon the banks of the Raritan, within the bounds of the present Middlesex County, and not far from the spot where a few years later New Brunswick was founded. Its possession was confirmed not only by the white man's title, but by deed from Canackawack and Thingorawis, chiefs of the Naraticong Indians, who were a branch of the LenniLenape. As the settlers were mostly from those parts of New Hampshire and Maine which border the Piscataqua River, they called it Piscataqua or Piscataway, in memory of their old home. Here William Sutton pitched his tent, and prospered; for, thanks to fair dealings with the Indians, the wolves and the forest where the only enemies.

"In 1682, when the town and township numbered some 400 souls, he was owner of 249 acres of land, burdened only by the nominal quit-rent of 1/2 penny per acre annually. Small items of his life, grave orhumorous, we glean from the records of more than 2 centuries ago. A Quaker, he was a pillar of the congregation that met in the neighboring town of Woodbridge. We see him in a person of some honor in the little community; chosen freeholder at one time, constable at another, town-clerk at another, and we find that, with advancing years, his services were desired upon boards of church discipline and inquiry. It is recorded that he contributed "a year old steer" toward the proposed erection of the Friends' Meeting House at Woodbridge - a donation that seems to have been a thorn in the flesh of the finance committee. For two years they were unable to convert the animal into cash, and were obliged to board it during three winters at exorbitant rates, varying from 6 to 8 and 1/2 shillings per winter.

"The growth of sons to man's estate and matrimony is marked in the records by such entries as this:

"William Sutton hath, in consideration of fatherly love and affection, given and granted to Daniel Sutton, his son, 75 acres of land.

"Finally, in 1713, William is spoken of as an aged man, and we hear of him no more. Doubtless another year or two brought the end of his homely and laborious life, and rest in the little Quaker Churchyard at Woodbridge. Damaris Bishop, first wife of William Sutton, died in Piscataway, February 6, 1682. He married, in that town, Jane Barnes, January 9, 1684 or 1685" [12]

New England Historic Genealogical Register, Volume 91, January 1937

"John Sutton, who settled in Hingham, came from Attleborough, in Norfolkshire, arriving in the ship Diligent in 1638, with his wife Julien, a son John, and three other children. He also lived in Rehoboth. He died apparently about 1652; his wife in 1672. From "Vital Records of Rehoboth" the present writer infers that among his children where three, named Esther, Anne, and Margaret

"George Sutton, of Scituate, arrived in 1638. He had a brother Simon, of Scituate, of whom nothing further is known. George married Sarah Tilden, and had children (according to Savage), John, Lydia, Sarah, and Elizabeth. return

"Richard Bishop is noted as a soldier of the colony, in the "Geneological Register of New England", vol. iv., page 255, second column. When William Sutton removed to New Jersey, Bishop sold his property at Duxbury, Mass., and came to live with him.

"William of Scituate and Eastham, and of Piscataway, N.J., Quaker, b. about 1641; d. 28 of 4m. 1718; m. (1) at Eastham, on Cape Cod, 11 July 1666, Damaris Bishop, d. 6 Feb. 1682/3, daughter of Richard and Alice (Martin) (Clark) Bishop; m. (2) Jane Barnes, daughter of James Barnes. William Sutton first appears at Barnstable, on Cape Cod, where, on 5 June 1666, he was haled into court and fined for purloining the Bible from the meeting house, "one pound and for telling a lye about the same, ten shillings." His departure from the town was probably expedited by these occurrences, and a few weeks later, at the neighboring settlement of Eastham, he took refuge in matrimony with Damaris Bishop. They had ten children, the first three born in Eastham, and the rest born in Piscataway." [13]

Outlaw Genealogy by Albert Timothy Outlaw & Arnie Henry Outlaw

". . . he [William Sutton] lived in Eastham from 1666 to Oct 1671. . . . He went west to NJ about 1672 or 1673. The quest of religious freedom was perhaps the reason for his removal, since in the NJ Colony he was an influential Quaker. On or near the Raritan River, not far from the present town of New Brunswick, William Sutton settled and prospered. Known for his fair dealing with the Indians, the wolves and forest were his only enemies. In 1682 he was the owner of 249 acres if land. He held the office of freeholder constable and town clerk. In 1713 he was spoken of as an aged man and he was buried in the Quaker churchyard in Woodbridge." [14]

William Nelson, Ed. Patents and Deeds and other early records of New Jersey, 1664-1703

"1685-6 Feb. 17. Patent to William Suttone of Piscataway, for several small parcels, vizt: 1. a houselot of 22 acres, bounded E by Timothy Caute, W by a road, N and S by small brooks; 2. 19 acres of upland, bounded S by a road, N by a small brook, W by Thomas Farnsworth. E by George Wingfield; 3. 79 acres of upland, bounded SW by Doctor Henry Greenland, NE by Michael Symones, NW by Daniel Leoington, SE by a small brook; 4. 4 acres of meadow,bounded S by James Godfrey, N by Vincent Rognion and Nicholas Munday, E by Richard Smith, W by Robert Gannett and Peter Bellew."

"1687 March 25. Patent to William Suttone of Piscataway, for 125 acres there, 25 being due to his wife Jane as headland, the other 100 acres being granted to W. S. as an old settler; all bounded S by Edward Dunhame, E by John Randolph, N and W by unsurveyed land."

"List of Judges and Assistants of Middlesex County Courts of Common Pleas and Quarter Secession (1683-1736)) 1685/6 - Feb.17." [15]

"William Sutton was a Quaker and living most of his life as a farmer, he was recognized as an outstanding member of the community."

New Jersey Archives, vol XXI

"Patent to William Suttone of Piscataway" for several small parcels of land.

"1685 - March 25. Patent to William Suttone of Piscataway for 125 acres: 25 thereof being due to his wife, Jane, as headland, the other 100 acres being granted to William Suttone as an old settler."

"1693 - Aug 28. William Sutton, constable of Piscataway gives return for the election of a Representative in place of Hopewell Hull, deceased."

"1697 - March 10. Confirmation of 21 persons including William Sutton, Thomas Sutton, Judah Sutton, all of Piscataway for a small tract of meadow." [7]

Notes

Research Notes on Parents

The Sutton DNA Project is a Y-DNA project on Family Tree DNA. Their aim is to identify all the various Sutton family lines, link those that match, and prove/disprove our genealogy theories. By looking at the Y-DNA of male Sutton descendants, they have discovered that the descendants of George Sutton are members of Y-Haplogroup I. The descendants of William Sutton are haplogroup R1b. If correct, this would mean that they are not father and son but of completely different paternal lines (so they would not even be a nephew/cousin connected through the paternal Sutton line.) There is ongoing discusssion of the reliability fo these reults in the G2G thread linked in the upper right of the profile page.

The idea that William was George’s son was apparently first suggested by a William A Whitcomb of Boston in 1933, according to EFH Sutton. The research was referred to in handwritten notes by EFH Sutton. The notes were made in or after 1937 in his own copy of his book, “Genealogical Notes of the Sutton Family of New Jersey” which is an account of the descendants of William. [12]

When he first published the book in 1900, EFHS suggested that “Their proximity suggests a relationship to one or the other of two families of Suttons, respectively, of Hingham and Scituate… Careful investigation, however, has failed yet to establish a connection with either, or to suggest another line of research.”

In 1934, Ora Monnette, a Piscataway historian, wrote in ‘"First Settlers of Ye Plantations of Piscataway and Woodbridge, Olde East New Jersey” that William was “one of the seven sons of John Sutton who came from Attleborough, Eng., in 1639,, and settled at Hingham…” [16] EFH Sutton, in those handwritten notes I mentioned earlier, ripped that apart. He stated it was without authority, suggesting Monnette accepted bad info from a “subscriber” without doing due diligence.

He referred to the research done in 1933 by William A Whitcomb of Boston (a Sutton descendant) and stated it showed that “in all probability William Sutton was a son of George Sutton of Scituate.” He offers no information for what authority Mr. Whitcomb based his conclusion. The article can be seen in the (New England Historic Genealogical Society Register, Jan 1937) [17] He goes on to acknowledge that the birth entries for Daniel & William are considered “lost.” McCollough-423 14:38, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Sources

  1. George Sutton Descendants website.
  2. Belinda Melton Hughes, "BJ Hughes family genealogy website" , The Sutton Lineage Page 1, Generation 3, Children of George Sutton & Sarah Tilden
  3. Piscataway Birth Records, in Proceedings of the New Jersey Historical Society, Third Series, Vol. 3, p. 16.
  4. CHILDREN, published in "Genealogical notes of the Sutton family of New Jersey" by Sutton, E. F. (Edward Forrester), b. 1874; Publication date 1900; Publisher New York : T.A. Wright; Contributor Boston Public Library; Language English; 122 Pages; Available online at Archive.org, (https://archive.org/details/genealogicalnote00sutt/page/n21/mode/2up) Page 22 (doc page 10). Accessed by Scheffer-943.
  5. ‪“Contributions to the Early History of Perth Amboy and Adjoining Country” by William Adee Whitehead : D Appleton Company, NY 1856 p 403 Digital Copy at Archives.org
  6. Descendants of Founders of New Jersey website
  7. 7.0 7.1 William Nelson, Ed. Patents and Deeds and other early records of New Jersey, 1664-1703, 1976 Reprint by Genealogical Publishing Company from Archives of the State of New Jersey, First Series, Vol XXI:, Page 75 of Reprint from Page 285 of East Jersey Deeds, etc., Liber "A", Page 98 of reprint from Page 95 of East Jersey Deeds, etc., Liber "B"
  8. “Anderson, Schofeld, Pennypacker, Yocum, Crawford, Sutton, Lane, Richardson, Bevan, Aubrey, Bartholomew, DeHaven, Walker Families” by Isaac C Sutton : Stephenson Brothers, Philadelphia 1948 p 105 Digital Copy at Archives.org
  9. (Lib H, P. 92) (Calendar of Wills, Vol XXXIII). Page 418 https://ia802700.us.archive.org/27/items/calendarofnewjer03newj/calendarofnewjer03newj.pdf
  10. Vail, Hugh D. Register of Marriages, Births and Deaths taken from the Records of Rahway and Plainfield monthly meeting of the Society of Friends formerly held at Amboy and Woodbridge, N.J. 1687-1871; Department of Friends’ Records; Philadelphia. PA; Page131
  11. Memorial: Find a Grave (has image)
    Find A Grave: Memorial #9255901 (accessed 15 November 2022)
    Memorial page for William Tilden Sutton (1641-28 Jun 1718), citing Little Quaker Churchyard, Woodbridge, Middlesex County, New Jersey, USA; Maintained by LookingForFamily (contributor 47127361).
  12. 12.0 12.1 Sutton, Edward F.H. "Genealogical Notes of the Sutton Family of New Jersey", published in 1900. The entire book is available online. Here and Here (handwritten notes included)
  13. New England Historic Genealogical Register Vol 91, Date: Jan 1937 -
  14. Outlaw Genealogy, Albert Timothy Outlaw & Arnie Henry Outlaw, Citation post date: 2006-06-08
  15. *List of Judges and Assistants of Middlesex County Courts of Common Pleas and Quarter Secession (1683-1736)) 1685/6 - Feb.17, Citation post date: 2006-06-08
  16. ’’’Orra Eugene Monnette,’’’ ‘"First Settlers of Ye Plantations of Piscataway and Woodbridge, Olde East New Jersey, 1664-1714, A Period of Fifty Years,"’ Part Six; 6:1227, (Los Angeles: The Leroy Carman Press, 1934)
  17. French, Howard Dakin. Sutton Family: Compiled for William Arthur Whitcomb of Dedham, Mass. New England Historical and Genealogical Register. (New England Historic Genealogical Society, Jan 1937)

See also

  • Bancroft's "History of The United States", Vol. 1, page 468.
  • Ancestry of Sutton and Ratliff from Harrison Country, Missouri, Kevin Sutton, contact, database: k_l_sutton, Citation post date: 2007-02-27
  • R. Ulmer, "Ulmer Ancestry", Online website, Dead geocities LInk, Citation post date: 2006-06-08

Acknowledgements

  • This person was created on 19 March 2011 through the import of KRH Family Tree_2010-12-30.ged.

Research Notes

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c1693 Wm Sutton contributes a year-old steer toward erection of Friends Meeting House in Woodbridge. For over 2 years it cannot be converted to cash and must be boarded at exorbitant rates: 6 to 8 1/2 shillings per winter for 3 winters.

Sutton, Edward Forrester • “Genealogical Notes of the Sutton Family of New Jersey” : T A Wright, New York 1900 p 9

https://archive.org/details/genealogicalnote00sutt/page/9/mode/1up?view=theater

posted by John Smith MD
edited by John Smith MD
John, thanks for this information. Some of what you are posting in the comments here is already in the biography above but I realized it was hard to see what was all there. I just worked a bit on reorganizing it and formatting it so it is easier to see what is there and will go through your comments and add any information and sources that are missing (like that very interesting tidbit about Richard Sutton being given to another couple! I'm looking for the primary source for that.)
posted by Kathryn McCollough
edited by Kathryn McCollough
“Anderson, Schofeld, Pennypacker, Yocum, Crawford, Sutton, Lane, Richardson, Bevan, Aubrey, Bartholomew, DeHaven, Walker Families” by Isaac C Sutton : Stephenson Brothers, Philadelphia 1948 p 105

https://archive.org/stream/notesoffamilyhis00sutt/notesoffamilyhis00sutt_djvu.t

An original grant from the proprietors of Eastern New Jersey was made to William Sutton on 17 Feb 1685, of a house and lot of twenty-two acres in Piscataway Township, and on 20 Mar 1687 they conveyed to him 125 acres in the bounds of the town of Piscataway, twenty-five acres of which was to Jane, his wife. William Sutton was a pillar of the Quaker Meeting at Woodbridge near Piscataway, and was constable and town clerk. The old Sutton farm lies on Sutton Lane, across the river from New Brunswick, in Piscataway Township, and a number of Suttons are buried in Piscataway town, in the old St James Episcopal Church graveyard. The Township of Piscataway was settled by families from New England, mostly from Piscataqua (Great Deer River) New Hampshire. It was chartered in 1666 as "Piscataway and Woodbridge, Olde New Jersey" and contained 40,000 acres. William married Damaris Bishop in 1666, who died in 1682; and on 03 Jan 1683, he took, as his second wife, Jane Barnes. His children by Damaris were Alice 5/13/68; Thomas 11/11/69 m Mary Adams; Mary 10/4/71 m Daniel Mc Daniel; John 4/20/74; Judah 1/24/75; Richard 7/18/76; Joseph 7/2/78 (d 82); Benjamin 2/20/79 (d 82); Daniel 2/25/80 and, child of Jane, Joseph 9/11/93. Damaris was the daughter of Richard Bishop, who married, 05 Dec 1644, Alice Martin (1619-1648).

posted by John Smith MD
edited by John Smith MD
‪“Contributions to the Early History of Perth Amboy and Adjoining Country” by William Adee Whitehead : D Appleton Company, NY 1856 p 403

On the 25th Nov 1682, William Sutton voluntarily gives his son Richard to James and Elizabeth Giles, until he shall be 21 — they agreeing to do for him "as for their own." https://archive.org/details/contributionstoe00whit/page/402/mode/2up

posted by John Smith MD
”Proceedings of the NJ Historical Society” Vol IV by Joseph F Folsom, Editor : Edison, NJ 1919 Vol IV pp 40, 43

Death Damaris, wife of Wm Sutton - 06 Feb 1682/3 https://archive.org/details/proceedingsofnew04newj_0/page/40/mode/1up

Marriage Sutton, William to Jane Barnes - 03 Jan 1683/4 https://archive.org/details/proceedingsofnew04newj_0/page/43/mode/1up

posted by John Smith MD
William Sutton (ca 1641-28 Apr 1718), first record of whom is at Barnstable, Cape Cod where on 05 Jun 1666, he was haled into court and fined “for purloining the Bible from the meeting house one pound and for telling a lye about the same ten shillings;” married 11 Jul 1666, at Eastham, Cape Cod as his first wife, Damaris Bishop (1644/8-06 Feb 1682/3). Damaris was a daughter of Richard Bishop of Plymouth, Mass who married 05 Dec 1644, Alice Martin who was hanged for alleged witchcraft (infanticide) in 1648. William Sutton married (2) 03 Jan 1684/5 Jane Barnes, daughter of John Barnes. About 1672 William removed to New Jersey where he became a landholder, holding 249 acres by 1682. A Quaker, he became a pillar of the congregation that met in the neighboring town of Woodbridge serving on church boards of discipline and inquiry. By his first wife he had a son John.

"Andrew Mills and His Descendants, with Genealogies of Related Families" by Eva Mills Lee Taylor : Bethesda, MD 1944 pp 119, 120 https://archive.org/details/andrewmillshisde00tayl_0/page/119/mode/2up

posted by John Smith MD
William Sutton, who seems to have been an English Quaker, was at Eastham on Cape Cod in 1666; married in July of that year, Damaris Bishop. Later (before 1682) he came to Piscataway Township, Middlesex County, NJ and died after 1713. Sons were Thomas, John, Richard, Benjamin, Daniel and Joseph.

‘Somerset County Historical Quarterly’ Vol VI, edited by A Van Doren Honeyman, Plainfield NJ, Somerset County Historical Society Publishers, 1917 p 40 https://archive.org/details/somersetcountyhi06hone/page/n49/mode/1up?view=theater

posted by John Smith MD
Parents George Sutton (abt.1612-1669) and Sarah (Tilden) Sutton (1613-1677) were recently removed. In the spirit of our collaborative tree, it would be great if a G2G post is created discussing his parentage so that others have the opportunity to weigh in on this. His "parents" are both PGM project-managed profiles. There is some uncertainty about his origins, so a discussion may be helpful.
posted by S (Hill) Willson
Thank you. I started a G2G thread.
posted by Kathryn McCollough
Death Date: The death date of April 28, 1718 should be June 28, 1718 according to the calendar in use at that time.

Prior to 1752, Quakers used the Juliam Calendar and the year officially began on 25 March. (Dates would follow like this: 24 March 1717, 25 March 1718.) March was considered "First Month" so "Fourth Month" would be June.

So, the church records do not say "April" they say it is the 4th month, which, for them at that time would be June, not April.

There is a publication by The Library of the Society of Friends, London found at https://www.quaker.org.uk/documents/quaker-calendar-lib-guide-2018

posted by Kathryn McCollough
Please delete the currently listed parents (George and Sarah [Tilden] Sutton) and siblings listed for William. I was trying to find information to verify this relationship, and ended up corresponding with Joan Hudson, the manager for the Sutton DNA project. She told me that "George and William have entirely different genetic makeups." [ref: email in my possession].
posted by Christine Crawford
Wow! I'd love to know more about this, as a descendant of WIlliam. What does she know of the "DNA makeups" of each that might help us to verify the information and to also start looking in the right direction for WIlliam's ancestry? If you are not comfortable sharing the e-mail, I understand. I can search for Joan's contact info.
posted by Kathryn McCollough
Joan responded:


George Sutton is Haplogroup I and William Sutton is R1b.

The paternal Y-DNA public results chart is available at: https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Sutton?iframe=yresults

But, it does not contain ancestral information that is available only to project members.

posted by Christine Crawford
Thank you for the information, ChristineI have looked for the Sutton group but never found it on FTDNA. But I think it is only a Y DNA group and I only have autosomal. The Sutton connection is also not in my maternal direct line, so Mitochondrial wouldn;t be helpful either. Is that correct?
posted by Kathryn McCollough
Hi, Kate,

No, if he's not in your direct maternal line, mitochondrial DNA won't help, and you don't have a Y chromosome. So autosomal matches are your only hope--or someone finding a document that proves his parents!

posted by Christine Crawford
Does anyone know where the birth data of 25 May 1641 in Scituate, Plymouth County, Massachusetts came from? It appears to have been in the original GEDCOM that was uploaded to create this profile, but I am unaware of any known birth record for William.
posted by Kathryn McCollough
There is a copy of "Genealogical Notes of the Sutton Family of New Jersey" with additional hand written notes and extra handwritten pages by the author. He places his initials (E.F.H.S) on the extra pages and the additions which update and expand on the original publication. The handwriting is the same as those in the copy included above in the sources section but the notes are different. One of the notes has a date of 1935 next to the initials. The copy with the more extensive notes and added pages is available at: Ancestry.com. Genealogical notes of the Sutton family of New Jersey [database on-line]. https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/24828/ Original data: Sutton, E. F.. Genealogical notes of the Sutton family of New Jersey. New York: T.A. Wright, 1900.

Also, The Sutton Family History http://www.suttonfamilyhome.com/williamsutton.html referenced above either no longer exists or has changed its URL.

posted by Marie Friederichs
edited by Marie Friederichs
Sutton-11816 and Sutton-79 appear to represent the same person because: See comment in Sutton-11816; this eliminates an unknown parent who was mistakenly identified as Sutton-79.
posted by Raymond Watts PhD
Thomas Sutton, who built a home about 1710 in Rye, Westchester, NY, is unlikely to be descended from the Suttons of Scituate, MA. His father's name was William, but that father was not Sutton-79. To break the mistaken connection, I have edited this profile so that it can be merged with Sutton-79, effectively deleting Thomas' erroneous (and unknown) father until his identity can be established.
posted on Sutton-11816 (merged) by Raymond Watts PhD
Sutton-79 and Sutton-11816 do not represent the same person because: 1. Different birth dates

2. Different death dates and place of death. 3. Sutton-79 had no children named Thomas as shown by the profile picture.

posted on Sutton-11816 (merged) by Marietta Oliver
Sutton-11816 and Sutton-79 appear to represent the same person because: Same wife & partial match of children. No other data conflict. Same person.`
posted by Raymond Watts PhD
I noticed that the merger of Sutton-11816 and Sutton-79 is pending. Looking at the only quoted source for Sutton-11816, New England Historical and Genealogical Register, vol 7, p 280, that source quoting marriage 07/01/1666 and birth of three children - Alice 03/13/1668, Thomas 11/11/1669, and Marah (Mary?) 10/04/1671. So I wonder what needs to be further clarified? Since wikitree does not allow us to delete Sutton-11816, either the merge should go ahead OR failing that action, Sutton-11816 needs to have connection to Demais Bishop removed and be left an unlinked profile.
posted on Sutton-11816 (merged) by James Bogart
I agree. Name of wife is same on both profiles. Names of children overlap. Uncertain dates in Sutton-11816 are not in conflict with dates in Sutton-79. These profiles are ready to merge, and I deleted the old rejected match and started a new merge. I am not on the trusted list for Sutton-79, so those profile managers need to finish the merge. Thank you for the reminder, James, my attention has been elsewhere for awhile.
posted on Sutton-11816 (merged) by Raymond Watts PhD
I think these are the same person. We could complete the merge and then do some work on sutton-79, checking back to original sources rather than rootsweb, which itself may contain errors.
posted on Sutton-11816 (merged) by Raymond Watts PhD
Sutton-79 and Sutton-11816 are not ready to be merged because: Need more references. Dates do not confirm with http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~colonialfamiliestonewjersey/genealogy/sutton/d0/i0000624.htm
posted on Sutton-11816 (merged) by Linda (Emery) Bro
Sutton-79 and Sutton-11816 appear to represent the same person because: Married to the same wife
posted on Sutton-11816 (merged) by Catherine (Willhite) V
I will replace the Quakers category with New Jersey Quakers...I found that William Sutton record found at the New Jersey Quaker Meeting:

Name: William Sutton Death Date: 28 Jun 1718 Death Date on Image: 28 Fourth 1718 Death Place: Woodbridge Event Type: Death Monthly Meeting: Rahway and Plainfield Monthly Meetings Historical Meeting Data: Search for this monthly meeting in the 'Quaker Monthly Meetings Index' Yearly Meeting: Philadelphia Yearly Meeting Meeting State: New Jersey Meeting County: Union

posted by Linda (Emery) Bro
Hi profile managers, I’m working with the Quaker Project to remove individuals from the general category Quakers, not used on individual profiles. Do you know which specific Monthly Meetings Wm. Sutton attended? If not, could you please replace the Quakers category with New Jersey Quakers? You can also add the
William was a Friend (Quaker)
if you’d like to. Thanks.
Sutton-551 and Sutton-79 appear to represent the same person because: Sutton-551 and Sutton-79 appear to represent the same person because: Same Birth date, same spouse.
posted by Marietta Oliver
Sutton-8287 and Sutton-79 appear to represent the same person because: identical names, dates
posted by Linda (Emery) Bro
Sutton-5290 and Sutton-79 appear to represent the same person because: Clear duplicate. The data in 79 is sourced, 5290 is not.
posted by Carolyn Adams
Deleting incorrect father of WIlliam. Initiating merge with the real William.
posted by Carolyn Adams