Edward Vann
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Edward Vann (abt. 1720 - abt. 1770)

Edward Vann
Born about in North Carolinamap [uncertain]
Ancestors ancestors
Son of [uncertain] and
Brother of
[spouse(s) unknown]
Died about at about age 50 in Bertie, North Carolinamap
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Edward Vann resided in the Southern Colonies in North America before 1776.
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He has been detached from John Vann and Mary Unknown as parents. There was another Edward Vann that is believed to be their son.

His date of birth is unknown.

From his will, we know that his wife's name was Mary. Her maiden name was likely King, due to the fact that they named a son King and the three witnesses to Edward's will were Michael King, William King, and Charles King.

Children (per 1770 will)

  • William
  • King
  • Cader
  • Mary
  • Elizabeth
  • Sarah

Will

Edward Vann made his last Will on 04 Apr 1770 in Bertie, North Carolina and named his wife Mary. [1] [2] [3] Also leaves bequests to sons William, King (under age 21), Cader; daughters Mary, Elizabeth (under age 21), Sarah. Names son William as executor.

Research Notes[4]

Edward VANN, was on the Bertie NC List of Tithables for 1752 for two tithables. He acquired several tracts on Roquist and Cachie "in that part of Chowan called Bertie" which he left to his sons William, Cader, and King in his will of 1770, in which he also made provision for wife Mary (last name probably King), and daughters Sarah and Elizabeth. It was witnessed by William, Michael, and Charles KING.

King VANN received the land on Cachie; Cader, the land next to the Indian reservation; and William, the remainder, charging him with the responsibility of looking after his mother and the younger children. (Bertie NC Will Book A. p 130)

Within the next 12 years, all the land had been sold, and the family had moved to Duplin in the part that would later become Sampson, NC.

In 1774 Cader sold his land " on Roquist joining the Indian Line". (Bertie NC Deed Book 4 p429)

In 1790 Cader was listed as head of household in Sampson County with a wife, no children and no slaves.

King VANN was a minor when his father died. In 1782 he sold in two parts his 124 acres on Cachie: " King VANN of Duplin to ----- 62 acres on Cachie Swamp, an estate of inheritance in fee simple....(Bertie NC Deed Book M p569-570). In 1788 he had bought from Felix Kenan 200 acres at Taylor's Bridge in Sampson (Sampson Co.,NC Deed Book 5 p429).

William VANN was one of two William VANNs on the Duplin Tax list of 1783 and the Sampson Tax List in 1784, but he was not head of a household in 1790, and from here out, it is hard to know which William VANN was the uncle and which was the nephew. Many of his descendants moved to Alabama and Florida, and on to California

See The History of The Vann Family by Michael King for more on this family line

Notes re: Parents

His parents are unproven but possibilities include ...

- son of John Vann
- son of Edward Vann, d: 1750 Chowan County (brother of John Vann, IV).

Father is John Vann. John's father is William Vann (1685 - Aug 11, 1740, d. Chowan Co, NC). William's father is John Vann, born in England, died in Virginia. William's brothers appear to be John (IV), Edward (EV/Sr) and Joseph (JV) "a brother".[citation needed]

Sources

  1. North Carolina, Wills and Probate Records] 1665-1998 compiled by North Carolina Superior Court; on ancestry.com with image (attached here); citing Wills volume A-C (1761-1784) & Will Records v7-8 (1761-1833); for Edward Vann, dated: 04 Apr 1770 Bertie County, North Carolina; d: c1770; probate: 1770 Bertie, North Carolina.
  2. North Carolina, Will Abstracts 1760-1800 on ancestry.com for Edward Vann, d: c1770 North Carolina; probate: 1770; abstract: 1770 Edward VANN, wife Mary, children: William, Cader and King.
  3. Hereford County, North Carolina Wills Index available at the Archives included mention of his Will with executors as Mary and William VANN.
  4. https://dickdfox.tripod.com/index-vanngen1_5.html

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Does anyone have thoughts/comments before creating a profile for his wife Mary?? I am wondering if we should go with Unknown or King for her surname. Has anyone done further research into her and/or the three Kings that witnessed Edward's will?
I think two (or more) Edward Vann's have been combined into one. We need to detach all of the children that aren't named in his will that other researchers believe to be the children of an Edward Vann (and wife Charity) that moved to South Carolina (and create a new profile for that Edward Vann).
And Mary, daughter of Richard Barnes, needs to go to the new Edward Vann.

The Edward Van who died in 1770 also had a wife named Mary, but she is likely Mary King.

See https://pioneersalongsoutherntrails.blogspot.com/2017/03/john-vann-trader-among-thecherokee_15.html

See descendant chart early in, then scroll down to IV.3.1 Edward Vann

posted by Jillaine Smith
Jillaine, do you want to handle separating the two families?
I can try.

I *think* that the outline and details (and sources) provided here look solid and worth following:

https://pioneersalongsoutherntrails.blogspot.com/2017/03/john-vann-trader-among-thecherokee_15.html

I'd like to check my thinking about that with Kathie Forbes who has references concerning the Vanns but at the moment doesn't have access to them. She will later this summer, or sooner, I believe.

posted by Jillaine Smith
What I have says that Edward Vann was born about 1712 (Virginia or North Carolina) and died 1773 in Abbeville District, S.C. Father of Joseph, Edward (Ned), Jennie, James, Charles, and Dempsey by first wife Mary Barnes; Clement, Thomas, Edith, Susannah to wife #2, possibly Charity, and Avery by either Charity or an unknown 3rd wife since there is an age gap of 10 years between Susannah and Avery. This Edward is believed to be the brother of the John Vann who married a Cherokee woman and was the father of John, Wah-li (wife of Joseph and Clement), and Betty Vann.

Susannah is believed to be the Susannah Crutchfield on the 1790 census in South Carolina, mother of Edward and Joseph Crutchfield. They are described by the Moravians as first cousins of James Vann. Joseph was one of the husbands of Peggy Scott (wife of Chief James Vann). Susannah is described by the Moravians as a sister of Ned (Edward) Vann.

posted by Kathie (Parks) Forbes
edited by Kathie (Parks) Forbes
I think that the Pioneers site is very good. I don't agree with all of the date estimates (I seriously doubt that Avery was 100 when he died), but the relationships are pretty well documented through the combination of land records and the Moravians' descriptions of the various Vanns.
posted by Kathie (Parks) Forbes
This is what I have for children:

Edward and Mary are believed to be the parents of:

Joseph (Susannah’s son James described as first cousin of James Vann, Joseph’s son, by Moravians)

Edward (Ned) (described as brother of Susannah (Crutchfield) by Moravians,

Jennie/Jane, (Joseph named a daughter Jennie)

James, (Joseph named a son James)

Charles,

Dempsey.

Edward is believed to be the father of several children by a second, and possibly a third wife:

Clement, (described as the brother of Avery by the Moravians, was in the Cherokee Nation before 1800)

Thomas,

Edith (married Arthur Archibald Coody, Edward was co-administrator of his estate, son Zephaniah was overseer of James Vann’s plantation)

Susannah (married Crutchfield, described as sister of Ned Vann by Moravians),

Avery. (described as brother of Clement by the Moravians)

posted by Kathie (Parks) Forbes
North Carolina Will Abstracts, 1660-1790 No Image

Text-only collection Name: Edward Vann Location: Chowan County Will Date: 14 Feb 1738 Probate Date: 4 Jun 1752 Will: Son: Edward (land on Swamp). Daughters: Ann Vann, Sarah, Elizabeth. Executor: Edward Vann (son). Wife: not named. Witnesses: John Vann, William Vann, John Lewis. Proven before Gab. Johnston. Source Information Ancestry.com. North Carolina Will Abstracts, 1660-1790 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc,

posted by Eddie King
That would be for the following Edward: Edward Vann (abt.1690-1752)
I agree, the Edward with the will is a different man from Edward the father of Joseph, Clement, and Avery.
posted by Kathie (Parks) Forbes
The father John to whom Edward is attached has no sources. Additionally, William Vann (presently connected as John's father) made no mention of a son John in his 1735 will. William DID, however, name a son Edward who had a son William. I believe that Edward should be detached from John and attached to William Vann-15. I also think that Edward was born at least a decade earlier than 1720, as if he was the son of William he already had a son by 1735. (And I think his wife Mary was also born earlier than shown.)
What sources name his children, please?
posted by Jillaine Smith
Children named in his will (see attached images):
  • William (apparenty the oldest)
  • daughter Mary Vann
  • son King Vann
  • dau Elizabeth (single and under 21 at time of will)
  • dau Sarah Vann
  • son Cader Vann
posted by Jillaine Smith
In all my documents I can not find Avery Vann Jr listed as a son of Edward Vann