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Penelope (Wenman) Cave (abt. 1618 - bef. 1666)

Penelope Cave formerly Wenman aka Wayman
Born about in Tuam, Irelandmap [uncertain]
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Daughter of and
Sister of , , and
Wife of — married about 1652 in Tuam, Irelandmap [uncertain]
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Mother of , , and
Died before before about age 48 [location unknown]
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Biography

Penelope "of the Kingdom of Ireland," was the daughter and co-heir of Thomas Viscount Wenman.[1][2]

Penelope "Wenman" was the second wife of Thomas Cave 1st Bt (abt.1622-) of Stanford in Northampton. The marriage took place in about 1652. Note: In source #2 there is a question mark beside the year of marriage so the date is not certain. Penelope was described as "of the Kingdom of Ireland."[2]

Her will date was 2 Feb 1665, and probate date 27 Mar 1666.[3]

Dame Penelope Cave was buried on 5 Feb 1666 at Stanford on Avon, Leicestershire, England [4]

Research Notes

She must have married before 1646 (or 1644 as that's when her first known child was born. Penelope[5] who died young was born in 1644 - this could be an error). Thomas, son of Sr Thomas and Dame Penelope, was born on 18 April 1646 and baptised in Stanford on Avon, Leicestershire, England. [6]

Note: In source #2 there is a question mark beside the year of marriage, 1652, so 1652 is an uncertain date. It is probable that they married earlier, especially if their first child was baptized in 1646. [2] Conway-3024

Sources

  1. ↑ "Boyd's Inhabitants Of London & Family Units 1200-1946, Census, land & surveys 1620 https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBPRS/BIL/00535195 FindMyPast (accessed [11 Dec 2021])
  2. ↑ 2.0 2.1 2.2 "Penelope Cave, of the Kingdom of Ireland, marriage, 1652?," FindMyPast (accessed [4 Dec 2022])
  3. ↑ Will: "England & Wales, Prerogative Court of Canterbury Wills, 1384-1858"
    The National Archives; Kew, Surrey, England; Records of the Prerogative Court of Canterbury, Series PROB 11; Class: PROB 11; Piece: 319
    Ancestry Sharing Link - Ancestry uk Record 5111 #804991 (accessed 3 December 2022)
    Will of Penelope Cave, granted probate on 27 Mar 1665. Died about 1665.
  4. ↑ " Dame Penelope Cave, Leicestershire Burials,, Stanford on Avon, 1666," FindMyPast (accessed [4 Dec 2022])
  5. ↑ Visitation of England and Wales by Howard, Joseph Jackson, 1827-1902; Crisp, Frederick Arthur, 1851-1922; College of Arms (Great Britain) Pub: 1893. Internet Archive
  6. ↑ Baptism: "Leicestershire Baptisms"
    Archive: Record Office for Leicestershire, Leicester & Rutland; Reference: DE1631/1; Page: 1
    FindMyPast Image - FindMyPast Transcription (accessed 4 December 2022)
    Thomas Cave baptism (born 18 Apr 1646), son of Sr Thomas & Dame Penelope, in Stanford on Avon, Leicestershire, England.
  • Lundy, Daryl (compiler). Penelope Wenman, F, #149162, The Peerage. Updated 11 Mar 2009, accessed 2 Jan 2019, citing George Edward Cokayne, editor, The Complete Baronetage. 1983 reprint, pages 57 & 93. Gloucester, UK: Alan Sutton Publishing; and, Mosley, Charles, editor. Burke's Peerage, Baronetage & Knightage, 107th edition. 2003, p. 725. Wilmington, Delaware, USA: Genealogical Books Ltd.




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Gill Whitehouse
I've removed the image as it's the wrong Penelope Wenman.
posted by Gill Whitehouse
Gill Whitehouse
Is there any reason to think that she was born or married in Ireland? Her father's title was Viscount Wenman of Tuam, but he doesn't appear to have actually lived there, since he was returned for 6 parliaments in Northants and Oxon in the 1620s
posted on Wayman-10 (merged) by Gill Whitehouse
Anna (Conway) Strutt
Please see source #2. She was described in this document as "of the Kingdom of Ireland." That doesn't mean that she necessarily spent a lot of time there though.
posted by Anna (Conway) Strutt
Gill Whitehouse
Is there any evidence at all that she even set foot on Ireland? It certainly shouldn't be marked as certain. Especially considering the unreliability of that record - the marriage date is wrong, and Croft Castle is in Herefs, not Herts.
posted by Gill Whitehouse
edited by Gill Whitehouse
Anna (Conway) Strutt
Agreed, the source is rather sketchy but it's the best I can do regarding records for Penelope. I've changed her birth place to uncertain.
posted by Anna (Conway) Strutt
Anna (Conway) Strutt
Where did he return from in order to "returned for 6 parliaments," or is that a phrase to explain that he was elected or appointed.?
posted by Anna (Conway) Strutt
Gill Whitehouse
Returned means he won an election, not physically returning from anywhere.
posted by Gill Whitehouse
edited by Gill Whitehouse
Anna (Conway) Strutt
Indeed, I realized the idiocy of my question immediately after I sent it.
posted by Anna (Conway) Strutt
Gill Whitehouse
We've all been there and done that :)
posted by Gill Whitehouse

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