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Elizabeth (Vaughan) Whitney (1452)

Elizabeth Whitney formerly Vaughan
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Wife of — married about 1465 [location unknown]
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Contents

Biography

Elizabeth Vaughan[1][2] was born in 1452.[3]

Mother: Ellen Gethin, daughter of Dafydd ap Cadwgan ap Phylip Dorddu, one of the Vaughans of Tyle Glas.[1]
Father: Thomas ap Roger Vychan of Hergest[1]
Husband: Sir Robert Whitney[1]
Children:
  • James[4] m Blanche f. Simon Milborne[5]
  • John[4] of Bacherwyd[5]
  • Hugh[4] of the Hay[6]
  • Robert[1]
  • Eleanor (wife of John Puleston)[4]
  • Sibyl (wife of Roger ap Richard)[4] of Hergest[7]
  • Elisabeth (wife of John Pye)[4]

Research Notes

The profile attached as son Robert - Robert Whitney (abt.1517-1567) - was detached 4 March 2023. He was born in 1517 & Elizabeth's husband Robert died "before 6 Oct 1494".[8]

Sources

  1. 1.0 1.1 1.2 1.3 1.4 Source: #Richardson
  2. "Elizabeth Alice" per VAUGHAN family, of Hergest, Kington, Herefords, retrieved 2014-05-19, amb
  3. "Alice Vaughan" entered by Janice Hardin, Dec 9, 2011
  4. 4.0 4.1 4.2 4.3 4.4 4.5 Sources: #Bartrum, #Richardson
  5. 5.0 5.1 Source: #Bartrum
  6. see additional information with (?) at Whitney 1 (#Bartrum)
  7. Hergest (#Bartrum)
  8. From his profile, 5 March 2023, which cited Richardson's Plantagenet Ancestry.
  • Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, Royal Ancestry series, 2nd edition, 3 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham, (Salt Lake City, Utah: the author, 2011), pp 265-266, Bevan
  • * The Bartrum Project, (digitization of "Welsh Genealogies AD 300- 1500" by Peter C. Bartrum) Note: Cadair home page and the Bartrum Project's search page was captured by the Wayback Machine, but, apparently, none of the pages for the charts. The Bartrum charts are still available online here, but not as a searchable database (as of 2023). See this G2G post.
    • Whitney 1, Robert Whitney (living 1459) m (2) Elsbeth f. Tos Vn [Vaughan] of Hergest
    • Drymbenog 2(B1), Thomas ap Roger Vaughan of Hergest (b c. 1400), father of Elsbeth m Robert, son of Eustace Whitney
    • Hergest, Roger ap Richard m Sibyl f. Robert Whitney
  • LDS FHL AF #9B02-DB
  • Burke A B (2008) The Two wives of Robert Whitney Esq. Lord of Whitney: A Note on the Proof of Royal Descent of John Bevan. Foundations, Vol 2 (5): 350-357 [1].
See also
  • wikidata also says Elizabeth is daughter of Thomas (added in response to database error suggestion - hoping to clear it)

Acknowledgements

  • Kitty Carr (14x-gr-granddaughter) adopted Vaughan-476 on June 8, 2014.
  • Liz Shifflett (13x-gr-granddaughter), research, additional sources, editing






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I see that there is confusion over who the mother of Robert Whitney's sons is. The matter is widely discussed by experts, but as for this site, how can Elizabeth Vaughan have been the mother of James Whitney, eldest son, if she was born 14 years before James? I'm aware that such happened at times, but it is highly unlikely. Is it not more possible that James is the last child of Constance Touchet (though as I write this, I haven't cross-checked the birth year of her last listed daughter)?
posted by Felix Pfeifle
"The maternity of Robert Whitney's children is unsubstantiated by primary, contemporary sources." ~ https://fmg.ac/phocadownload/userupload/foundations2/JN-02-05/350Whitney.pdf

The birth year is an unsourced guess.

Richardson's Royal Ancestry, vol I, page 355 BEVAN #14 lists him as son of Elizabeth.

posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
Greetings Liz, Thank you so much for your reply and the link. Indeed, this is a much researched topic.
posted by Felix Pfeifle
There are 7 children listed in the Bio, but only 3 are attached to the profile. Would someone please attach the others?
posted by Bill Catambay
Richardson, Douglas. Royal Ancestry: A Study In Colonial And Medieval Families, in 5 vols. (Salt Lake City, Utah, 2013), Vol. I, page 355.

Robert Whitney, Esq., married (2nd) Elizabeth Vaughan, daughter of Thomas Vaughan, by Ellen Gethin, daughter of Dafydd ap Cadwgan ap Phylip Dorddu. They had four sons, James, Esq., John, Hugh, and Robert, and three daughters, Eleanor, (wife of John Puleston), Sibyl (wife of Roger ap Richard), and Elizabeth (wife of John Pye). Robert Wh[i]tney, Esq., died shortly before 6 October 1494. His widow, Elizabeth, was living 4 May 1525.

Thank you!

private message received said to add the following:

"Vaughan Family of Wales by B.H.J.Hughes, pg. 6."

States that Alice the daughter of Thomas and Ellen Vaughan married Robert Whitney.

posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
The given name of Robert Whitney's second wife, daughter of Thomas Vaughan of Hergest, was Elizabeth, not Alice - per Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry (see link in note at top of Whitney-979)
posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett

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