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Jasper Taylor (1684)

Jasper Taylor
Born in Barnstable, Plymouth Colonymap
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Biography

Jasper was born in 1684 in Barnstable, Massachusetts, the son of Jasper Taylor and Hannah Fitz Randolph.[1] [2] No further record. See research notes below.

Research notes

Jasper is often confused with another Jasper/Jasher Taylor born about the same time who was the son of Richard Taylor and Hannah (maiden name unknown) of Yarmouth and who married Experience Cobb and died 31 Oct 1752[3]. See their profiles for supporting evidence connecting them as family members. (Note that for the other Jasper, his parents are also often confused with the couple Richard Taylor and Hannah Rice of Sudbury.)

  • TO RESOLVE: Barnstable Vital Records claims that the man who married Experience Cobb 18 Feb 1713/4 was Jasper Taylor son of Jasper Taylor and Hannah FitzRandolph.[4][5]

The original marriage records for Jasper Taylor and Experience Cobb do not identify the parents of either spouse.[6] The published records of volume 1 were annotated with parenthetical comments by later compilers as explained on its first page. On the published family record for Jasper Taylor and Hannah FitzRandolph's list of children, a later compiler added that their son Jasper, born 1684, was he who married Experience Cobb in 1713. But that is not accurate. Probate records clearly demonstrate that the Jasher who married Experience was son of Richard and Hannah, not of Jasper and Hannah.

Sources

  1. Christian, Louise Aymar and Howard Stelle Fitz Randolph. (1955). The Descendants of Edward Fitz Randolph and Elizabeth Blossom 1630-1950, and Supplement 1955. Copies, Historical Library, Grand Av., Des Moines and Iowa Historical Society Library, Iowa City.
  2. "Massachusetts, Town Clerk, Vital and Town Records, 1626-2001," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-8979-HN2?cc=2061550&wc=Q4DH-G5S%3A353349701%2C353366701%2C1005976002 : 13 July 2016), Barnstable > Barnstable > Town records 1640-1774 vol 1-2 > image 250 of 663; citing Massachusetts Secretary of the Commonwealth, Boston./ref> No further record. NOTE: Both of these sources are derivative, the second being an 1895 handwritten copy of records which were probably themselves a copy made in 1819. We seek an original record that confirms that Jasper Taylor and Hannah FitzRandolph had a son named Jasper.
  3. Yarmouth Vital Records, Volume 2, p 818.
  4. Massachusetts Vital Records (database), NEHGS (americanancestors.org - membership required), Barnstable, vol 1, p 63
  5. [https://archive.org/stream/barnstabletownre01bcjohn#page/n263/mode/2up Barnstable Town Records, volume I, part B, p. 384: Names only "Jasper" no parents.
  6. Yarmouth Vital Records, volume 1, not published or digitizes as of Jan 2023
  • Louise Aymar Christian and Howard Stelle Fitz Randolph. (1950). Fitz Randolph Genealogy: The Descendants of Edward Fitz Randolph and Elizabeth Blossom: 1630-1950. 222 pp.
Page: 6
Entry no.: 3.vii.
Name: Jasper
Birth date: 29 Apr 1684
Birthplace: Barnstable, Mass
Father name: Jasper Taylor
Mother name: Hannah Fitz Randolph

Birth

  • Legacy NFS Source: JASPER TAYLER - birth: 29 April 1684; Barnstable, Barnstable, Massachusetts, United States
  • Baptism: "Massachusetts Births and Christenings, 1639-1915"
    citing FHL microfilm: 191968;
    FamilySearch Record: FZD1-T2B (accessed 20 January 2023)
    Jasper Tayler baptism on 29 Apr 1684, son of Jasper Tayler & Hannah Fittsrandle, in Barnstable, Plymouth.
Name: Jasper Tayler
Event Type: Christening
Event Date: 29 Apr 1684
Event Place: Barnstable, Plymouth, British Colonial America
Event Place (Original): Barnstable, Barnstable, Massachusetts, United States
Sex: Male
Father's Name: Jasper Tayler
Mother's Name: Hannah Fittsrandle

Acknowledgements

Thanks to John Putnam who created this profile 12 Oct 2011 from Putnam2-1_2010-01-02_2011-02-16_2011-10-11.ged.





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Thomas and John,

Something has recently been brought to my attention that leads me to question the identity of this Jasher Taylor's parents. Namely the 1755 will of Isaac Taylor (abt.1683-1755). The will names siblings that are known to be children of Richard Taylor (1652-1732) and Hannah. This same will names the children of Isaac Taylor's brother Jasher; those children match the children of THIS Jasher Taylor and Experience Cobb.

That then suggests that this Jasher was not son of Jasper and Hannah, but of Richard and Hannah.

Thoughts?

posted by Jillaine Smith
Suggest we divide the record into two:

1. Jasper, son of Jasper and Hannah Fitz Randolph, b. Apr 1684 supported by the christening record, Fitz Randolph genealogies, noting that one genealogy cites his wife as Experience Cobb, but needs to be confirmed (assuming that the Fitz Randolph genealogies might have confused Experience as the wife of their Jasper) 2.Capt Jasper, son of Richard and Hannah, b. 1685, supported by the evidence you and Ronald Reed (see his note further below) cite, and for now linked to Experience Cobb and their children. We can adapt the other profile you proposed for merging for this purpose. Would that work for now? It seems to resolve this, we need to look again at the reference cited in this profile: "Barnstable Vital Records claims that the man who married Experience Cobb 18 Feb 1713/4 was Jasper Taylor the son of Jasper Taylor and Hannah FitzRandolph.[4][5] Sources 4 Massachusetts Vital Records (database), NEHGS (americanancestors.org - membership required), Barnstable, vol 1, p 63 5 [https://archive.org/stream/barnstabletownre01bcjohn#page/n263/mode/2up Barnstable Town Records, volume I, part B, p. 384: Names only "Jasper" no parents." Jillaine: do you have a membership to NEHGS and can check that source?

posted by Thomas Randolph
edited by Thomas Randolph
Thanks, Thomas.

Unfortunately, I had to relinquish my NEHGS membership and no longer have access, but I know people who still have it.

EDITED TO ADD: In the meantime, I will do as you suggest and use that duplicate to serve as son of Richard and Hannah of Yarmouth.

posted by Jillaine Smith
edited by Jillaine Smith
Thanks Jillaine, would certainly appreciate you following up with someone with NEGHS membership to get the details of the reference claiming the Experience connected to Jasper son of Jasper!
posted by Thomas Randolph
Initial response from my NEHGS contact:

Jasper Tayler & Experience Cob married 18 Fe 1713 , Justice Petr Thacher . Src:Massachusetts: Vital Records, 1620-1850 (Online Database: AmericanAncestors.org, New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2001-2016). ie. Barnstable VR p.64. cites 1:384 of original https://www.americanancestors.org/DB190/i/13885/64/248779726

Jasper Tayler & Hannah Fittsrandle married 6 Nov 1668 list of children including Their son Jasper b. 29 April 1684 " [m. Experience Cob Feb 18. 1713]" p. 63 of above source


NOTE that the association of Jasper and Hannah's son Jasper with the marriage record to Experience Cob was added in brackets; i.e., it was not part of the original record. Also, even what's being cited above is NOT an original record, but a transcription (from 1895, I think) of another record (which I also believe was an 1819 copy of the originals)...

I am also seeking to find the original 1684 birth record to confirm that Jasper and Hannah FR did indeed have a son named Jasper. Because I *think* that that birth record is the only evidence that they did so.

do you want to reformulate the above as an addition to the Research Note? Note also that one of this Jasper's siblings, Mercy, married Jonathan Wheldon -- same name as Richard Taylor's mother -- so more likely as a marriage within Richard Taylor's family . This puts into question the Fitz Randolph genealogy information about the children of Jasper and Hannah Fittsrandle.
posted by Thomas Randolph
I've edited the narrative.


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posted by Jillaine Smith
I just now read the history of comments below.

I did research published years ago by NEHGS about the early RIchard Taylors of Yarmouth because I was researching my husband's ancestors Richard Taylor and Hannah Rice of *Sudbury*. They'd been inaccurately conflated with Richard Taylor and Hannah _____ of *Yarmouth.* So it looks like Jasher who married Expeience Cobb was somewhere in time mis-connected to Richard and Hannah of Sudbury, when in actuality, as we're learning, he was son of Richard and Hannah of YARMOUTH.

posted by Jillaine Smith
I also see that as of this morning, the Find-a-Grave memorial has Jasper/Jasher (husband of Experience Cobb) correctly attached to Richard and Hannah of Yarmouth, but incorrectly identifies Hannah as Hannah Rice Ward Taylor (that Hannah was of Sudbury, not Yarmouth). I've submitted a suggested edit linking to relevant profiles (and their sources) here.

Okay, Thomas, are you okay with editing THIS profile to detach Experience as his wife, and his children over to the other Jasper/Jasher? it also requires removing his death data, which pertains to the other Jasher/Jasper.

What this leaves is "no further record" of Jasper/Jasher, son of Jasper Taylor and Hannah Fitz Randolph, after the son's birth. He is not mentioned in the 1718 administration of his father's estate. That administration names "sons" Seth Taylor and John Cooper (suggesting that one of the elder Jasper's daughters married a Cooper).

posted by Jillaine Smith
Yes, I made the change in FindAGrave, but had nothing to do with the Hannah Rice connection.

I have re-aligned Experience and children to be attached to the more recent profile Taylor-96178 m. Hannah LNU. Will also review whether Jasper's siblings are attached to the right profile, plus add a summary warning as a Research Note about the confusions with the Richard and Hannah Taylors

posted by Thomas Randolph
Taylor-96178 and Taylor-6516 appear to represent the same person because: Same vitals (both birth years are estimates). same Spouse.
posted by Jillaine Smith
Taylor-96178 and Taylor-6516 do not represent the same person because: Actually, we need to have two separate profiles. More details to come.
posted by Jillaine Smith
According to the book Taylor and Boardman family history, to see all 72 pages "X, 85, Henry Boardman Taylor" Jasher born 1684 is the son of Richard Taylor Jr and Hannah (possibly Rice) this Richard is the son of Richard (Rock) Taylor and Ruth Whelden. Richard and Ruth also had a son Jasher born 1659. Jasher and Experience also had a son Jasher born 1719 who married Thankful Sears. I think the biggest misconception is that many believe Richard Taylor Jr married Hannah Rice but records shows he married a Hannah LNU. Hannah Rice being the only child born in Yarmouth makes no sense though birth place can be wrong. The part of the Taylor family did leave Yarmouth and moved to Western Massachusetts.
posted by Charlotte (Howes) Robinson
edited by Charlotte (Howes) Robinson
Charlotte,

I'm catching up on all this. If you're following recent comments on this profile, you'll see that we've confirmed that the Jasher/Jasper Taylor who married Experience Cobb was indeed son of Richard Taylor (1652-1732) and Hannah Unknown (d 1733) [She was NOT Hannah Rice; different Richard-Hannah couple-- they lived in Sudbury, not Yarmouth].

This parentage for Jasher/Jasper is supported by:

  • 1725 will of father Richard which names his children, including a son Jasper and a daughter in law Experience
  • 1755 will of Isaac Taylor (known son of the above Richard) which names his brother Jasper's daughters; those daughter's names match the daughters of Jasper and Experience.
posted by Jillaine Smith
Taylor-69960 and Taylor-6516 appear to represent the same person because: identical dates, same wife and child
posted by Robin Lee
Ronald's comment below is persuasive.

Please complete the merge based on his impeccable deductive reasoning. It is sufficient. Because, it means, we have a conclusive primary source already.

posted by Isaac Taylor
Hi folks.

This bio says "others" say the husband of Experience Cobb was the son of Richard Taylor by Hannah Rice. (As opposed to Jasper by Hannah FitzRandolph.)

What others; what sources, exactly? No source listed here on the WikiTree bio...

posted by Isaac Taylor
Isaac, are you still around? Please see comments above, which provide far more definitive proof that Jasher/Jasper Taylor who married Experience Cobb was son of Richard Taylor and Hannah [but not Rice].
posted by Jillaine Smith
Could the profile managers remove the misleading mention of non-parents Richard Taylor by Hannah Rice from the bio text? They have already been disconnected in the structured database fields, so the profile bio is now contradicting our recent disconnection.
posted by Isaac Taylor
Does the first line of this profile say that this Jesher Taylor-6516 IS the son of Jasper Taylor-22833? Or is it saying that the Barnstable records "claiming" this are in error?
posted by Isaac Taylor
For parents brainstorming... aside from Richard Taylor of Sudbury, consider the children of John Taylor (b.1605-ish d. 1645) of Haverhill, Suffolk, who was lost at sea on the Phantom Ship.

The generation(s) in between could credibly be anywhere between Essex County, Mass; and New Haven, CT by 1685-- or anywhere up the Conn. river on the frontier. Anybody know that family group well? (Distant cousins of mine, only.)

John Taylor's widow Rhoda Tinker remarried Hoyt and Hobbs. I believe her sons with John Taylor included Capt. John Taylor 1601-1734 who was killed by Indians at Pascommuck, in western Mass; and Thomas Taylor 1643-1735 of Conn. I have not looked into their children but the timeline is OK for one of them to be the father of this man. There aren't THAT many Taylors running around in New England at that time...

Lastly, some of the names are common between those disconnected Taylor lines. I mean, beyond the then-trendy Thankfuls.

posted by Isaac Taylor
Certainly agreed that the information here relates to Jasper/Jasher son of Jasper: the only issue is whether there is an argument for keeping a profile for a Jasher son of Richard. Generally, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, but Richard's profile is managed by a seasoned genealogist and does not list Jaspher, so based on that, I am happy to merge and eliminate the suspected erroneous son of Richard.

When finalizing the merge, care needs to be taken to reverse the current order of the merge so that the earliest (lower number) profile survives.

posted by Thomas Randolph
Richard Taylor and Hannah Rice married 1677 in Sudbury. Hannah Rice was born in Sudbury. Richard Taylor was possibly from Concord or another town near Sudbury. The children listed in his probate record in Sudbury, does not include a Jasper, Jasher or any name similar. Most of this information can be found in Taylor-4635 and Rice-39.

Jasper Taylor born 29 April 1684 in Barnstable. (Record) https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-8979-HN2?i=249&cc=2061550 Same record shows his parents as Jasper Taylor and Hannah Fittsrantle (Fitz Randolph) with their marriage date of 6 Nov 1668. Experience Cob(b) born 8 June 1692 in Barnstable. (Record) https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-9979-HXW?i=261&cc=2061550 Married in Barnstable 18 Feb 1713. (Record) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q29G-PJTG Jasper and Elizabeth both died in Barnstable.

posted by Ronald Reed
Ronald, are you still around?

We've determined that a) there were two different Jasper/Jasher Taylors in Yarmouth, born in the 1680s (unless the transcribed copy of what you linked to is incorrect), AND that the Jasper/Jasher Taylor who married Experience Cobb was son of Richard Taylor and Hannah Unknown (not Rice) of YARMOUTH (different couple from Richard Taylor and Hannah Rice of SUDBURY). See comments above that cite probate records that prove the origins of Jasper/Jasher.

posted by Jillaine Smith
Perhaps best to hold off merging them until the different parents and discrepancies in dates can be resolved by someone (not me yet -- I haven't done credible research that far back yet)
posted by Thomas Randolph
Taylor-22883 and Taylor-6516 appear to represent the same person because: Transcription error/letter mis-identification from hand written records to typed records. The 4th hand written letter in his name is the same as the 2nd hand written letter in the month he was born. The same 4th letter is also the same as the 3rd hand written letter in his wife's name in their marriage listing. Therefore the letter has to be a "p" unless the 4th month is Ahril and his wife's name was Exherience.
posted by Ronald Reed

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