[Referring to Geoffrey's second wife]
"The origin of Adelais has been the subject of much speculation. Settipani has suggested that she was the daughter of Hugues Comte en Bourgogne and his wife Willa von Thurgau. Chaume suggested that Adelais was the daughter or granddaughter of Charles Constantin Comte de Vienne. Bouchard sets out several different theories concerning Adelais's origin, with the aim mainly of explaining Lambert's accession to Chalon by inheritance through his wife. However, none appears to be based on any primary documentation and Bouchard concludes that she prefers "to leave Adelais's origins unknown". An earlier theory was that Adelais was the sister of "Wera" Ctss de Meaux, which would mean that she was Adelais, daughter of Giselbert Duke of Burgundy & his wife Ermengarde [of Burgundy]. Duchesne suggested that she was the daughter of Robert Comte de Meaux et de Troyes, although this would mean that the two wives of Geoffroy I Comte d'Anjou were sisters, no mention of which has so far been found in contemporary sources. Another suggestion is that Adelais Ctss de Chalon was the same person as Wera-Adelais Ctss de Meaux. However, this is even more unlikely from a chronological perspective considering the estimated birth date of Wera-Adelais and the fact that Adelais de Chalon gave birth to at least one child by her second husband, Geoffroy Comte d'Anjou, after her marriage in 979. It would also mean that Comte Geoffroy married, as his second wife, his first wife's mother which is unlikely to have been accepted by the church. In 1619, Duchesne suggested that Adelais was the sister of Guillaume I Comte d'Arles. Adelais married secondly (2 or 9 Mar 979) as his second wife, Geoffroi I "Grisegonelle" Comte d'Anjou, who acted as Comte de Chalon until his death in 987."
[From now on, applies to Geoffrey's first wife]
Adele of Meaux (b. bef. , d. 974 after 6 Mar), was a daughter of Robert of Vermandois. She is often confused with Adelaide of Châlons, who was also known as Adelaide-Werra, Adelaide of Burgundy, and/or possibly Adelais de Vergy.
- Adele married Geoffrey I of Anjou, as his first wife, and had children:
- Fulk III of Anjou (b. before 965, d after 982)
- Ermengarde of Anjou, who married Conan I of Rennes
- Gerberga of Anjou (b. 974 or before, d. after 1 Apr 1040)
- Gottfried of Anjou (after 6 Mar 974)
The Henry Project claims she's not the daughter of Robert, Count of Troyes and Adelaide "Werra".
m.1 (before 965) GEOFFROY I “Grisegonelle” Comte d'Anjou, son of FOULQUES II Comte d’Anjou & his first wife Gerberge [de Maine] (-21 Jul 987). Adela died and Geoffroy married, second, (2 or 9 Mar 979) ADELAIS, widow of LAMBERT Comte de Chalon. (They had one child: Maurice.)fmg.ac
- Adela de Meaux and Geoffroy had Issue:
- 1. ERMENGARDE d'Anjou (before 965-after 982).
- 2. FOULQUES d'Anjou (970-Metz 21 Jun 1040, bur Beaulieu-lez-Loche, Abbaye de Saint-Pierre).
- 3. GEOFFROY (-after 6 Mar 974).
- 4. GERBERGE d'Anjou (974 or before-after 1 Apr 1040).
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On July 24, 2016 at 09:35GMT RJ Horace wrote:
Still some issues
1 - The first block in the bio needs moving to the other wife
2 - She gave away her land on 6 Mar 974 and was dead by 979, when Geoffrey remarried
3 - Gottfried died after 6 Mar 974 (witnessed the deed)
4 - the Wikipedia page is all confused and needs a danger warning attached to the link.
5 - worth noting that Henry Project and Richardson both call her Adele de Troyes, though this might just be a legacy of old confusion with her mother
6 - the name Chalons invites confusion, since the future 2nd wife was Countess of Chalons the whole time
7 - should only be 4 kids not 9
8 - the Uncertain flags and dispute notice can go now, as they're just leftovers from previous confusion
On July 24, 2016 at 09:12GMT RJ Horace wrote:
On February 1, 2015 at 00:29GMT Maggie N. wrote:
On June 29, 2014 at 22:33GMT Vic Watt wrote:
I have inserted a note regarding Disputed Origins, and I would like to change her LNAB to Unknown. Any objections?
On March 18, 2013 at 21:54GMT Vic Watt wrote:
On March 18, 2013 at 21:49GMT Vic Watt wrote:
On March 1, 2013 at 13:35GMT Roger Travis wrote:
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