Died
at about age 70
in Blandford, Dorset, England
Problems/Questions
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Biography
According to Hutchin's (citing her inquisition post mortem) Joan Ryves died on 12th December 1560. [1]
Her will, was written on 4th December 1560 and probate was granted on 4th February 1560/1.
In her will, she made bequests:
for poor of many local parishes, and for the maintenance of the two bridges at each side of Blandford.
A bequest to her kinsman John Ryves mentioning the terms of his deceased father's will. (this bequest was therefore to her grandson )
To Richard Ryves and to Thomas Ryves, items of silver, a feather bed and bedding and other household items (again grandsons)
small monetary bequests were made;
to the children 'yet unmarried' of William Hunton (according to Hutchins married to a daughter of John Ryves and Joan )
to the unmarried children of John Swayne. ( According to Hutchins married to Agnes, daughter of Robert Ryves and Joan, )
to the unmarried children of Peter [Monsell?]
to the unmarried children of 'my daughter Margaret Marham begotten by Thomas Marham, late deceased'
To Robert Ryves ,(another grandson), Joan bequeathed the lands, rents, tenements, messuages, hereditaments, wheresoever they be with all manner of indenture... which she 'Johan Reve have purchased freely unto me and to my heirs'
In the event of Robert dying without lawfully begotten heirs, this part of her estate was to be inherited under the same terms in sequence, by Richard and then Thomas Ryves
In the event that all the males died without heirs, this inheritance would be divided amongst her daughters and their heirs.
Name has been changed to "Johan" as per her will. Have been unable to find anything to substantiate the name Maria or Juliana. There is no evidence or source given to support a birthplace in Southern France (Languedoc-Roussillon, France) . This birthplace has been removed.
The original profile appears to have named this lady as Maria Mores born in 1440.[3]
This couple do have Find A Grave memorials with no headstone - very rare for 16th Century! On one, a descendant has noted that her name was:
Lady Joan (Sewell) Ryves: 1490 - 12-12-1560. [4] Husband's memorial is linked. Another possibility for her LNAB is "Brune" or "de Brune" - noted on her FindAGrave memorial also. More research is needed. Robert Ryves is said to have been "one of the largest landowners in Dorset at his death in 1551."
Sources
↑ Hutchins, History and Antiquities of Dorset, 3rd revised edition, reprint 1973, Dorset Libraries, Vol 1V p96-97
↑ Will of Johan Reves, Widow of Blandford, Dorset, Probate date 04 February 1561 PROB 11/44/41 http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D980038. Also viewable on Ancestry.co.uk where indexed as 'John Reves' 4 February 1560, Blandeford, Dorset, England,
↑ Find a Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com : accessed 9 April 2020), memorial page for Joan Ryves (1490–12 Dec 1560), Find A Grave: Memorial #141510648, citing St Peter and St Paul Churchyard, Blandford Forum, North Dorset District, Dorset, England ; Maintained by Mary Ann Beil (contributor 47067853) .
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Could "Joan Ryves" be Swayne-34 unknown sibling? Time frame is close and they are both from Dorset, plus they have common ancestors: Aurther Beamish Bernard for one.
Unknown-205360 is known by her Christian name Joan or Johane not Maria. The profiles certainly have the same death date but where did it come from on this profile?
There is nothing to suggest that Joan was born in Languedoc-Roussillon (a modern name for an administrative region in Southern France used until June this year)
I haven't seen any evidence to support the idea that the Ryves of Blandford had recently come from France though I have a suggestion of where the idea may have come from.
The will of Robert Ryves seems to leave property in 'France' so perhaps he had lands there. However, The IPM on John Ryves, his heir(1623) mentions holding 'The manor of Nutford Lockley alias Fraunce'
Many of the records for that family use the name Reve and that is a relatively common name in England before that century.
Unknown-205360 and Morres-1 appear to represent the same person because: same spouse, same time frame, same location, my profile living 120 years, more likely 1490-1560. worth taking a look
This lady as Gene says can't have lived until she was 120. The date of death is the same as the probable date of death for Joan Ryves http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Unknown-205360
Since it is improbable that two ladies married to a Robert Ryves of Blandford died on the same day, I think that it should be removed.
Does anyone have any evidence for her (and her husband's) existence?
There is nothing to suggest that Joan was born in Languedoc-Roussillon (a modern name for an administrative region in Southern France used until June this year) I haven't seen any evidence to support the idea that the Ryves of Blandford had recently come from France though I have a suggestion of where the idea may have come from. The will of Robert Ryves seems to leave property in 'France' so perhaps he had lands there. However, The IPM on John Ryves, his heir(1623) mentions holding 'The manor of Nutford Lockley alias Fraunce' Many of the records for that family use the name Reve and that is a relatively common name in England before that century.
Since it is improbable that two ladies married to a Robert Ryves of Blandford died on the same day, I think that it should be removed.
Does anyone have any evidence for her (and her husband's) existence?
There is no parentage cited for this particular Mrs. Jane Ryves (on her marriage record) . Her maiden name is unknown.
http://interactive.ancestry.com/14192/dvm_GenMono000433-00053-1/100?backurl=&ssrc=&backlabel=Return#?imageId=dvm_GenMono000433-00053-0