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Elizabeth (Talbot) Grey (abt. 1355 - 1402)

Elizabeth Grey formerly Talbot
Born about in Herefordshire, Englandmap [uncertain]
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Wife of — married about 1370 in Herefordshire, Englandmap [uncertain]
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Died at about age 47 in Englandmap
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Biography

Elizabeth Talbot was the daughter of Gilbert Talbot, knight, 3rd Lord Talbot, by his first wife Pernel, daughter of James le Boteler, 1st Earl of Ormond.[1][2]

Her year of birth is unknown and is estimated as c 1355.[2]

She married Henry de Grey, knight, about 4 May 1370.[1][2][3][4]

In the Grey pedigree in the Visitation of Leicester[5] she was noted as Elizabeth Talbot, daughter of 'Thomas Talbot'. She was the wife of Henry Grey of Wilton, son of Reginald Grey.

Cox[6] in discussing a monument to Henry Grey in the church of Shirland, Derbyshire, referred to the wife of Henry Grey as Elizabeth, daughter of 'Thomas' Lord Talbot.

In 1370 Gilbert Talbot, knight, Lord of of Eccleswall, owed a debt to Reginald de Grey, knight, of Wilton.[7]

Her husband Henry Grey, Knight, died in 1396 and Elizabeth was noted in his Inquisition Post Mortem.[8] His heir was his son Richard, aged 3.

Children

  • Margaret Grey, married john Darcy, 5th Lord Darcy of Knaith[2][9] and Sir Thomas Swynford[1]
  • Richard Grey, Knt, 6th Lord Grey of Wilton[1][2][4][8][10]

The following children were also noted by Richardson[1] but not by Verity[2]:

  • Geoffrey Grey, Esq.[4]
  • Pernel Grey (wife of Gerard Braybrooke, Knt)[11]

Inquisition Post Mortem of Elizabeth Grey 1402

A number of writs were issued in February and March 1401/1402 concerning the Inquisition of "Elizabeth the widow of Henry Grey of Wilton". The following were recorded: "She died on 9 Jan. 1402. Richard her son and heir is aged 12 years and more"; and "she died on 10 Jan. Richard her son and heir is aged 10 years and more."[10][12]

Research Notes

There had been some doubt as to the origins of Elizabeth, wife of Henry Grey, 5th Lord Grey of Wilton[13] but this now appears to be resolved.[1][2]

Sources

  1. 1.0 1.1 1.2 1.3 1.4 1.5 Douglas Richardson. Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 5 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham. (Salt Lake City, UT: the author, 2013), vol. V, page 372, WILTON 11, Henry de Grey.
  2. 2.0 2.1 2.2 2.3 2.4 2.5 2.6 Verity B (2016) Descendants to the Third Generation of Eleanor, Countess of Ormond (c.1310-1363). Foundations (2016) 8: pp 75-89.
  3. The Complete Peerage. Vol. VI. Gordon to Hurstpierpoint. London, 1926. Grey p 177 family search.
  4. 4.0 4.1 4.2 The Visitation of Herefordshire 1569. Weaver F W (Ed.), 1886. Gray Pedigree p 88 Archive.org.
  5. The Visitation of the County of Leicester in the year 1619. Publications of the Harleian Society Vol II., 1870. Grey pedigree, pp 74-75 Archive.org.
  6. Cox, J C. Notes on the Churches of Derbyshire. Vol. I, 1875, pp 333-335 Archive.org.
  7. Debtor: Gilbert Talbot, knight, lord of Eccleswall {Eccleswell} [held Eccleswall in Greytree Hundred, and Credenhill in Grimsworth Hundred, and Archenfield, Herefords.]. Creditor: Reginald de Grey, knight, lord of Wilton {super Weyam} [Wormelow Hundred, Herefords.]. Amount: 900m. Before whom: John ....... Mayor of Nottingham; William de Finderne, Clerk. When taken: 04/05/1370 First term: 29/09/1370 Last term: 29/09/1370 Writ to: Sheriff of Notts., and Derbys Sent by: John de Crowshawe, Mayor of Nottingham; Walter de Askeby, Clerk. Endorsement: Buk' coram Justic' de Banco in xv Pasche anno quinto R' infrascripti. 1378 Feb 20. C 241/163/2. National Archives.
  8. 8.0 8.1 M. C. B. Dawes, H. C. Johnson, M. M. Condon, C. A. Cook and H. E. Jones, 'Inquisitions Post Mortem, Richard II, File 88', in Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem, Volume 17, Richard II (London, 1988), pp 250-254. Items 641-655 BHO.
  9. The Complete Peerage. Vol. IV. Dacre to Dysart. London, 1916. Grey pp 63-65 Archive.org.
  10. 10.0 10.1 J. L. Kirby, 'Inquisitions Post Mortem, Henry IV, Entries 567-619', in Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem: Volume 18, Henry IV (London, 1987), pp. 187-203. Items 614-619 BHO.
  11. Brabrook, E W. The will of Sir Gerard de Braybroke, of Danbury, Knt., A.D. 1429. Miscelleanea Genealogica et Heraldica. New Series, Vol II, 1877, pp 61-72 Archive.org.
  12. Elizabeth widow of Henry Grey of Wilton. E-CIPM 18-615 Mapping the Medieval Countryside.
  13. Soc Gen Medieval, 2006 google group.

See also

  • FMG: Grey
  • Blore. History and Antiquities of Rutland. Vol. 1(2), 1811, p 164 Grey of Wilton Pedigree [not seen]




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Elizabeth should be attached as the daughter of Gilbert Talbot and Pernel Butler and LNAB changed to Talbot per Richardson and Verity. Any objections?
posted on Unknown-417014 (merged) by Traci Thiessen
edited by Traci Thiessen
According to www.thepeerage.com she is the daughter of Gilbert Talbot. My records show his wife as Petronilla Butler. Peerage quotes this source: BP2003 volume 2, page 1665. (Burke's)
posted on Unknown-417014 (merged) by Glenn Kittredge

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