Adelaide  (Vermandois) d'Anjou

Adelaide (Vermandois) d'Anjou (abt. 0934 - aft. 0984)

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Adelaide (Adele) "Aelis, Comtesse de Meaux" d'Anjou formerly Vermandois aka of Meaux, de Châlons
Born about in Monfort, Normandy, Francemap
Wife of — married about [location unknown]
Died after in Anjou, Isere, Rhone-Alpes, Francemap
Vermandois-351 created 20 Mar 2016 | Last modified | Last edit: 4 Aug 2016
06:26: RJ Horace posted a message on the page for Adele (Vermandois) d'Anjou. [Thank RJ for this | 1 thank-you received]
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adele_of_Meaux

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Biography

[Referring to Geoffrey's second wife]
"The origin of Adelais has been the subject of much speculation. Settipani has suggested[660] that she was the daughter of Hugues Comte en Bourgogne and his wife Willa von Thurgau. Chaume suggested that Adelais was the daughter or granddaughter of Charles Constantin Comte de Vienne[661]. Bouchard sets out several different theories concerning Adelais's origin, with the aim mainly of explaining Lambert's accession to Chalon by inheritance through his wife. However, none appears to be based on any primary documentation and Bouchard concludes that she prefers "to leave Adelais's origins unknown"[662]. An earlier theory was that Adelais was the sister of "Wera" Ctss de Meaux[663], which would mean that she was Adelais, daughter of Giselbert Duke of Burgundy & his wife Ermengarde [of Burgundy]. Duchesne suggested that she was the daughter of Robert Comte de Meaux et de Troyes[664], although this would mean that the two wives of Geoffroy I Comte d'Anjou were sisters, no mention of which has so far been found in contemporary sources. Another suggestion is that Adelais Ctss de Chalon was the same person as Wera-Adelais Ctss de Meaux. However, this is even more unlikely from a chronological perspective considering the estimated birth date of Wera-Adelais and the fact that Adelais de Chalon gave birth to at least one child by her second husband, Geoffroy Comte d'Anjou, after her marriage in 979. It would also mean that Comte Geoffroy married, as his second wife, his first wife's mother which is unlikely to have been accepted by the church. In 1619, Duchesne[665] suggested that Adelais was the sister of Guillaume I Comte d'Arles. Adelais married secondly (2 or 9 Mar 979) as his second wife, Geoffroi I "Grisegonelle" Comte d'Anjou, who acted as Comte de Chalon until his death in 987."[1]

[From now on, applies to Geoffrey's first wife]
Adele of Meaux (b. bef. [950], d. 974 after 6 Mar), was a daughter of Robert of Vermandois. She is often confused with Adelaide of Châlons, who was also known as Adelaide-Werra, Adelaide of Burgundy, and/or possibly Adelais de Vergy.

Adele married Geoffrey I of Anjou, as his first wife, and had children:
  • Fulk III of Anjou (b. before 965, d after 982)
  • Ermengarde of Anjou, who married Conan I of Rennes
  • Gerberga of Anjou (b. 974 or before, d. after 1 Apr 1040)
  • Gottfried of Anjou (after 6 Mar 974)

Early Life

ADELA de Meaux ([950]-974 after 6 Mar).[2][3]

Disputed Parents

The Henry Project claims she's not the daughter of Robert, Count of Troyes and Adelaide "Werra".[1]

Marriage

m.1 (before 965) GEOFFROY I “Grisegonelle” Comte d'Anjou, son of FOULQUES II Comte d’Anjou & his first wife Gerberge [de Maine] (-21 Jul 987). Adela died and Geoffroy married, second, (2 or 9 Mar 979) ADELAIS, widow of LAMBERT Comte de Chalon. (They had one child: Maurice.)fmg.ac[2]

Adela de Meaux and Geoffroy had Issue:
1. ERMENGARDE d'Anjou (before 965-after 982).[4]
2. FOULQUES d'Anjou (970-Metz 21 Jun 1040, bur Beaulieu-lez-Loche, Abbaye de Saint-Pierre).[5]
3. GEOFFROY (-after 6 Mar 974).[6]
4. GERBERGE d'Anjou (974 or before-after 1 Apr 1040).[7]


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Collaboration

On 4 Aug 2016 at 10:26 GMT RJ Horace wrote:

Looking at the kids

- the two Mauds are the same, their father is Lambert and their mother should be his wife, Adelaide Unknown-313332

- who is also Hugh's mother

- Aelis and Elizabeth are unaccounted for. They aren't Adele's, or Geoffrey's, or Adelaide's, or Lambert's. Elizabeth was a very unusual name before AD 1000.

On 24 Jul 2016 at 09:35 GMT RJ Horace wrote:

Good to see the two wives of Geoffrey now have a profile each

Still some issues

1 - The first block in the bio needs moving to the other wife

2 - She gave away her land on 6 Mar 974 and was dead by 979, when Geoffrey remarried

3 - Gottfried died after 6 Mar 974 (witnessed the deed)

4 - the Wikipedia page is all confused and needs a danger warning attached to the link.

5 - worth noting that Henry Project and Richardson both call her Adele de Troyes, though this might just be a legacy of old confusion with her mother

6 - the name Chalons invites confusion, since the future 2nd wife was Countess of Chalons the whole time

7 - should only be 4 kids not 9

8 - the Uncertain flags and dispute notice can go now, as they're just leftovers from previous confusion

On 24 Jul 2016 at 09:12 GMT RJ Horace wrote:

On 1 Feb 2015 at 00:29 GMT Maggie N. wrote:

Unknown-243234 and DeVermandois Meaux Anjou-1 do not represent the same person because: Names are similar but not same woman

On 29 Jun 2014 at 22:33 GMT Vic Watt wrote:

Adelais, the widow of Lambert, who married Geoffoy, was not the daughter of Robert de Vermandois. Her origins are unknown. SEE: http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ANJOU,%20MAINE.htm#GeoffroyIdied987B

I have inserted a note regarding Disputed Origins, and I would like to change her LNAB to Unknown. Any objections?

On 18 Mar 2013 at 21:54 GMT Vic Watt wrote:

Adelais and Adele de Meaux, both wives of Geoffrey d'Anjou, are not the same women. Do not merge them.

On 18 Mar 2013 at 21:49 GMT Vic Watt wrote:

Adèle de Meaux and Adelais, both wives of Geoffrey d'Anjou, are not the same women. Do not merge them.

On 1 Mar 2013 at 13:35 GMT Roger Travis Jr. wrote:



Adele is 28 degrees from Kevin Bacon, 32 degrees from AJ Jacobs, 39 degrees from Michael Phelps, 33 degrees from Neil deGrasse Tyson and 26 degrees from Queen Elizabeth II of the Commonwealth Realms on our single family tree. Login to find your connection.

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