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Sybilla (Unknown) Dunkeld (abt. 1010 - 1050)

Sybilla (Suthen) "Sybil, Bjornsdatter, Siwardsdatter" Dunkeld formerly [surname unknown] aka FitzSiward [uncertain]
Born about in Northumbria, Englandmap [uncertain]
Daughter of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
Wife of — married about 1030 [location unknown]
Descendants descendants
Died at about age 40 in Scotlandmap
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Suthen (Unknown) Dunkeld was a historically significant person of Scotland.
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Biography

This is the Final Profile ID for Suthen, wife of Duncan I of Scotland.

Suthen/Sybil is being consolidated in this profile. Due to her unknown parentage, her LNAB has been determined as UNKNOWN.

Take care when merging.

There is confusion surrounding the origins of Sybill/Suthen. Conflicting theories claim she is either a: cousin, sister, or daughter of Siward, Earl of Northumbria. Therefore, her LNAB is "UNKNOWN".
  • Siward had 2 known children: Waltheof of Bamburg and (unproven) Osbeorne (d.27 Jul 1054).
  • "[SIBYLLA] . The Chronicle of John of Fordun states the mother of Malcolm and Donald Bane, Duncan's sons, was "the cousin of Earl Siward". This info is not in any earlier source and should be considered dubious" (Medieval Lands)
Please see G2G discussion for more:

http://www.wikitree.com/g2g/137645/what-is-the-lnab-for-suthen-sybil-of-scotland-

Vitals

Name: Suthen
Alias: Sybill, Sybilla
b. ____
d. ____

Disputed Origins

Uncertain Family

Sybill's relation to Siward, Earl of Northumbria, as well as Bjorn is unknown. She has been referred to as Siward's cousin, sister, and daughter.

John of Fordun:
Foundation for Medieval Genealogy [2] states:
  • information is dubious ... "In one earlier king list, King Malcolm III's mother is named "Suthen"".
more recent sources suggest:[citation needed]

Marriage and Issue

m. c.1030 Duncan of Scotland.[3] Issue:
  1. Malcolm III
  2. Donald III
  3. Maelmuire.[4]

Sources

  1. Fordun, J. (1872) Chronicle of a Scottish Nation. Felix J.H. Skene, Trans. & William F. Skene, Ed. Edinburgh: Edmonston and Douglas. www.archive.org
  2. fmg.ac
  3. Ashley, M. (2008). A Brief History of British Kings and Queens, (pp.106-107). Philadelphia, PA: Running Press Book Publishers. Print.
  4. Alan Anderson's EARLY SOURCES OF SCOTTISH HISTORY, AD 500-1286; Weir, A. (n.d.) BRITAIN'S ROYAL FAMILIES (revised edition).




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The Anglo/Saxon Chronicle entry for 1054 states"But his son Osbern and his sisters son Siward,,,,were there slain". Siwards sister was Margaret Beron. She was given the nickname Suthen because she wore Satin, a fabric new to the Scots, to keep out the harsh weather of Scotland.

Were the archeological department of York willing to find Earl Siwards bones and do a DNA and bone analysis, a thousand year old question could be answered.

posted by L Armstrong
Siwardsdottir-1 and Unknown-275536 appear to represent the same person because: These two profiles are almost identical. Duncan I married Sybilla/Sarah/Suthen Siwardsdatter. Siward Bjornnson, Earl of Northumbria went to war with Macbeth because Macbeth killed Duncan I, his son-in-law.
posted by Thomas Johnston
Thomas, please notice the lack of proof stressed in this profile about her parents being unknown. If a *reliable* source is known, please provide it.
posted by Bobbie (Madison) Hall
Unknown-275536 and Siwardsdottir-1 do not represent the same person because: See disputed section on Unknown-275536
posted by Bobbie (Madison) Hall
I believe this profile is the same person as Sarah Siwardsdottir (1010) 

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Siwardsdottir-1

She married Duncan I Dunkeld, King of Scotland, who was murdered by Macbeth. This is why Siward Bjornsson went to war with Macbeth. Duncan was his son-in-law.

posted by Thomas Johnston
edited by Thomas Johnston
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posted by Bobbie (Madison) Hall
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Thank you all for your contributions to this historically significant profile.

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posted by Bobbie (Madison) Hall
Northumbria-84 and Unknown-275536 appear to represent the same person because: Suthen aka Sybil
Mother's, Father's date of brth does not agree with Sybil's date of birth.
posted by Glenn Kittredge
brilliant summary Sheri, in some ways it makes life more difficult as a genealogist, but also simpler - and as Sybilla/Suthen could never have been Bjornsson, I have eliminated it as a aka
posted by Wendy (Smith) Hampton
Old Norse naming traditions - Has a rule been set for this?

Since there were no separate countries like we have today in Scandanavia, the patrynomic systems which vary from Denmark to Finland could all be standardized in the old Norse way: -son for "son of" and -sdottir for daughter of (father's first name) - Nelsson, Nelsdottir.

This would streamline names. Since 1850 only Iceland still uses the feminine ending. All others are masculine and no longer change with generations. Another possibility is to default to father's first name without a gender ending so siblings can be matched more easily. (Nels and Nels) In any case, all old Norse names should begin with the father's first name, which means the names will change with each generation in ancient times.

posted by Sheri (Petersen) Sturm
I imagine that Sibyl is actually Biornsdotter - rather than son??
posted by Wendy (Smith) Hampton

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