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Robert Watson (bef. 1576 - 1637)

Robert Watson
Born before in Wath Upon Dearne, Yorkshire, Englandmap
Ancestors ancestors
Son of and
Brother of , and
Husband of — married [date unknown] [location unknown]
Husband of — married [date unknown] [location unknown]
Husband of — married 1610 in Parish Church, Lincolnshire, Englandmap
[children unknown]
Died after age 61 [location unknown]
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Research suggests that this person may never have existed. See the text for details.

Contents

Biography

When Robert was about 49 he married on 8 April 1619 in Surrey, England.[1]

Research Notes

Estimates for birth range from 1570 to 1580 on several former, merged profiles.

I can find no evidence of a baptism around 1580 of Robert Watson in Wath upon Dearne, or in the surrounding area on Family Search, Ancestry or Findmypast. All searched 5 August 2020 Williams-47589 07:42, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

Notes from external profile

According to the analysis of Robert Charles Anderson, this man did not exist.

From Robert Charles Anderson, Great Migration Begins, volume II, "Phantom Files, p. 2103: Robert Watson. Claims arr 1632 to Plymouth, bro of John Watson of Roxbury; father of George Watson of Plymouth. Should be rejected totally; no evidence in Plymouth or elsewhere in NE for such a Robert; nor for any connection btw John and George Watson. An assignment of a servant by “Elizabeth Watson, widow, … unto Thomas Watson,” on 8 Nov 1638 [PCR 1:102], is cited as support of this claim; but this record says nothing about a Robert, nor does it connect to records of other Watson immigrants.

His continued existence is perpetuated by online family trees lacking adequate documentation.

Therefore we need to figure out what to do with the rest of his family.

Research Notes from merged away fictional son, Nathaniel

Who is this?

  • FamilySearch Person: 9XGJ-9MJ (no sources) claims b. 1618 in Devon son of Robert Watson and Elizabeth Pye.; died New Haven 4 Jun 1650.
  • Ancestry Trees (no sources) b. Nov 1600 St. Mary, Stratford, Suffolk, also son of Robert Watson and Elizabeth Pye; m. 24 Jun 1635 Stratford Rose Hubert; d. New Haven 19 Aug 1690.

Was there a Nathaniel Watson in New Haven? NO.

Jacobus' Families of Ancient New Haven-- No listing for Nathaniel Watson. Only Edward Watson d. 1660 h/o Grace.
Not in the Vital Records of New Haven.[2]
Not in the town (p.546) and colony records ([https://archive.org/details/recordsofcolonyp00newh/page/546/mode/2up p. 546).[3][4]

Other possibilities

Not listed in Great Migration Directory.[5]
Savage's Genealogical Dictionary:[6] "NATHANIEL, New London 1647, of wh. no more is seen in Caulkins. NATHANIEL, Windsor, s. of Robert of the same, m. 1685, Dorothy d. of the sec. John Bissell, had Nathaniel, and Ann, the latter 4 yrs. old, the other 6 mos. when he d. 19 Aug. 1690.
ROBERT, Windsor, m. 10 Dec. 1646, Mary, d. of the first John Rockwell of the same, had Mary, b. 11 Jan. 1652; John, 7 Mar. 1653; Samuel, 14 Jan. 1655; Hannah, 8 Aug. 1658; Ebenezer, 25 Apr. 1661; Nathaniel, 28 Jan. 1664; and Jedediah, 30 Sept. 1666. He is in the list of freem. 1669, but freed from train. the yr. preced. His w. d. 21 Aug. 1684; and he d. 19 July 1689. All the s. were then liv. Hannah m. 28 Mar. 1679, John Birge of W.

Conclusion Internet trees have conflated Nathaniel (d. Aug 1690), son of Robert (d. 1689), with an imaginary son of Robert Watson and Elizabeth Pye. Merged Watson-787 merged with well sourced Watson-17913 (1663-1690)

Alleged children removed

Watson-802, Watson-88, Watson-794, Watson-2593, Watson-462, Watson-292. Watson-787 merged with Watson-17913. Watson-787 merged with Watson-796.

Sources

  1. ↑ Marriage: Title: Surrey, England, Extracted Parish Records Author: Ancestry.com Publication: Online publication - Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2001. Original data - Electronic databases created from various publications of parish and probate records.Original data: Electronic databases created from various publications of parish and. Citing: Note: Ancestry Record epr_surrey #101006 Note: Data: Text: Marriage date: 08 Apr 1619; Marriage place: Surrey, England (accessed 5 September 2020)
  2. ↑ Vital records of New Haven, 1649-1850 Part I. Hartford: Connecticut Society Order of the Founders and Patriots of America, 1917. p 1272.
  3. ↑ Records of the Colony and Plantation of New Haven, From 1638 to 1649. Hoadly, Charles J, MA. (editor) Hartford: Case, Tiffany and Company, 1857.
  4. ↑ New Haven town records, Vol I, 1649-1662 edited by Franklin Bowditch Dexter et al. Publ. New Haven: New Haven Hist. Soc. 1917.
  5. ↑ Anderson, Robert Charles. Great Migration Directory (The). Immigrants to New England, 1620-1640. A Concise Compendium. (Boston: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2015.)
  6. ↑ Savage, James. A Genealogical Dictionary of the First Settlers of New England Showing Three Generations of Those Who Came Before May, 1692. Vol. I-IV. (Boston, MA, USA: 1860-1862).

See also:

  • Title: Ancestry Family Trees Publication: Online publication - Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network. Original data: Family Tree files submitted by Ancestry members. Note: This information comes from 1 or more individual Ancestry Family Tree files. This source citation points you to a current version of those files. Note: The owners of these tree files may have removed or changed information since this source citation was created. Page: Ancestry Family Trees Note: Data: Text: https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/tree/7122234/family




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Hananui Watson
Watson-792 and Watson-37 appear to represent the same person because: These two have a close birth year (1570 and 1576 – per comments below these are estimates for the same person), the same death date, and a wife with the same name.
posted by Hananui Watson
Cat Watson
I am a descendant of Edward Watson, son of Robert Watson. Here is the info I have so that you can return Robert to the Living as its weird he's considered 'made up' given the intermarriages of this family, in the little that I know myself. Christened: Dec 24, 1576, age 6, at West Hesterton, Yorkshire County, England, ImmAnc MFdec P41rel, P43rel, and same for his wife Elizabeth. Family ID 6007, married in England. He has George, Thomas, Samuel, Robert, Edward, Frances, John and Nathaniel. This info is from American Heritage Families but is also on the 1999 DAR Research provided to my mom, which also includes Robert Watson as father of son Edward. Robert Watson should be returned to the Living Persons category. Further, you can trace the family intermarrying with the Hall Family, Hale, Doolittle, Calvert, Cornwall, Peck, and the connections of the families back in Europe which go far back. Also, I have Watsons through both my maternal family main lines, my mom's dad and my mom's mom. I hope this helps.
posted on Watson-792 (merged) by Cat Watson
Cat Watson
Robert Watson moved Spring 1636 with the Dorchester settlers at Windsor, Conn where he died in the summer of 1637 {Family Records}, leaving his wife Elizabeth, George, Thomas, Samuel and Edward (possibly) at Plymouth, going with Robert, Nathaniel and John. Their training house was located at the meadow south of the Tunxis River, even now locally known as "Plymouth Meadow" and the "Great Meadow above the Tunxis, now Farmington River, was used by the Dorchester colonists, and it was with these Dorchester people where Robert Watson located his home and where he died in 1637, and where Robert continued to reside while not married. Robert Watson was identified with emigration of Rev. John Warham by location of home lot t which was above the Palisado and on the Great Meadow north of the Tunxis River - assigned by purchase and preemption to the Dorchester Colony, that below the Tunxis River on which the Plymouth Colony's Trading house was located being called "Plymouth Meadow" and afterwards purchased by the Dorchester people. The Town Records of Windsor previous to 1650 have not survived. Family papers and tradition are largely relied upon for knowledge of places and things. Trumbull's History vol i, page 183, says "the young and enterprising colonies of Connecticut and New Haven have attracted from Plymouth and Massachusetts some of their most active and progressive men." The first meeting of the "United Colonies" was held at Boston September 1, 1643 (They were held quarterly, and alternatively, at Boston, Hartford, Plymouth and New Haven.) Governor Eaton took the Oath of Allegiance at New Haven July 1644, administering the same oath that day to others, including Edward Watson, who married Grace, widow of John Walker, and their daughter Grace married Thomas Hall 1673 who was from Wallingford, Conn, they had 11 children. Edward moved to New Haven. Robert remained on his father's lot in Windsor. (1947 Watson Genealogy) Hoping sharing this info is helpful to the research, and knowing these are not primary sources. I'll share any more research I find.
posted on Watson-792 (merged) by Cat Watson
B-404 Anne B
I am working on disconnecting the children from this non-existent person profile. Objections?
posted on Watson-792 (merged) by Anne B
B-404 Anne B
The children have all been removed. Immigrant profiles, maintained. Fictional profiles merged.
posted on Watson-792 (merged) by Anne B
Ebert-456 Cari (Ebert) Starosta
Watson-17649 and Watson-792 appear to represent the same person because: same parent
posted on Watson-792 (merged) by Cari (Ebert) Starosta
Gardiner-1534 Rick Gardiner
Watson-792 and Watson-5599 appear to represent the same person because: Clear duplicate.
posted on Watson-792 (merged) by Rick Gardiner
Gordon Watson
Note from old online data: Robert WATSON: born c1575 England -- immigrated in 1632 to Plymouth, Plymouth MA USA -- died 1637 Windsor Hartford CT. Wife Elizabeth [PYE?], married c1600. 7 children (all born England): Robert, George, John, Edward, Thomas, Nathaniel, Samuel. Etc.

George WATSON (above; c1602 England - 31JAN1688 Plymouth MA) married Phoebe HICKS 1635 Plymouth MA USA; 9 children, etc. Phoebe HICKS (bap 15MAR1613 Bermondsey England. -- died 22MAY1663 Plymouth) came to USA on the "Fortune". Etc.

My HICKS line [not my WATSONs] may be connected via my 4G Grandparents. George HICKS (c1761 Brede SSX -DEC1826 Rye SSX) married Ann BULL (bap 15DEC1765 Northiam SSX - 7OCT1843 Rye SSX) on 11APR1784 Brede SSX.

I have DNA via MyHeritage; same soon from Ancestry. Gordon Watson (Australia).

posted on Watson-792 (merged) by Gordon Watson
Smith-32867 Jillaine Smith
So if Anderson is correct, this man did not exist.
posted on Watson-792 (merged) by Jillaine Smith
Smith-32867 Jillaine Smith
From Robert Charles Anderson, Great Migration Begins, volume II, "Phantom Files, p. 2103: Robert Watson. Claims arr 1632 to Plymouth, bro of John Watson of Roxbury; father of George Watson of Plymouth. Should be rejected totally; no evidence in Plymouth or elsewhere in NE for such a Robert; nor for any connection btw John and George Watson. An assignment of a servant by “Elizabeth Watson, widow, … unto Thomas Watson,” on 8 Nov 1638 [PCR 1:102], is cited as support of this claim; but this record says nothing about a Robert, nor does it connect to records of other Watson immigrants.
posted on Watson-792 (merged) by Jillaine Smith

Rejected matches › Robert Watson (abt.1870-) › Robert Cain Watson (1910-) › Robert Wallace Watson (abt.1911-abt.1984)

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