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Richomer (Orleans) de Bourgogne (abt. 555)

Richomer (Ricomer) "patrice de Burgondie" de Bourgogne formerly Orleans aka Romain
Born about in Duchy of Burgundymap [uncertain]
Son of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
Husband of — married [date unknown] [location unknown]
Husband of — married 0563 in Franconia, Baden, Germanymap
Descendants descendants
Died [date unknown] in Duchy of Burgundymap [uncertain]
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Ricomer (Orleans) de Bourgogne was a member of aristocracy in ancient Europe.
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Biography

Name

  • Richomer (Ricomer) [1]
  • Richemir, duke of the Burgundians & Franconians [2]

Richomer should be distinguished from:

Fredegar described him as a Roman when he was named patrician of Burgundy. [3]

Kingdom and Duchy of the Burgundians

The Burgundians were a Germanic, possibly originally Scandanavian ethnic group which established the Kingdom of the Burgundians in 476 when the Roman Empire dissolved. The Burdundian territory in 476 centered on modern day Switzerland [4]

The capital of the Burgundians was Chalon (Latin, Cavillonum). [5] It is currently located in the Isere department of France. [6]

Thierry II -- or Theodoric II -- a Merovingian prince, born 583 -- was King of Burgundy from 595 to 613 and King of Austrasia from 612 to 613 [7]

555 Birth

The Geni site reports that Richomer was born about 555 in the Duchy of Burgundy, Kingdom of the Franks. [2]

Parents and Ancestry

Nothing is known for certain about Richomer's parents. Fredegaire says he was "of Roman race." [1]

Betton of Orleans and Austregilde as parents of Richomer is presented in unsourced genealogical charts in David Hughes' British Chronicles. [8]

Following Hughes, some popular genealogies show Richomer as the son of Betton and his wife Austregilde. No reliable documentation has been found for this relationship and the relationship has been disconnected. Day-1904 23:39, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

580 Marriage

Richomere married Saint Gertrude, who was probably of the Agilolfinge family. [1]

Alternatively, he married Gertrudis de Cambrai, Abbess of Hamage (d. 649). [9]

His wife was also known as Gertrudis, Abbess of Hamage (d. 649) [10]

Note: She became "of hamage" when she became Abbess, so this is not the first name she would have been known by, which would more likely have been a family name, or the family place.

  • Gertrude d'Hamage[9]
  • Abbesse d'Hamage, sainte [9]
  • Gertrude de Cambrai [9]

Gertrude d'Hamage was born about 560.[9] Based on this date, one might estimate her year of marriage as, say, 580.

The parentage of Gertrude is speculative. Andreas Silvius, a monk of the Marchiennes Abbey, writing at the end of the 12th century in his "Synopsis Franco Merovingicae," stated that Gertrude was the daughter of Theodebald, duke of Douai. [9]

Settipani notes that even if the existence of Theodebald is not questioned, the reference to him as "Duke of Douai" may be seriously questioned.[11]

Settipani also notes that names such as Theodebald, Gertrude, and Gertrude's daughter Gerberge, indicate membership in the Agilofings, and that chronologically, Theodebald could be a brother of Garibald, the first Duke of Bavaria. [12]

607 Patrician of Burgundy

  • Patrician of Burdundy (patrice de Burgondie) [1]

Richomer was cited as a patrician of Burgundy (patrice de Burgondie) in 607. [9]

According to Fredégaire, he is named patrice of Burgondie in 607 by Thierry II, king of Burgundy, after this last one eliminated Wolf.[1]

He was Patrician of the Burgundians, and Duke in Franconia and Burgundy. [2]

The Burgundians were conquered by the Franks in 534. The Franks also recovered Provence from the Ostrogoths and re-attached it to Burgundy in 536. The Merovingian kings of the Franks kept Burgundy as a distinct entity under their personal rule.[2]

Fredegaire [3] provides the account in which Richomer was named Patrician of Burgundy. The previous patrician, named Wolf, had been involved in the death of one Protadius. Subsequently, at the instigation of Brunehault and by the order of Theodoric, Wolf was killed in the farm of Favernay. Richomer, Roman, was named patrician in his place.

We do not know what became of him later. [3]

Death

It is not apparent that his being named by Thierry II was in connection with his death, and therefore it should be assumed that he died later.

For estimation purposes, assume he died in 610, place unknown, but presumably somewhere in Neustria.

No basis has been found for popular genealogies which say he died in 607 in Franconia, Germany.

However, no date is useful enough to enter in the data field.

His widow Gertrude retired to religious life and founded the Abbey of Hamage on the advice of St. Amand. [9]

Issue

Gertrude and Richomer were the parents of:

  1. Son. a son for whom the historian Jacques Pycke proposes the name of Richomer[13] but according to Settipani, this second Richomer is the result of an error having split a single character.[14]
  2. Gerberge, a daughter, mother of: [11] "Gariburga; Gerberta"[15]
    1. Adalbald, died 642. Duke, married to St. Rictrude, Abbess of Marchiennes and father of Mauront, St. Eusebian, Clodsinde and Adalsinde. [16] Yaniv Fox cites the account of Hucbald, author of the tenth century Vita Rictrudis, who states that the Gertrude who had died in 649 and founded the monastery of Hamage was the grandmother of Adalbad. This Adalbald was the husband of Rictrude, abbess of Marchiennes and perhaps even brother of Erchinoald. [10]
    2. Erchinoald, died 658. Mayor of the palace of Neustria [17]
  3. Bertrude. Probably a daughter, Bertrude, married to King Clotaire II and mother of Dagobert I, king of the Franks. [18][19]

He was father of

  1. Gerberge of Burgundy & Franconia; .[2]
  2. Haldetrude / Adaltrudis; .[2]
  3. Regintrude of the Burgundians .[2]
  4. Adalbald I, comte d'Artois .[2]

Hudtrude of Burgundy, born about 630, is presented as the daughter of Ricomer d'Orleans born 555, and his wife Gertrude of Neustria, born 563. These parents appear to be early for the period in which Gerberge lived, and they have been de-linked, pending further research.

Research Notes

Duplicate Marriages on WikiTree

It is likely that research will reveal the following, all married to Ricomer Orleans to be the same person.

  1. Gertrudis (Bayern) Bourgogne, born 560
  2. Gertrude (Franconia) de Bourgogne born Franconia, Germany, 563
  3. Gertrudis (De Hamage) Bourgogne, born Hamage, Franconia, Germany, 560.

Issue Currently Linked on WikiTree

  1. Gertruda (Moselle) of Nuestria, born Moselle, Lorraine, 546 Note -- this birth year is 11 years before Ricomer was born.
  2. Hudtrude (Burgundy) de Bourgogne, born Bas Rhin, Alsace, 630. Note -- this birth year is 23 years after Ricomer died.

Ancestry Speculation

Settipani has compared his rather rare names with several homonyms and speculated on the possible following relationships, [20]

  • Richomer or Rigomer, King of the Franks, possible father of
  • Richomer, bishop of Meaux, who died 530.
  • Richomer, another by this name, was bishop of Orleans and died 573.
  • Richomer, patrician of Burgundy, who died 607, might be the son of Betton, noble of Orleans and his wife Austreglide , but this is not certain. Austregilde was a sister of Austrene, bishop of Orleans in 587 and 604, and they were children of Pastor, a noble of Orleans and Ragnora. Ragnora in turn might be the sister of Richomer, bishop of Meaux. And they might be children of either Richomer, king of the Franks, or Richomer's brother, Ragnacaire, king of Cambrai, who died 490 or 510. [20]

Fictional Pedigree in Collins' Peerage

Arthur Collins [21] gives an account of the family's ancestry which contains many errors:

  • The House of Guelph were descended from Ega, a Major Domus in France in the time of King Dagobert I who died A. D. 646
  • Ega married Gerberga, daughter of Richemeres Duke of Franconia, by Gertrudis, daughter of Ansbertus, Duke on the Moselle, who died A.D. 570, and was son of Vanbertus, Duke on the Moselle, who died A.D. 528, son of Albero, Duke on the Moselle, who died A.D. 4Q1, son or grandson of Pharamond, Duke of the East Franks, who died A. D. 470, and was grandfather to Merovaeus, ancestor to the ^Merovingian Kings of France. [22]

Sources

  1. 1.0 1.1 1.2 1.3 1.4 Wikipedia (French) Richomer Accessed July 22, 2018 jhd
  2. 2.0 2.1 2.2 2.3 2.4 2.5 2.6 2.7 Geni. Richemir Added by: Karla Kay Walsh on May 9, 2007; Managed by: Margaret (C) and 165 others; Curated by: Justin Swanstrom; Accessed July 22 2018 jhd
  3. 3.0 3.1 3.2 « Chronique de Frédégaire » Cited by Wikipedia (French) Richomer Accessed July 22, 2018 jhd
  4. Image of the Second Burgundian Kingdom between 434 and 476
  5. https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chalon-sur-Sa%C3%B4ne
  6. Wikipedia: Chalon,_Isère
  7. https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thierry_II_(roi)
  8. David Hughes. The British Chronicles Heritage Books, 2007, Volume 2, page 568. Note -- David Hughes works are very poorly regarded by serious historians because of his frequent use of undocumented assertions, and his presentation of material to give the impression that it is sourced when in fact it is not. As a result research of original sources frequently uncovers erroneous material in Hughes' works and it cannot and should not be relied upon. Accessed July 23, 2018 jhd
  9. 9.0 9.1 9.2 9.3 9.4 9.5 9.6 9.7 Wikipedia (French Language). Gertrude d'Hamage Accessed July 21, 2018 jhd
  10. 10.0 10.1 Yaniv Fox. Power and Religion in Merovingian Gaul: Columbanian Monasticism and the Frankish Elites, (pp. 125-126). Cambridge University Press, 2014. Google Books; citing Vita Rictrudis, (10th century)page125 Accessed July 21, 2018 jhd
  11. 11.0 11.1 Christian Settipani, Les Ancêtres de Charlemagne, Paris, 1989, 170 p. (ISBN 2-906483-28-1) page 109. Cited by Wikipedia (French Language). Gertrude d'Hamage Accessed July 21, 2018 jhd
  12. Christian Settipani, Les Ancêtres de Charlemagne, Paris, 1989, 170 p. (ISBN 2-906483-28-1) pages 102, 4-5. Cited by Wikipedia (French Language). Gertrude d'Hamage Accessed July 21, 2018 jhd
  13. J. Pycke, « Gertrude de Hamay (sainte) » dans Dictionnaire d'histoire et de géographie ecclésiastiques, vol. XX. (Gatianensis - Giry), Paris, Librairie Letouzey et Ané, 1984 (ISBN 2-7063-0157-0) , col. 1062-3. Cited by Wikipedia (French Language). Gertrude d'Hamage Accessed July 21, 2018 jhd
  14. Christian Settipani, Les Ancêtres de Charlemagne, Paris, 1989, 170 p. (ISBN 2-906483-28-1) page 108. Cited by Wikipedia (French Language). Gertrude d'Hamage Accessed July 21, 2018 jhd
  15. [1] Gertrude de Hamage
  16. According to the Vita Rectrudis, dating from the early tenth century. Cited by Wikipedia (French Language). Gertrude d'Hamage Accessed July 21, 2018 jhd
  17. According to the Chronologium Marchianensis (twelfth century) which specifies that Erchinoald was brother of Adalbald. Cited by Wikipedia (French Language). Gertrude d'Hamage Accessed July 21, 2018 jhd
  18. La Chronique de Frédégaire précise qu'il est cousin de Dagobert Ier par la mère de ce dernier. Cited by Wikipedia (French Language). Gertrude d'Hamage Accessed July 21, 2018 jhd
  19. Christian Settipani, Les Ancêtres de Charlemagne, Paris, 1989, 170 p. (ISBN 2-906483-28-1) pages 92-93. Cited by Wikipedia (French Language). Gertrude d'Hamage Accessed July 21, 2018 jhd
  20. 20.0 20.1 *Christian Settipani, Les Ancêtres de Charlemagne, Paris, 1989, 170 p. (ISBN 2-906483-28-1) page 121-3. Cited by Wikipedia (French)Richomer Accessed July 22, 2018 jhd
  21. Arthur Collins. Peerage of England: Genealogical, Biographical The Guelphis Line Volume I, page 8-9. Accessed July 22, 2018 jhd
  22. The same reference can be found at [2]Collins, Peerage, page 8 Accessed July 22, 2018 jhd




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He was also Richomer, patrice de Bourgogne. He only appears to have an entry in the French Wikipedia, the solid lines are known or proven relationships, the dotted lines speculation. https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richomer_(patrice_de_Burgondie). If we believe the dotted lines, that would explain the LNAB of Orleans
posted by John Atkinson
Ok, I figured it out... this is a mash-up profile, based on a mythical Guelph pedigree (associated with the fictional Pharamond). You can see it repeated by Collins.[1]

There seems to be another British chronicle(s), that makes him a descendant of a mythical count of Anjou -- reflected in the ascendants of his WikiTree pedigree (Hughes, 2007).[2]

posted by [Living Ogle]
It would be nice to get Bourgogne as his LNAB again.
posted by Maggie N.
That is a good question. I left it with the last name because I thought that if the name is available, it takes precedence over the region name, which would be Bourgogne.
posted by Sheri (Petersen) Sturm
He should be Bourgogne, shouldn't he? Do we want to ask Lianne to recover the Bourgogne ID?
posted by Roger Travis Jr.

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