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Francis West (abt. 1606 - 1692)

Francis West
Born about in Salisbury, Wiltshire, Englandmap [uncertain]
Son of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
Husband of — married 27 Feb 1639 in Duxbury, Plymouth Colonymap
Descendants descendants
Died at about age 86 in Duxbury, Plymouth, Massachusetts Baymap
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Biography

Origins

The origins of Francis West are unknown. According to his great grandson, Zebulon West, Francis was born about 1606 in Salisbury, Wiltshire, England and he left there as a young man, emigrating to Plymouth Colony in New England on the invitation of a Mr. Thomas of Marshfield, Plymouth Colony. He was a single man, a house carpenter by trade, and settled in Duxbury..[1]

Marriage and Children

In Duxbury, Francis married Margery Reeves on February 27, 1639.[2][3]With Margery, he had five children:

Town Records

"He is spoken of as a carpenter in the Duxbury records and the Plymouth Colony records show that he made a pair of stocks for the town of Duxbury in 1640. In 1640 and 1642, he was a member of the Grand Jury; in 1642, he bought a house and some land in Duxbury (Millbrook) and in 1643 he was on the list of those able to bear arms. He was admitted a Freeman, in Plymouth colony in 1656. In 1658, he was a surveyor of highways in Duxbury; constable in 1661; and in 1662, '69, '74, '78, '80, and '81 was a member of the "Grand Enquest"".[4]

Death

Francis died at Duxbury, Plymouth Colony, New England, on January 21, 1692, at the 'ripe old age' of 86. During the last three years of his life, his son, Peter, cared for him, and his estate at the time of his death, valued at 16 pounds, was left to Peter West.[1]

His inventory heading records his death date as 2 January 1692 and was taken on 14 February 1692 in Duxbury and recorded in Plymouth.[5]

Research Notes

Disputed Origins

In the early 1900s, there was a proliferation of "genealogists" connecting the colonial ancestors of their clients with British and European royal families, typically not verifying the results with original records. In the West family, Francis West of Duxbury was said to be the son of Francis West, Esq.,[6] a Deputy Governor of Virginia Colony (and sometimes acting Governor) whose father was the 2nd Baron De La Warr and whose mother, Anne Knollys, was the granddaughter of Mary Boleyn, sister of Anne Boleyn and mistress of King Henry VIII. Henry VIII may have been the father of Anne Knollys’ mother, Catherine Carey, [7] and therefore the great grandfather of Francis West, Esq. of Virginia.

That Francis West of Duxbury was a son of the De La Warr Wests has been largely dismissed. Francis West of Virginia and his wife Margaret were removed as the parents of Francis West of Duxbury on this profile in June 2020. Francis West of Virginia was dropped from the Jamestowne Society's list of Qualifying Ancestors because "primary records do not exist as far as we know for his children".

Richardson[8] states that Francis West of Virginia had a son Francis. Francis West of Virginia married his first wife before 1625/6. He would have been 40 years old in 1626 so presumably his marriage could have been as early as 1606 when he was 20 years old. The 1606 birth date for Francis of Duxbury is approximate and there are no known records of his birth.

Francis of Virginia left a will that was dated 17 December, 1629[9] and in it he refers to his son Francis as being under 21 years, making his son's birth year after about 1608, not that different from the 1606 approximate birth date of Francis of Duxbury. The will was proven on 28 April 1634.

Carlton Prince West, in his 1987 manuscript "A Survey of the Descendants of Francis West of Duxbury" extensively discusses whether or not Francis West of Duxbury was a son of the De La Warr Wests of Salisbury. He begins by saying that no proof from any primary source has been found.[10]

Other points in the manuscript are:

Francis West of Virginia did visit New England in 1623 to investigate a dispute over fisheries, but there is no evidence that the visit led to further associations.[10]
It is unlikely that the son of a prominent family in a "landed society" would have become a carpenter, or would have taken on any kind of trade.[10]
Even though no proof from any primary source has been found to establish a connection between Francis of Duxbury and Francis of Virginia, there is also no proof that a connection is impossible.[10]

The 1987 manuscript also discusses, among other things, the issues of the birthplace of Francis West, whether he was a West or a Weston, and the origins of his wife, Margery Reeves.[10]

'Great Migration Directory p 365: West, Francis: Unknown; 1640; Duxbury [PCR 1:164; DuTR 1; NEHGR 60:142; Martha’s Vineyard Hist 2:Tisbury:25-27, 3:500-8].

Sources

  1. 1.0 1.1 1.2 1.3 1.4 1.5 1.6 Mack, Stanley L., comp."Ancestors of Ruth (West) Cartwright" in Edward Cartwright (1640-1705) of Nantucket, Mass. Duluth, MN: 1936, p. 7. HathiTrust
  2. Plymouth Colony, U.S., Birth, Marriage, Death and Burial Records, 1633-1689. [database on-line] Lehi, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc. Ancestry.com, Ancestry.com
  3. Torrey, Clarence A. New England Marriages Prior to 1700. Baltimore, MD, USA: Genealogical Publishing Co., 2004. Page 796 Ancestry.com, Ancestry.com
  4. 4.0 4.1 4.2 4.3 4.4 4.5 Cornwall, Edward E. "Francis West of Duxbury, Mass., and some of his Descendants". Boston: NEHGS, 1906, p. 3. Archive.org
  5. "Massachusetts, Plymouth County, Probate Records, 1633-1967," images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-997D-JDQV : 20 March 2023), Probate records 1686-1702 and 1849-1867 vol 1-1F > image 88 of 490; State Archives, Boston.
  6. West, Joseph A. Francis West of Duxbury, Mass., and Some of His Ancestors and Descendants, Including the Descendants of Chauncey Walker West, Late of Ogden, Utah, and Abraham H. Hoagland, Late of Salt Lake City, Utah. Ogden, Utah: [s.n.], 1911. pages 18 - 27 (digital pages) HathiTrust
  7. Wikipedia article, Anne Knollys, Baroness de la Warr
  8. Richardson, Douglas. Royal Ancestry, A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, Volume ?, page ?
  9. Douglas Richardson. Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 5 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham, (Salt Lake City, UT: the author, 2013), vol. V, page 356 WEST 15.iv., Francis West, Esq.
  10. 10.0 10.1 10.2 10.3 10.4 West, Carlton Prince. A Survey of the Descendants of Francis West of Duxbury. Winston-Salem, NC: 1987. Vineyard.net
See also:
  • West, Curtis. Searching for Francis West. St. Paul MN: Whistling Shade (journal), 2006. Whistlingshade.com Also shown in the images for this profile.
  • Find a Grave, database and images (accessed 9 October 2022), memorial page for Francis West (1608–2 Jan 1692), Find A Grave: Memorial #25354234, citing South Yard Cemetery, Tolland, Tolland County, Connecticut, USA; Maintained by C & N Rasmussen (contributor 46971876) .
  • Banks, Charles Edward. The History of Martha’s Vineyard, Dukes County, Massachusetts. Boston: G.H. Dean, 1911. page 25. (page 488 in the digital version) Archive.org
  • Jones, Electa F., "Ancestry of the Jones Family, Stockbridge, Mass." The New England Historical & Genealogical Register. Boston: Thomas Prince, Printer and Publisher (1852) Pages 279-282. (The page numbers were misprinted, as 279, 280, 277, 278, 279, 280, 281, and 282. Francis West is mentioned near the bottom of the second page numbered as 280.) Archive.org.




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Inventory, will, of John West of Salisbury, Wiltshire, Bellows Maker. 1667. P4/1667/3. Wiltshire and Swindon History Centre.

His executor was "John West sonne of Francis West my sonne". Francis West was one of the Overseers. Hence, they are in England.

posted by Steve Hunt
For information. In 1625, the wife of John West, bellows-maker, of Salisbury, was a bonelace-maker.

Poverty in Early Stuart Salisbury. Wiltshire Records Society, Vol. 31, 1975, p 68

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/6229e984718e915edd91ce38/t/62d548d28480c860280a2586/1658144985220/wrs_v31.pdf

Also a John Weste was recorded in 1635 - see p 97.

posted by Steve Hunt
Just for reference.

A Francis Weste was baptised on 5 Dec 1622 at Salisbury St Edmund, Wiltshire, son of John Weste, Billows maker.

posted by Steve Hunt
Though it is possible that this was the Francis West of this profile and he married very young in 1639, it does seem unlikely that the approximate birth year of 1606 given by his great grandson, Zebulon West, would have been more than about 10 years off -- and in this case it would be 16 years off.

Does anyone know if the original writings of Zebulon West exist anywhere?

posted by J. West
See Will 1634 for a transcript of the will of Francis West Esq., 1634.
posted by Steve Hunt
The Founders and Patriots of America Index (1975) lists Francis of Duxbury's birth year as 1616 not 1606. So he would have been 13 when Capt. Francis West drew his will. That fits.

Also (as some others have noted), I find it hard to believe that Capt. Francis West waited until the age of 40 to get married and until 41 to have his first child, especially in those days where a lot of men would have died by then. Does anyone know why it is disputed that Margaret Whitney, daughter of Sir Thomas Whitney and Mary Ann Brock, married Capt. Francis West in 1602 and died in March 1628?

That all fits with the narrative of Francis West of Duxbury that has been in writing since the early 20th century. In Francis West of Duxbury, Mass and Some of His Ancestors and Descendants (1911) there's an account that in 1632, Capt. Francis West bought large tracts of land in Duxbury (which tracks the historical record of his appointment as Admiral to New England in 1622), and that his son came over from England to take possession of the land and marry Margery Reeves. There are supposedly tax records of the purchases.

Both the will and this narrative can be correct at the same time. The will was drafted in 1629, four years before Capt. Francis West was said to have bought the land in Duxbury. The will didn’t say that his wife Jane was currently raising Francis II, so it’s entirely possible that this was the father’s plan for Francis II who was still in England after his mother had died the year before, but that when Francis I bought the land he changed his mind as to where he wanted Francis II to relocate. Maybe Francis II was staying with family in England in the interim, who knows?

It'd be great to get DNA evidence, but even without it I don't find the disputing sources convincing. Even on such matters disputing whether a member of the gentry could have learned a trade such as carpentry, there are sources on apprenticeships stating that this was possible, for example: https://www.familysearch.org/en/wiki/Apprenticeship_in_England.

posted by B Williams
edited by B Williams
While I have enjoyed seeing the Wikitree connections, I really don't figure I can bet my life on it. I have been tested (BigY 700 FTDNA) but have no idea how to use the results. Testing the relationship between West-420 and West-5244 (me). Resulted in the following; Relationships are based on shared ancestry. The first common ancestor we found for Francis West Esq. (1586-bef.1634) and William West Jr. is Katherine (Pabenham) Aylesbury (abt.1372-1436).

To name the relationship we first had to name the relationship between Francis and Catherine and the relationship between William and Catherine. See the relationship trails above for the details. We then found the intersection of their relationships to Catherine on a relationship table. This gives us the name for the relationship: Francis and William are 7th cousins 9 times removed.

I do have a 2nd West line (Matthew West) coming from Aylesbury but is not my Paternal West line. This Line comes to me through marriage to my Paternal Grandmothers lineage. Ha! I may be my own Cousin!?

posted by William West Jr.
edited by William West Jr.
New to this. What DNA link are you looking for? Im a descendant of Frances West of Duxbury through Thomas. Is there any new information?
posted by Melaney West
edited by Melaney West
Francis West was dropped from the Jamestowne Society's list of Qualifying Ancestors because "primary records do not exist as far as we know for his children". See Jamestowne.org. Richardson states that Francis West-420 had a son Francis, but whether he married and had children is not proved. Regardless, Francis West-420 married his first wife by 1625 ... almost 2 decades after the birth of this Francis. Also, son Francis was under age 21 when his father's will was proved in 1634 (so son Francis was born after 1613).

See Virginia Immigrants and Adventurers page 735 for other Francis Wests (Google Books). I suggest detaching the parents of this Francis West.

posted by Traci Thiessen
edited by Traci Thiessen
Replied on G2G
posted by Traci Thiessen
I remain convinced Francis II was indeed the son of Francis and Margaret Stitts. It all fits. He was born the year after the parents were married. His wife/lover Margaret Reeves was from Isle of Wyte, Va. But he belongs to the Plymouth Colony (to their embarrassment) and not to Jamestowne. He apparently visited, but did not stay beyond discovering Miss Reeves. Traci, I'll try to send you a pdf. I have no clue how to post it.
posted by Richard Draper
Richard, he was born twenty years before his current parents' marriage. And there is no data about his wife's origins. Your pdf must contain different info than what's on these profiles. You can upload it as an image. Click on Images tab and follow the instructions. PDFs are allowed.
posted by Jillaine Smith
I don't want to muddy the waters by posting the pdf as part of the files. By itself, it doesn't prove anything totally. But it is interesting and it fits. I wanted some of you to see it. I'll post it. It can always be taken down later. My records show Francis, Sr. and Margaret Stitts as married in 1605 and having a son Francis Jr. in 1606. Apparently, there is a lot of garbled data on Margaret. Some files have her married to completely different people. However, the thread holds the way I have it. Francis, Sr. married Temperence Flowerdew in 1628 and later that year, he married Jane Davye - according to Wikipedia records. (I didn't have those.) I think the dates and the people are probably mixed up. But, currently, I don't have the free time to really get into the discussion. I'll just check in to see how it is going.
posted by Richard Draper
Richardson states that Francis West of Virginia had a son Francis. Francis West of Virginia married his first wife before 1625/6. He would have been 40 years old in 1626 so presumably his marriage could have been as early as 1606 when he was 20 years old. The 1606 birth date for Francis of Duxbury is approximate and there are no known records of his birth.

Francis of Virginia left a will that was dated 17 December 1629 and in it he refers to his son Francis as being under 21 years, making his son's birth year after about 1608, not that different from the 1606 approximate birth date of Francis of Duxbury.

posted by J. West
edited by J. West
Since we have no proof that Francis West is the son of Gov. Francis West and Margaret (Stitts) West, can you Please remove them as his parents? Its messes up wikitree's Relationship finder algorithm for myself and everyone else descended from Francis West. Thank you for your help on this.
posted by Nathan Pyles
WikiTree itself doesn't help matters much when it emails its purported degrees of separation - in my case, 17 degrees from Henry VIII via the West family. As if this were established fact. Gov. Francis West, b.1586, m.1605 Marjorie Stitts in Salisbury, son Francis West Esq. b.1606 - d.1692. But in 1609 Gov. F. is in Va., yet his son emigrates from Salisbury to Plymouth as a young man? Marjorie m. to the Gov. 1605-23, then to Edward Blaney 1623-26 in Jamestown - yet the Gov's biography says he m. the widow Margaret BLANEY bef.1626 & had a son Francis! Well, now I know I married my (probable) distant cousin, who has a 500-page West family history w/ index & family trees, & it says young Francis' dates are 1626-1692. Argh! I've done DNA - how do I use it in this situation? 17º - really?
posted by William LeGro
William, I see that nobody responded to your question about how to use your DNA results in this situation, so I offer my assessment. Since your surname is LeGro, I am assuming you are trying to use your autosomal DNA results in lieu of Y or mitochondrial DNA, and if that is the case, then the distance between Francis West and you are just too far apart. Francis West (d 1692) is one of 9th great-grandfathers, so I would expect his at least your 9th GGF, if not 10th or later. That means your autosomal DNA is simply too diluted to used DNA triangulation or any other type of matching process. If you have a direct Y-DNA lineage, which normally means direct West surname from you to him, then Y-DNA test results could be possible. And, if your mother had a direct line to Francis via maternal lines the entire way back to Francis or his mother, then mitochondrial results would be helpful. Otherwise, we are just too far removed from Francis West and his wife. In summary, autosomal DNA can be used for going back 8 generations at the most for autosomal tests (ie what you normally get via Ancestry, etc).
posted by Garald Robinson
My earlier response is applicable to other people who have asked about using their DNA results, also.
posted by Garald Robinson
edited by Garald Robinson
I've managed to make contact with a living male direct descendant of Francis. Apparently, he's already taken a DNA test through Ancestry. Now, if we can find a direct male descendant of Thomas or John, we might be able to get somewhere.
posted by Greg Slade
I am super new to this site, but it sounds like as a descendent of Francis West, it could be helpful if I had a DNA test? If so, where is the best place to get this test and how do I share the results?
posted by Cynthia Alby
In theory, I descend from both. However, I also descend from Nathaniel and my Haplog group is for Draper, not West. It needs to be a direct West descendant - and even that may not be conclusive. One of the hazards of growing up with colonial ancestry and being born near those roots is that everybody had cross-kin of some sort. There just weren't that many choices way back!
posted by Richard Draper
I may also have some cousins descended in the male line. I'll need to do some searching to see if I can find living West descendants of my great-grandfather West.

The question is, is there anyone who is known to be descended from West-420 (or his father) to whom we could compare the results?

posted by Greg Slade
Greg, I don't think we should do that. As noted, there are at least three possibilities for Francis West. The search is ongoing. However, to this point, the only one with any ancestral linkage that I know of is to the Francis of Virginia and to Thomas, Lord De la Ware. So, let us preserve that link for now. DNA may - or may not - eventually prove conclusive. When I was working this line, I remember there being some good arguments for how the father ended up in one colony and the son in another. So, I have connected the lines, but noted the other possibilities in my own records. In the meantime, there is a Curtis West in Minnesota that should have the right DNA. Maybe some day he can help us out. http://www.whistlingshade.com/0603/francis_west.html
posted by Richard Draper
my dad is a direct male descendant of this line.
posted by Melaney West
Since the connection is so dubious, can we please disconnect West-420 and Stitts-4 as the parents of Francis West?
posted by Greg Slade

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