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Ellen (Venables) de Arderne (abt. 1299 - aft. 1335)

Ellen de Arderne formerly Venables aka de Venables
Born about in Alvanley, Cheshire, Englandmap
Ancestors ancestors
Daughter of and
Sister of , and
Wife of — married [date unknown] [location unknown]
Descendants descendants
Mother of , , and
Died after after about age 36 in Aldford, Cheshire, Englandmap
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Profile last modified | Created 8 Apr 2011
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European Aristocracy
Ellen Venables was a member of the aristocracy in England.

Sir Hugh Venables, baron of Kinderton, married Agatha, daughter of Ralph Vernon. Children were:

  1. Reginald
  2. Hugh, husband of Elisabeth Mobberley and Katherine Haughton
  3. Ellen, wife of John Arderne,
  4. Isabel, wife of David de Egerton
  5. Anila, wife of William Brereton
  6. Elizabeth, wife of Richard Done

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Plummer-723 Linda Plummer
I think Alice and Ellen are the same person. Ellen is the correct profile to keep.
posted by Linda Plummer
Plummer-723 Linda Plummer
Thank you for your comments. I looked at the information again and there isn't any real evidence to support Alice being a sister to Ellen.
posted by Linda Plummer
Plummer-723 Linda Plummer
Venables-143 and Venables-31 appear to represent the same person because: I will agree that they are the same person, and that Ellen is the correct first name. They should be merged.
posted by Linda Plummer
Selbrede-2 Steve Selbrede
See Venables-31 for comments regarding the rejected merge.
posted by Steve Selbrede
Selbrede-2 Steve Selbrede
Note that the source claims that Ellen was a daughter of Hugh and Agatha, but no daughter named Alice is mentioned. The daughters that are mentioned are each married to someone other than John Arderne. So it appears that Alice Venables-143 is the same person as this Ellen.
posted by Steve Selbrede
Selbrede-2 Steve Selbrede
That may be. But they have mostly the same children, who also need merging if they are really the same. If Ellen and Alice are different people, then the children need to be assigned to the correct mother. Maybe we can start by merging the duplicate children.
posted by Steve Selbrede
Plummer-723 Linda Plummer
Venables-143 and Venables-31 do not represent the same person because: I think Alice and Ellen and two different people. Perhaps sisters. Perhaps both married to John de Arnerne.
posted by Linda Plummer
Selbrede-2 Steve Selbrede
Venables-143 and Venables-31 appear to represent the same person because: Same person, same husband and children
posted by Steve Selbrede
Stone-4245 Cheryl (Stone) Caudill
Here is an added source for Alices' marriage to John Arderne.

Wife of John Arderne, from: Some Venables of England and America and Brief Accounts of Families into which certain Venables Married,: by Henrietta Brady Brown, Kinderton Press, Cincinnati, Ohio, 1961, p 16

posted by Cheryl (Stone) Caudill

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