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Welf (Hwelf) is the earliest documented ancestor of the Welf dynasty (sometimes known as Guelph, Guelf, Guelfe). His name is perhaps a shortened form of Welfhard or Bernwelf.
The first time he appears in the records is in the Gesta Hludowici imperatoris (Life of Emperor Louis the Pious), written by Thegan of Trier in about 836-837, where he is mentioned as the father of Louis' second wife, Judith; married in 819.
Although Welf was a noble in the Carolingian empire, its not clear exactly where. Thegan calls him a Duke in Bavaria ( Hwelfi ducis ... noblissima progenie Bawariorum) though he never held the title Duke or Count of Bavaria, which appears in many secondary sources.
It's also possible he was a Count in Argengau a district later included in the Duchy of Swabia and also the northern section of the Kingdom of Burgundy, based on his possible father or grandfather, and then his son, ruling that area.
In secondary sources, he is often called Count of Altdorf, but again there are no primary sources to confirm this and it is later members of the family who ruled there.
Another theory is that his father is Isanbart, a Count in Allemannia, the son of a Count Warin and Hadellinde.
The only date that can be assigned to him, is the marriage date of his daughter Judith in 819, when it would be supposed that he was still alive. Given that a birth date of about 800-805 is proposed for her and she is thought to be his eldest daughter and possibly eldest child then a birth date of about 770 seems reasonable for Welf.
His spouse was Heilwig, (family name unknown but from the nobility of Saxony)
- Konrad "l'Ancien" (d. 22 March 862/66), Graf von Linzgau und Argengau, Comte de Paris, husband of Adelais de Tours
- Raoul/Rudolf I (d. 15 Oct 866), Comte de Sens, husband of Hruodun (d. after 867)
- Emma/Hemma (d. 31 Jan 876), Queen of Bavaria and Carinthia
- Hrodroh/Ruadroh, appears in a list of names after Konrad and Rudolf and before Hemma, and it thought to be another son, died 1 February, year unknown.
- Eticho, is listed in a late 12th century document; Historia Welforum Weingartensis, as the son of Welf, and ancestor of the German Welfs. He has continued to appear in many works but there are no primary documents that name him and he is thought to be legendary or at least not a son of Welf.
- Deda (Edith), appears in online genealogies as the daughter of Welf and Heilwig, and married to Bernard de Toulouse, Count of Barcelona. According to Cawley, his wife is called Dhuoda (Doda) and her parents are unknown. There seems to be no primary sources that call her the daughter of Welf and Heilwig and the relationship must be from a much later source and should be disregarded.
He died on 3 September, probably before about circa 825, when his wife was appointed Abbess of Chelles.
- ↑ Cawley; Hiebl
- ↑ Thegan of Trier
- ↑ Baldwin
- ↑ Baldwin; Cawley, Huebl; Moriarty; Settipani
- ↑ Baldwin
- ↑ her known siblings all died about 20 years or more after her
- ↑ Baldwin, citing Thegan, Vita Hludowici Im
- ↑ Baldwin
- ↑ Baldwin
- ↑ see for instance, Halliday, p. 86 & 104
- ↑ Baldwin
- Baldwin, S. (2012, 16 August). 'Welf: Duke or count. Ancestor of the Welfs.' in The Henry Project, Stewart Baldwin & Todd Farmerie (Eds). Retrieved 29 December from http://home.earthlink.net/~henryproject/hproject/prov/welf0000.htm
- Cawley, C. (2015, 31 August). 'Chapter 9A: Grafen im Linzgau, Grafen von Altdorf (Welf)' in Medieval Lands: A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families. Retrieved 29 December 2015 from http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SWABIAN%20NOBILITY.htm#_Toc428785911
- Halliday, A. (1826). Annals of the House of Hanover, vol. 1. Retrieved 30 December 2015 from https://archive.org/stream/annalshousehano01hallgoog#page/n8/mode/2up
- Moriarty, G.A. (n.d.). The Plantagenet ancestry of King Edward III and Queen Philippa, copy of handwritten original. Retrieved from https://archive.org/details/plantagenetances00mori
- Settipani, C. & Van Kerrebrouck, P. (1993). La préhistoire des Capétiens 481-987: Première partie - Mérovingiens, Carolingiens et Robertiens, being volume 1 of Nouvelle histoire généalogique de l'auguste Maison de France, P. Van Kerrebrouck (Ed.); Villeneuve d'Ascq, France.
- 'Thegan of Trier'. (2015, 1 May). In Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia. Retrieved 29 December 2015, from https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Thegan_of_Trier&oldid=660159819
- W.H.Turton, "The Plantagenet Ancestry" (Balt.:Gen. Pub. Co., 1968), p. 23 & 181, titles him Guelph III, Count of Andech, and has him son of Guelph, 745-800.}
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On 13 Sep 2016 at 20:55 GMT Bill Huitt wrote:
If this is correct, his wife was known as Hedwig, Abbess de Chelles, b. abt 780
On 6 Sep 2014 at 11:45 GMT Renee Malloy wrote:
Thank you for your consideration, Renee Malloy
On 1 Sep 2014 at 00:31 GMT Allan Colver wrote:
On 10 Jul 2014 at 00:04 GMT Steve (Vander Leest) VanderLeest wrote:
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On 13 Mar 2013 at 19:53 GMT Roger Travis Jr. wrote:
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