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Alice (Unknown) Shaw (abt. 1604 - 1656)

Alice Shaw formerly [surname unknown]
Born about in Englandmap [uncertain]
Daughter of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
Wife of — married 1618 in Englandmap
Descendants descendants
Died at about age 52 in Plymouth Colonymap
Profile last modified | Created 21 Oct 2013
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No Evidence Surname is Phillips Although some genealogies show that Alice's last name is Phillips, this likely a confusion with the Alice, wife of John Shaw of Hallifax, England and Weymouth, MA. That John Shaw married Alice Phillips the daughter or Nicholas Phillips in Weymouth, (referred to Alice Shaw in his will). The Great Migration Begins refers to John Shaw of Plymouth's wife as "Alice_____ ."

Biography

Alice was the wife of John Shaw who immigrated from England to Plymouth in about 1627. The first known record of Alice appears to be an agreement signed by John and his wife Alice 3 Nov 1653 for Benjamin Savary (son of Thomas and Annis Savary) to live with them until he was twenty-one. Andersen estimates their marriage by this date (or by 1622 if Alice was the mother of his children.)

John Shaw of Middleborough is in the book: "John Shaw of Plymouth, Massachusetts, The descendants of John Shaw of Plymouth, Massachusetts" and his wife Alice UNKNOWN who died in 1654, by Margaret Johnson Drake (1972). From that book: [Their known] 4 children are (all born England?):

1. John Shaw b. 1622 England. (went to RI nothing known of him since)

2. Abigail Shaw b. 1624 England. d. 10/24/1694 ", m. 1643 Stephen Bryant. [The New England Historical and Genealogical Register ran a series on descendants of Stephen Bryant Abigail Shaw, beg. 153;434 - 1999

3. James Shaw b. 1626 England. d. 1679 Middleboro, MA, m. 12/24/1652 @ Plymouth, MA, Mary Mitchell, b. Plymouth, d/o Experience Mitchell Jane ____ . James Shaw settled in CT.

4. Deacon Jonathan Shaw b. about 1629 MA. d. Plymouth bef 7/30/1701 (will proved 9/25/1701), m. 1/22/1656/57 in Plymouth, Phebe Watson b. 1637 Plymouth, d/o of George Watson Phebe Hicks. He m. (2) Aug. 1683 in Plymouth, Persis (Dunham) Pratt, widow of Benajah Pratt, dau of Deacon John Dunham Abigail _____ (no ch. by 2d wife; she had ch. by Benajah)

Arrival to Plymouth was 1627 - According to New England, The Great Migration and The Great Migration Begins, 1620-1635

Alice, wife of John Shaw of Plymouth: The earliest known mention of a named wife for John Shaw of Plymouth occurs in a 1653 Plymouth Colony indenture which speaks of "John Shaw senior Inhabitant of the towne of New Plymouth and Alice Shaw his wife."

The identity of Alice, wife of John Shaw of Plymouth, is not known; though many genealogists identify her as Alice Philips, daughter of Nicolas Philips. If Alice Philips was the wife of John Shaw of Plymouth, then she was a second or third wife who was not the mother of his children. Evidence: All of the known children of John Shaw of Plymouth were already born by 1632; whereas Alice Philips, daughter of Nicolas Philips, was not herself born until about 1632.

Mar. 6, 1654, John Shaw's wife, Alice, died. In poor health John returned to England to die. On Jan. 30, 1663, a deed of gift was recorded in Plymouth whereby he distributed his land to his heirs. This deed reads as follows: "Know all men by these presents that I, John Shaw, of Plymouth in New England, Senior have and do by these presents give unto my son-in-law Stephen Bryant of Plymouth all that, my whole share of land allotted unto me near unto Namassaket both upland and meadow, with all and singular, the appurtenances there unto belonging to the said Stephen Bryant and his heirs and assigns forever. Also, I do give unto my son-in-law, Stephen Bryant, another portion of land called by the name of Rehoboth, which land was formerly granted unto me lying on the south-side of Smelt River according as it is bounded and set out with all appurtences there unto belong to the said Stephen Bryant, his heirs, etc. I do declare by these presents that I do give unto my son, James, one-half my purchase lands at Cushena and one-fourth to son Jonathan and one-fourth to Stephen Bryant. Me daughter, Abigail Bryant, my bed, etc., also my chest."

Research Notes

Abigail Sewell-5 removed as mother of Alice, as sources do not support her being the mother, and Phillips as an other last name. (Thomas-7679 02:03, 7 July 2018 (UTC))

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Regarding the statement, "In poor health John returned to England to die," there is in fact no record of John's death either in Massachusetts or in England, nor is there any evidence that John returned to England to die. John's son John Jr. did return to England and evidently died there. On 22nd March 1663/4, George Watson and John Shaw Sr. were granted lot 22 on Puncateesett Necke (Plymouth Town Records 1:67). This is the last time John Shaw is mentioned to be still living. In 1665, however, Henry Wood received land that was originally set out for John Shaw in "Middlebury" (Middleboro). This evidence indicates that John died some time after the land grant of 22 March 1663/4 but before Henry Wood received John's Middleboro land in 1665. On the location of John's death, Jonathan A. Shaw writes:

"The place of his death is unknown, but he almost certainly died in Plymouth Colony and probably at Plain Dealing, where his daughter Abigail and her husband, Stephen Bryant, were living -- perhaps in the same house there that he gave on 31 December 1656 to his son Jonathan and that Jonathan sold to his brother-in-law Stephen Bryant on 1 November 1658. It was perhaps the same house at Plain Dealing beside the King's Highway -- 'the house of Goodman Bryants' -- where Bryant was living in 1684 and which he sold in 1694. Governor Thomas Prence was a resident at Plain Dealing in the 1660s and one of John Shaw's nearest neighbors, and it is likely that John Shaw was at Plain Dealing or in the village of Plymouth when Governor Prence witnessed the mid-winter signing on 30 January 1663[/4] of the deed that was John Shaw's de facto will." (Shaw, NEHGR 151:269, 270)

posted by Jared Olar
Unknown-451766 and Unknown-214718 appear to represent the same person because: approximately same birth year, both in England. As her origins are unknown, no one knows exactly her birth year. Same spouse. Children on -451766 are also on -214718. Same death year and place. Please merge
posted by S (Hill) Willson
Phillips-10261 and Unknown-214718 appear to represent the same person because: I'm reproposing this merge. As there were two couples John & Alice Shaw there is some conflation going. In order to resolve the duplicates and confusion, I've looked at the facts that were used to create Phillips-10261. Her husband's name was John Shaw and she died 6 Mar 1654/5. Those facts align with Alice Uknown (AND NOT ALICE PHILLIPS). Therefore I am proposing this merge with Unknown-214718. Please, please contact me with your concerns before rejecting this merge. Thank you!!!
posted by M Cole
Unknown-214718 and Phillips-10261 do not represent the same person because: She married a John that was the son of Abraham. The John that married an unknown Alice is not from the same DNA Haplogroup.
posted by Alan Pendleton
Phillips-10261 and Unknown-214718 appear to represent the same person because: Correct LNAB should be unknown. Phillips seems to have come from confusion with another couple John and Alice Shaw in Massachusetts at the same time.
posted by M Cole
Gillian - Thanks for untangling things. It is unknown for sure who Alice's parents are
posted by Darin Neves
Hi Darin, from the various comments, and the removal and then re-adding of parents, I gather that this Alice is not the daughter of Nicholas Phillips and his wife Abigail Sewell Phillips. I have been untangling a lot of mix-ups with this family. Please get back to me if I don't have it right. Thanks so much. Gillian
posted by Gillian Thomas

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